Latin American Tour 2013 [CANCELLED - GENERAL DISCUSSION HERE] - Page 24

fakfak · 17-11-2012, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TracieMorgan;5464563
Yup, I hear that. I know what it's like to be an honest promoter doing small-time shows, and I dind't have my $%1i straight half the time,lol. And 'hones' doesn't always describe the big guys in the business...

Actually as much as the mega giants like LiveNation are (rightly) maligned, a huge factor in their rise is that they were/are able to offer large tours a more simplified and professional touring experience when compared to many of the "mom and pop's" that used to be industry standard.

TracieMorgan · 17-11-2012, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by fakfak;5464567
Actually as much as the mega giants like LiveNation are (rightly) maligned, a huge factor in their rise is that they were/are able to offer large tours a more simplified and professional touring experience when compared to many of the "mom and pop's" that used to be industry standard.

AAbsoluteley. I'm just saying the 'Mom and Pop's' motives wereoften (though not always) more altruistic. The small potatoes that I know just want to put good music out there. If I'd been in it to make big bucks, I wouldn't have given up broke a few years ago,lol.

JM-SP2 · 17-11-2012, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by fakfak;5464229
Even if it's not the same promoter, issues with one promoter (leading to the cancelization of some dates) could potential screw up the logistics/economics of the entire tour, and seeing as how nothing's gone on sale yet, in those circumstances, postponing all the dates may have been the most feasible option.

exactly. T4F is the company that is promoting the South America shows. This whole situation is very weird. Why the announcement this close to the dates? Last time they did almost 6 months in advance.

Lore · 17-11-2012, 02:06 PM

According to T4F Chile, they'll announce the new dates soon, so it's not a problem with the concert producers. I think it was a schedule problem, maybe they need to add new dates or change venues. It is true that Lady Gaga's concerts didn't sell that well but it's different with coldplay, they have a bigger audience here

Marcos Morcelli · 17-11-2012, 02:10 PM

we can only wait...

PopArtist · 17-11-2012, 03:25 PM

The Grammys are February 10...maybe they just learned they'd be playing or it was whispered to them that they really should be there?

carp93 · 17-11-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PopArtist;5465165
The Grammys are February 10...maybe they just learned they'd be playing or it was whispered to them that they really should be there?

That could be a very good reason!!

Haruka · 17-11-2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PopArtist;5465165
The Grammys are February 10...maybe they just learned they'd be playing or it was whispered to them that they really should be there?

uhm, but Coldplay aren't on the pre-nominations list.... so the only reason is to perform there, perhaps a new single. I still doubt this is the motive of postponing, Grammy performances are mostly of artists/bands who released something on the year before

PopArtist · 17-11-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Haruka;5465201
uhm, but Coldplay aren't on the pre-nominations list.... so the only reason is to perform there, perhaps a new single. I still doubt this is the motive of postponing, Grammy performances are mostly of artists/bands who released something on the year before

Mylo Xyloto was released in October 2011 so it is in the last year in Grammy terms (October 1 - September 30). What is this pre-nominations list, never heard of it - unless it is the eligibility list, in which case they are certainly eligible.

EDIT: OK, I see there are pre-nominations (learn something new every day!), but don't see it published anywhere, just a few artists saying they are.

Haruka · 17-11-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PopArtist;5465208

EDIT: OK, I see there are pre-nominations (learn something new every day!), but don't see it published anywhere, just a few artists saying they are.

I found out 'bout that list here: http://www.bcharts.com.br/index.php/...o-grammy-2013/

sorry, I don't have it translated for english

the final list, I think, will be released in december

PopArtist · 17-11-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Haruka;5465330
I found out 'bout that list here: http://www.bcharts.com.br/index.php/...o-grammy-2013/

sorry, I don't have it translated for english
the final list, I think, will be released in december

Ah, OK, thanks - don't think that list is complete though, it looks like that is just some of them, so I would bet that CP is still in the running for noms.

Haruka · 17-11-2012, 05:22 PM

^ yep, most names on that list are pop artists... CP and Muse should be nominated for best rock [video/record/band]

podiumboy · 17-11-2012, 10:58 PM

If they get nominated for some Grammys, then we'll know that's the reason for the postponement. Maybe they will do a short US leg Jan/Feb, then do SA/Mexico in March/April. I hope this is the case, for myself here in Ohio, and for those of you who are directly affected by this postponement.

Gastypm · 17-11-2012, 11:30 PM

It seems a good reason, as PopArtist said, Mylo Xyloto could be nominated because it was released between the Grammy's terms. There's another reason of postponing the tour: in Argentina there are some porblems in taking dollars out of the country, that was the reason they postponed Rock In Rio 2013 in Buenos Aires.

