Quote:Originally Posted by para-para-parrotdies;4995634 Patrick Bruner, the Occupy Wall Street spokesman who earlier confirmed the concert, emails, “I got hoaxed. Radiohead was never confirmed. Completely our fault. Apologies. The band were victims in this hoax as well.”
Somehow this movement manages to lose even more credibility
What's so not credible about Occupy Wall Street?
I think ranking mishaps like this higher than what it is actually about isn't very meaningful, is it.
Quote:Originally Posted by Gautama;4996058 What's so not credible about Occupy Wall Street?
Because this is a Radiohead thread, I'm going to limit my response here:
I think I would take this movement a little more seriously if it wasn't led by a bunch of college kids with a college fund provided by both mom + dad. Or if they weren't wearing UrbanOutfitters/American Apparel clothing while protesting the injustice of capitalism. Or if they could articulate one goal of this movement without resorting to talking points like "fight against THE MAN." Or if the protestors actually demonstrate some understanding of basic economics and can explain their cause. Or if their idea of gathering support didn't consist of shouting "MIC CHECK" every 5 seconds. Or if their idea of protesting didn't resort to pounding on their drums like an idiot in front of a cop trying to do his job.
I actually live in the Tri-State area and stopped by their protest to listen to their cause. I left just 5 minutes later. It's a disgrace how disorganized they are - there's a reason why the mainstream media isn't covering this.... no one knows what the ultimate goal of this movement is. The residents of NYC also hold this view - they think the protestors are just a nuisance and a disruption to the city. And as any sociologist will tell you, if you can't even garner public support, your cause is as good as dead.
I want to make clear that this isn't about political ideology. It's more a reflection of how disorganized this entire movement is. And the entire thing with Radiohead is one example. One leader kept insisting the band will play @ 4pm while the person managing their official Twitter account said it was all a hoax. Where's the organization? Where's the leadership?
Staying on topic: Taped appearance on Jimmy Fallon this coming Monday. Thom + Jonny will play Give Up the Ghost.
I think I see your point, but beg to differ. Appearance (too posh as you say, too hobo, as I've heard other people say,
or low economic knowledge (could you name one person that truly understands and has solutions for what's going on economically on this planet?),
even those senseless/ridiculous actions (drumming at the cops, as if they had anything to do with it, or the mic thing (), are all due to the fact,
that this is just common people here. And I personally like what they are doing a lot, as ramshackle as it might be. Because they show responsibility, imo.
Btw, not all New Yorkers are simply annoyed, I know of at least three Manhattanites ( I know, that's a very representative amount ), who so far endorse OWS, though they are not taking part at this point. I want it to spread all over the earth, actually.
Anyway, I personally hope, it'll grow (even after the Occupy Brooklyn Bridge thing), but stay peaceful at all costs.
Here's something that I got on tumblr, it's very different from what you experienced, but I suppose that with the time, things have improved, non?
"I spent a few hours down there tonight.
The crowd is diverse, not as predominately young as I perceived from afar. They’re well organized, they have places set up for medics,
food, media, etc. The General Assembly hosts a wide variety of speakers, of all ages, gender, race and socio-economic background.
The crowd listens intently to the GA speaker, on the people’s mic, and they do call-and-response so those further back in the crowd
can hear the person who has been given the soapbox. This was a real honor to watch.
The folks down there are a lot more nuanced than how they’ve been portrayed. They’re not unsympathetic to the people who have to
make a living working for some of the corporations that led to the financial crisis, in fact there are some who spoke at General Assembly
tonight who work for or had worked for similar corporations. They’re pragmatic, they’re not anarchists. The whole process is surprisingly
organized and democractic. They’re working towards coming up with realistic action items. These people aren’t waiting for someone to save
them, they’re working towards how they can save themselves."
I was in NYC a few weeks back, and I saw these protestors running around. This is my opinion (short and simple): All these kids know is that college is more difficult to get into, more expensive once they attend, and more worthless when they get out. Perhaps they are not on point, but I understand their frustration.
This is the last I will say on this matter because I really don't want the thread to derail into a debate about Occupy Wall Street:
As the media correctly points out, no one understands what the ultimate goal of Occupy Wall Street is. How about some specific demands? A long-term strategy? So far the group, which generally defines itself as anti-greed, has none of those. "At a certain point, there's a valid criticism in people asking, 'What are you doing here?'" protester Chris Biemer, 23, said on Wednesday, Day 11 of the demonstration.
It's troubling to see that even on their own website, they describe itself as a "leaderless resistance movement." The posters in Zuccotti Park speak to the lack of a narrow platform: "End financial aid to Israel"; "End greed, end poverty, end war"; "No death penalty"; "Tired of racism." Where's the unifying goal? How are you supposed to gain public support or pass any reform if you don't even know what you stand for?
Until leaders step up and they're able to outline their goals, the movement appears to the outsider as a fractured movement composed of naive, entitled children. Just take a look at survey polls of NYC or the entire nation - a clear overwhelming majority oppose the protestors. And their little stunt on the Brooklyn Bridge won't help them gain public support either.
I want to reiterate once more that this isn't about politics - I actually do think some financial reform would be good for the global economy. However, this is a lost cause unless there are drastic changes are made in the structure of the movement and leaders step up. History has shown that youth can be a part of something great - just take a look at the Civil Rights Movement where college kids like Diane Nash + John Lewis were able to articulate their goals and strategies, leading to change for African Americans.