Protect IP Act (PIPA - S.968) and Stop Online Privacy Act (SOPA – H.R.3261) and all that Megaupload

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Something just crossed my mind. Do you think this will effect file sharing sites like media fire? That would completely invalidate the multimedia section. That'd be a serious bummer. correct me if I'm wrong, but file sharing websites are legal, as long as you own the file? I never download songs illegally cause I like the artists to get paid, but I do download unreleased stuff there every now and again, and it seems like with SOPA they could shut it down right?

I don't know very much about this subject (I'm not a big Internet fan), but I seems like people could, in theory, use this for selfish gain, such as blocking a competitors website or someone blocking news that would affect there campaign or something. Am I correct in thinking this? Like I said, I don't really follow politics....
 

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Anyway, SOPA didn't pass thanks to the White House's statements and the public getting behind their government and more and more people not allowing themselves to be pushed over by corporations flashing money. PIPA won't pass either.
I think it's funny you actually believe corporations can bribe the government when it's the government that prints the money and has the power to tax.
 

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I don't know very much about this subject (I'm not a big Internet fan), but I seems like people could, in theory, use this for selfish gain, such as blocking a competitors website or someone blocking news that would affect there campaign or something. Am I correct in thinking this? Like I said, I don't really follow politics....
You're right,

And this is precisely why it's being done. Music/Movie downloaders are considered to be "cheating", in a similar way to how Automobile manufacturers were "cheating" the horse-and-buggy companies.

Technology changes things, and these corporations haven't accepted that. They need to adopt new business models, but they refuse to do it, so they're using the government and propaganda.

One possible alternative is for artists to simply ditch all the middle-men and accept donations online, a la Radiohead.
 

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I think it's funny you actually believe corporations can bribe the government when it's the government that prints the money and has the power to tax.
Once again, you do your trademark "ignore everything else and only respond to 1 line" move.

Anyway, you view government be this single entity that does everything and everything effects it. This is not true. There are many branches of government and many of them have very little to do with one another.

I think it's funny that you won't accept the fact that every piece of anti-piracy legislation that has been either passed or voted for has been solely paid for and lobbied for by the entertainment industry. You just ignore this and act like all branches of the government want to destroy the internet - which is total bullshit. The White House has made numerous official statements saying they don't support it and the majority of congress don't support it either.

Corporations aren't bribing "THE GOVERNMENT!" corporations are "sponsoring" members of congress with multi millions of dollars to co-sign anti piracy legislation. It's simple really. Every member of congress who voted for SOPA was sponsored and funded by a traditional media company.

And you just can't see the connection here.

It's not rocket science buddy.


Oh wait, you just posted this:


Technology changes things, and these corporations haven't accepted that. They need to adopt new business models, but they refuse to do it, so they're using the government and propaganda.

So it seems you do agree with me now. cool.
 

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Something just crossed my mind. Do you think this will effect file sharing sites like media fire? That would completely invalidate the multimedia section. That'd be a serious bummer. correct me if I'm wrong, but file sharing websites are legal, as long as you own the file? I never download songs illegally cause I like the artists to get paid, but I do download unreleased stuff there every now and again, and it seems like with SOPA they could shut it down right?
Yes!

Megaupload was shut down this week. Regardless of whether any of it's users were doing legit stuff. But let's face it many file sites like that are shady.

The people running Megaupload made millions and like the original Napster people, were idiots. If they policed their own sites then they would still be up and the many users who use them in a legit way could still have access.

Napster was great for Live music recorded by fans but they never removed the official albums. So a great thing was lost.
If Napster had changed they might have made friends with artists and the record industry - more importantly artists. In the same way YouTube could have readdressed their site before Viacom brought their legal action.

R.E.M. used to have an agreement with fan sites that they could have a sharing hub for live concerts - fan recorded stuff as long as they didn't have official albums in it.

Napster could have been like that for all artists and it could have had loads of ads that gave revenue to every artist who used it.

I would say the Multimedia section of this site would be something to be readdressed if SOPA passed with little change to it. Especially because SOPA targets foreign non-US websites that host links to US content (US TV appearances). And the "we're fans and only want to watch it" reply to them won't be listened to.
Of course the thing on this sites side is a good relationship with the band. As in, you'd hope you could talk to your band contacts and work out solutions and they'd help in the process. If the need arises.
 

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Cyberlocker Ecosystem Shocked As Big Players Take Drastic Action

In the wake of last week’s Megaupload shutdown, some of the biggest names in the market are taking drastic action. During the last 48 hours many sites have completely withdrawn their systems for paying uploaders when their files are shared with others, but one of the most dramatic moves came first from Filesonic and today Fileserve. Both services now forbid people from downloading any files they didn’t upload themselves.

While the shutdown last week of Megaupload and the arrest of its founder and management team was certainly dramatic, a situation of perhaps even greater gravity is beginning to emerge.

Over the past 48 to 72 hours, the operators of many prominent cyberlocker services have been taking unprecedented actions that can not simply be explained away by mere coincidence. The details in the Megaupload indictment clearly have some players in the file-hosting world spooked.