It may sound a bit selfish but I'm so happy they postponed the tour because I wouldn't be able to go in February so if it is in March/April it would be awesome!

carp93 · 17-11-2012, 11:42 PM

Yeah, and besides.. if it isn't cancelled, we would have more time to collect the money for the tickets

!!! Time for fun is specialist when charging high prices D:

17-11-2012, 02:46 AM	#346
fakfak Coldplayer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,914 My Mood: Location: Illinois Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 142 Thanked 94 Times in 79 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by TracieMorgan;5464563 Yup, I hear that. I know what it's like to be an honest promoter doing small-time shows, and I dind't have my $%1i straight half the time,lol. And 'hones' doesn't always describe the big guys in the business... Actually as much as the mega giants like LiveNation are (rightly) maligned, a huge factor in their rise is that they were/are able to offer large tours a more simplified and professional touring experience when compared to many of the "mom and pop's" that used to be industry standard.

17-11-2012, 02:52 AM	#347
TracieMorgan Biggest JONNY fan 2012 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 31,713 Location: Playing the drums very badly, and the bass even worse. Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 965 Thanked 808 Times in 531 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by fakfak;5464567 Actually as much as the mega giants like LiveNation are (rightly) maligned, a huge factor in their rise is that they were/are able to offer large tours a more simplified and professional touring experience when compared to many of the "mom and pop's" that used to be industry standard. AAbsoluteley. I'm just saying the 'Mom and Pop's' motives wereoften (though not always) more altruistic. The small potatoes that I know just want to put good music out there. If I'd been in it to make big bucks, I wouldn't have given up broke a few years ago,lol. __________________ www.myspace.com/howweseetheworld www.facebook.com/traciemorgan www.facebook.com/traciemorganmusic http://twitter.com/TracieMorgan *"That was the day I was almost murdered by a sheep." - Jonny Buckland*

17-11-2012, 03:47 AM	#348
JM-SP2 Life is for Living Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 586 My Mood: Location: There There Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 14 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by fakfak;5464229 Even if it's not the same promoter, issues with one promoter (leading to the cancelization of some dates) could potential screw up the logistics/economics of the entire tour, and seeing as how nothing's gone on sale yet, in those circumstances, postponing all the dates may have been the most feasible option. exactly. T4F is the company that is promoting the South America shows. This whole situation is very weird. Why the announcement this close to the dates? Last time they did almost 6 months in advance.

17-11-2012, 03:54 PM	#352
carp93 Coldplayer Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 8 My Mood: Location: Santiago Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by PopArtist;5465165 The Grammys are February 10...maybe they just learned they'd be playing or it was whispered to them that they really should be there? That could be a very good reason!!

17-11-2012, 04:01 PM	#353
Haruka cartoon hearted Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 704 My Mood: Location: Rio de Janeiro Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 126 Thanked 32 Times in 23 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by PopArtist;5465165 The Grammys are February 10...maybe they just learned they'd be playing or it was whispered to them that they really should be there? uhm, but Coldplay aren't on the pre-nominations list.... so the only reason is to perform there, perhaps a new single. I still doubt this is the motive of postponing, Grammy performances are mostly of artists/bands who released something on the year before __________________ 02-28-10 Coldplay and Bat 4 Lashes @ Apoteose, Rio de Janeiro 11-20-10 Mika and Hot Chip @ Planeta Terra Festival, São Paulo 04-13-11 U2 and Muse @ Morumbi stadium, São Paulo 09-24-11 Red Hot Chili Peppers, Snow Patrow @ Rock in Rio 4, Rio de Janeiro 10-01-11 Coldplay and Maroon 5 @ Rock in Rio 4, Rio de Janeiro 04-30-12 The Ting Tings @ Circo Voador, Rio de Janeiro 11-09-12 Lady Gaga and The Darkness @ Parque dos Atletas, Rio de Janeiro

17-11-2012, 02:06 PM	#349
Lore Coldplayer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 53,460 My Mood: Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 8 Thanked 31 Times in 28 Posts	According to T4F Chile, they'll announce the new dates soon, so it's not a problem with the concert producers. I think it was a schedule problem, maybe they need to add new dates or change venues. It is true that Lady Gaga's concerts didn't sell that well but it's different with coldplay, they have a bigger audience here

17-11-2012, 02:10 PM	#350
Marcos Morcelli Marcos Morcelli Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 13 Location: São Paulo Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	we can only wait...