One of the key allegations is that between 2005 and mid 2011, Megaupload ran a program that rewarded users for uploading infringing material. A cited internal email allegedly shows staff members discussing cash payments going to people uploading “full popular DVD rips” and “software with keygenerators (Warez)”.

Although Megaupload stopped paying out rewards in July 2011, that didn’t stop the site from getting raided. Other cyberlocker services are clearly hoping they will be more lucky.

Last evening Filesonic, a top 10 player in the file-sharing world with a billion pageviews a month, not only withdrew its affiliate rewards program, but also banned any third parties downloading files. Simply put, users can now only download files from the service that they uploaded themselves.

But according to reports, there’s no guarantee of that. Account owners report that their files are being mass deleted, that’s if their entire account has been banned already.

Fileserve, another leading player, also ended its affiliate program this weekend. Additionally, this morning TorrentFreak received news that Fileserve has now joined Filesonic in banning all 3rd party downloads.



“I just paid for a premium account and can now only download my own fucking files an unlimited number of times,” said one angry user. “What use is that?”

Other users of Fileserve are experiencing an even further degraded level of service. Reports describe mass deletion of their uploads and the banning of accounts on apparent ‘Terms of Service’ violations.



But the changes at these two services appears to be just the tip of a very big and very complex iceberg. Developments at other file-hosting services are widespread.

As previously reported, Uploaded.to banned all US IP addresses in what appears to be an effort to distance itself from US jurisdiction. Its affiliate program is still listed as operational but the same cannot be said about those run by some of its competitors.

VideoBB and VideoZer have both reportedly closed their rewards program and according to reports have also been mass deleting accounts and huge numbers of files.

Other sites closing their affiliate programs and/or deleting accounts/files include FileJungle, UploadStation and FilePost.





Another interesting development involves so-called ‘release blogs’, sites that report on leaked material but either provide links to the material on cyberlockers or allow their users to do the same. The number of overall releases hasn’t changed much but the links currently being posted on some of these sites show less variety and volume than they did this time last week.

Update: Smaller host UploadBox calls it quits. “All files will be deleted on January 30th. Feel free to download the files you store with UploadBox until this date.”

Update2: Another host, x7.to, shuts down.



Update 3: TorrentFreak has seen evidence that on request PayPal is refunding cash paid to Filesonic over the weekend.

Update 4: FileJungle and UploadStation have disabled all 3rd party downloads.

Update 5: 4shared cancels affiilate program.

http://torrentfreak.com/cyberlocker-ecosystem-shocked-as-big-players-take-drastic-action-120123/
 

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I wonder how many jobs were destroyed because of this.
 

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I better go download everything in the Multimedia section....like now.:confused:

Edit: Wait, are these American sites? I know it's an American law, but will other countries lose out too? In other words, can you still use filesonic over in Europe?
 

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They're american sites but they'll be shut down for the whole world (I'm in NZ and can't use FS)

also, this is interesting. (wish it had proper figures, but it's pretty accurate)
 

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I better go download everything in the Multimedia section....like now.:confused:

Edit: Wait, are these American sites? I know it's an American law, but will other countries lose out too? In other words, can you still use filesonic over in Europe?
Nope. It's actually got less to do with the USA and more to do with the profit that media companies make. They want more profit everywhere - so they shut down websites and prevent them from operating everywhere. They do this by targeting US operated sites so the owners themselves can't continue to run the site.

That's what is so annoying about the whole issues - these corporations are using the US government to make decisions internally, when in reality it effects everyone outside of the US too.

But don't worry about PIPA. ACTA is far worse and that is an international legislation that most of Europe are getting ready to sign.

In short: We're fucked unless people keep reacting like they did to SOPA. That's our only chance. If people start to simmer down and get over it then they'll strike.
 

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just coming to post this... I read it somewhere else too...



Why was MegaUpload really shut down?

In December of 2011, just weeks before the takedown, Digital Music News reported on something new that the creators of #Megaupload were about to unroll. Something that would rock the music industry to its core. (http://goo.gl/A7wUZ)

I present to you... MegaBox. MegaBox was going to be an alternative music store that was entirely cloud-based and offered artists a better money-making opportunity than they would get with any record label.

"UMG knows that we are going to compete with them via our own music venture called Megabox.com, a site that will soon allow artists to sell their creations directly to consumers while allowing artists to keep 90 percent of earnings," MegaUpload founder Kim 'Dotcom' Schmitz told Torrentfreak

Not only did they plan on allowing artists to keep 90% of their earnings on songs that they sold, they wanted to pay them for songs they let users download for free.

"We have a solution called the Megakey that will allow artists to earn income from users who download music for free," Dotcom outlined. "Yes that's right, we will pay artists even for free downloads. The Megakey business model has been tested with over a million users and it works."

https://plus.google.com/u/0/111314089359991626869/posts/HQJxDRiwAWq
 

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Here's a commentary

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R-IXyigeCI"]#MEGABOX - The Real Reason #MEGAUPLOAD Was Taken Down?! - YouTube[/ame]
 
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