17-11-2012, 03:25 PM	#351
PopArtist Coldplayer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 37 Location: Brooklyn, NY Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	The Grammys are February 10...maybe they just learned they'd be playing or it was whispered to them that they really should be there?

17-11-2012, 04:11 PM	#354
PopArtist Coldplayer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 37 Location: Brooklyn, NY Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Haruka;5465201 uhm, but Coldplay aren't on the pre-nominations list.... so the only reason is to perform there, perhaps a new single. I still doubt this is the motive of postponing, Grammy performances are mostly of artists/bands who released something on the year before Mylo Xyloto was released in October 2011 so it is in the last year in Grammy terms (October 1 - September 30). What is this pre-nominations list, never heard of it - unless it is the eligibility list, in which case they are certainly eligible. EDIT: OK, I see there are pre-nominations (learn something new every day!), but don't see it published anywhere, just a few artists saying they are.

17-11-2012, 05:07 PM	#355
Haruka cartoon hearted Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 704 My Mood: Location: Rio de Janeiro Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 126 Thanked 32 Times in 23 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by PopArtist;5465208 EDIT: OK, I see there are pre-nominations (learn something new every day!), but don't see it published anywhere, just a few artists saying they are. I found out 'bout that list here: http://www.bcharts.com.br/index.php/...o-grammy-2013/ sorry, I don't have it translated for english the final list, I think, will be released in december __________________ 02-28-10 Coldplay and Bat 4 Lashes @ Apoteose, Rio de Janeiro 11-20-10 Mika and Hot Chip @ Planeta Terra Festival, São Paulo 04-13-11 U2 and Muse @ Morumbi stadium, São Paulo 09-24-11 Red Hot Chili Peppers, Snow Patrow @ Rock in Rio 4, Rio de Janeiro 10-01-11 Coldplay and Maroon 5 @ Rock in Rio 4, Rio de Janeiro 04-30-12 The Ting Tings @ Circo Voador, Rio de Janeiro 11-09-12 Lady Gaga and The Darkness @ Parque dos Atletas, Rio de Janeiro

17-11-2012, 05:12 PM	#356
PopArtist Coldplayer Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 37 Location: Brooklyn, NY Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Haruka;5465330 I found out 'bout that list here: http://www.bcharts.com.br/index.php/...o-grammy-2013/ sorry, I don't have it translated for english the final list, I think, will be released in december Ah, OK, thanks - don't think that list is complete though, it looks like that is just some of them, so I would bet that CP is still in the running for noms.

17-11-2012, 05:22 PM	#357
Haruka cartoon hearted Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 704 My Mood: Location: Rio de Janeiro Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 126 Thanked 32 Times in 23 Posts	^ yep, most names on that list are pop artists... CP and Muse should be nominated for best rock [video/record/band] __________________ 02-28-10 Coldplay and Bat 4 Lashes @ Apoteose, Rio de Janeiro 11-20-10 Mika and Hot Chip @ Planeta Terra Festival, São Paulo 04-13-11 U2 and Muse @ Morumbi stadium, São Paulo 09-24-11 Red Hot Chili Peppers, Snow Patrow @ Rock in Rio 4, Rio de Janeiro 10-01-11 Coldplay and Maroon 5 @ Rock in Rio 4, Rio de Janeiro 04-30-12 The Ting Tings @ Circo Voador, Rio de Janeiro 11-09-12 Lady Gaga and The Darkness @ Parque dos Atletas, Rio de Janeiro

17-11-2012, 10:58 PM	#358
podiumboy Coldplayer Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 34 Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If they get nominated for some Grammys, then we'll know that's the reason for the postponement. Maybe they will do a short US leg Jan/Feb, then do SA/Mexico in March/April. I hope this is the case, for myself here in Ohio, and for those of you who are directly affected by this postponement.

17-11-2012, 11:30 PM	#359
Gastypm Coldplayer Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 13 Location: Esperanza, Santa Fe Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 2 Thanked 6 Times in 2 Posts	It seems a good reason, as PopArtist said, Mylo Xyloto could be nominated because it was released between the Grammy's terms. There's another reason of postponing the tour: in Argentina there are some porblems in taking dollars out of the country, that was the reason they postponed Rock In Rio 2013 in Buenos Aires. It may sound a bit selfish but I'm so happy they postponed the tour because I wouldn't be able to go in February so if it is in March/April it would be awesome!

17-11-2012, 11:42 PM	#360
carp93 Coldplayer Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 8 My Mood: Location: Santiago Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 2 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Yeah, and besides.. if it isn't cancelled, we would have more time to collect the money for the tickets !!! Time for fun is specialist when charging high prices D: