Guitarist Joe Satriani sues Coldplay for plagiarism - Page 13

valypan · 05-12-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chromeboy88;2671099
C'mon people.... Chord progressions are one thing, however when you listen to them mashed together on the YouTube link, you have to admit it is a clean ripoff of Joe's song. Dont badmouth the man, I am sure his record company is the one who made this happen. Just my take................

I am pretty sure the record company could not sue without consulting the artist first, but I might be wrong. As for the similarities, there are even more similarities between Satriani and that other spanish band, so it is not a clear rip off. It´s just a very simple widely-used chord progression...

valypan · 05-12-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by A RUSH OF VIDA;2671129
How do u guys know Coldplay has heard of him or even that song!.....Anything is possible so its possible that Coldplay didnt hear that song!.....I believe that they didnt cause like someone said with the Talk single they asked permissin and did all the legal things they needed to do so if they did hear that song why didnt they just ask the that guy if they could use it like they did with the song talk!..........What really pisses me off about the whole thing is that this guy had like 6 months to sue and he didnt and know hes doing it!......So that being said I THINK THE GUYS AN ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

I could not agree more, hence i think this thing will blow over very soon...and let´s cross our fingers for Coldplay snatching some of those 7 grammys

мaямellata · 05-12-2008, 11:22 PM

people actually signed up for the forum to protect this guy?

coldplay is way too big to do something as stupid as that.. because if it was intentional they must be pretty stupid to think that nobody would find out...

and really, i dont think that's the case.

so lets all chill and let this guy get his kicks from it, cuz we all know there is no way in hell he could win against the guys.

Chromeboy88 · 05-12-2008, 11:33 PM

Remember when John Fogerty had to defend one of his own songs that he had written back in the CCR days.... It was a hell of a fight as I remember..........

I just wish this was not happening. Coldplay are great artists... Satriani is a guitar god....

franZka · 05-12-2008, 11:34 PM

I think morpheus is right when he says Satriani just likes to play the guitar, and it's not his intention having attention. i downloaded the Satriani's song [ i liked it ! ] and I think there's few of similarity, but it doesn't mean Coldplay plagiarised the song to Satriani. All the time is possible that a band takes a rhythm of a song of another guys, when you listen a song much time you've got it in the deepest of your head, even to the musicians. Anyway, I'm a f***ing fan of Coldplay, I don't find plagiarism, I think this matter is no gonna go far, don't get annoyed and offend to Satriani, he's one of the best guitarists...

Just love Coldplay! =P

Tnspieler1012 · 05-12-2008, 11:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chromeboy88;2671099
C'mon people.... Chord progressions are one thing, however when you listen to them mashed together on the YouTube link, you have to admit it is a clean ripoff of Joe's song. Dont badmouth the man, I am sure his record company is the one who made this happen. Just my take................

Different chords, different key, different notes, different speed, different melody, different rythm. Whatever similarity there is is purely coincidental. I noticed in the you-tube comparison that they tamper with the audio speed and pitch to make it seem similar. If you tried you could probably find a dozen lesser known indie bands who came up with the same melody by pure accident (I'm mean it's essentially four or five notes), but they didn't write the biggest song in the world right now did they?

notlost92 · 05-12-2008, 11:45 PM

SHIT! My teacher mentioned this today, and I was like "no, that blew over a LONG time ago"... I thought he was talking about the Creaky Boards fiasco! I guess I was wrong...

...Now what?

A RUSH OF VIDA · 05-12-2008, 11:50 PM

It did blow over but that dumbass all of a sudden wanted to sue and he did and now its all over the news!......I wouldnt have been that pissed if he did it like 6months ago but now im really mad cause they got all this grammy noms and there getting recognized for something great they did and now hw comes and its like hes trying to take it away!!!

Arazmire · 05-12-2008, 11:55 PM

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A RUSH OF VIDA · 05-12-2008, 11:58 PM

I was thinking at it seems like Chris and the boys arent worried about it(that or they know how to hide it well!)...So if there not worried about it...we shouldnt be worried about it!

notlost92 · 06-12-2008, 12:00 AM

I'm sure Coldplay's management will handle this, remember how quickly they came back with the Creaky Boards? They brought up all of that evidence showing Chris wasn't at the concert, and that the song had been written beforehand... and that wasn't even a lawsuit! They'll assemble a good legal team and take this guy DOWN

Iusedtoruletheworld · 06-12-2008, 12:14 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chromeboy88;2671099
C'mon people.... Chord progressions are one thing, however when you listen to them mashed together on the YouTube link, you have to admit it is a clean ripoff of Joe's song. Dont badmouth the man, I am sure his record company is the one who made this happen. Just my take................

The song has been modified so it can have the same tempo and key, don't fall for idiocy like this please, people try to make the boys look bad when they didn't do anything wrong.

The mashup is total BS because it was staged to sound alike.

louise_5031 · 06-12-2008, 12:17 AM

I'm first and foremost a Coldplay fan but my OH introduced me to Satriani when we first started going out and although his music isn't necessarily my usual taste, I find him fascinating to watch and have seem him live, he is a great performer and a brilliant writer. He is also an amazing teacher and it wouldn't surprise me if guitarists that Chris and the boys look up to or have looked up to in the past have themselves been taught by a line of previous Satriani pupils/admirers!

I think its quite pathetic that a lot of you are just willing to slam Satriani for what he is doing without even listening to a single one of his tracks?! If I had to choose it would be hands down Coldplay don't get me wrong, but this is a fucking massive industry and if at the end of the day Satriani is being advised to sue and earn money that he (partly) rightfully considers his then so be it, all we can do is sit back and let the judges decide.

Personally I do not think Coldplay would of obviously intended to steal the melody, neither do I even think they have unconsciously done it - I think it happens to be a coincidence, and if thats the case hopefully the court case will resolve it

If not I'm sure the boys wont be too miffed, after all they have millions in the bank and plenty of fans who know otherwise

I just think its a bit sad that people automatically jump to the conclusion that Satriani is a nobody with his "fingers in his ass" - he's an incredibly talented guy, who is respected and admired by millions across the globe... has been for decades - and afterall, if you had wrote something then a few years later a remarkably similar song was produced would you not have your doubts?

What if, down the line, a band is formed that has immense success - I'm talking along the lines of the Beatles... and one of their tracks has a chorus that sounds really similar to Clocks? Which fans will be stamping their feet in tantrum then?

WV Gal · 06-12-2008, 12:23 AM

A few things come across my mind when I heard about this....

1) Is he suing the Creaky Boards for copying his song? Obviously they must have copied off of him since they wrote their song after him and they said Coldplay copied their song, right? Wouldn't it make sense that he goes after Creaky Boards? My guess is he is not going after them because there's no money there.

2) The timing of this is just so wrong. IMO, and I am not trying to diss him, but any respectable musician/person would file suit right away if they feel their music was illegally copied and not wait half of year to file suit. Of course, waiting all that time allows the earnings build up which means he can "get" more if ruled in his favor.

Ex...Different musician but when Avril Lavigne had that song "Girlfriend" a band went after her right away but this guy didn't do that AFAIK.

3) He wants this to go to be tried by a jury, well, if I was a juror I would already have doubts about his claim. I would doubt the timing of his claim and the fact that he waited as long as he did to file a claim.

4) Finally, I really don't see that much similarity between the two songs that warrants this type of action.

Chromeboy88 · 06-12-2008, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tnspieler1012;2671205
Different chords, different key, different notes, different speed, different melody, different rythm. Whatever similarity there is is purely coincidental. I noticed in the you-tube comparison that they tamper with the audio speed and pitch to make it seem similar. If you tried you could probably find a dozen lesser known indie bands who came up with the same melody by pure accident (I'm mean it's essentially four or five notes), but they didn't write the biggest song in the world right now did they?

I think you should listen to both original recordings.. The tempo is similiar, so is the pitch... I have been playing guitar for a long time... the key is the same too.... dude.... denial.

05-12-2008, 11:03 PM	#181
valypan MXer Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,551 My Mood: Location: Denmark Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 53 Thanked 47 Times in 17 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Chromeboy88;2671099 C'mon people.... Chord progressions are one thing, however when you listen to them mashed together on the YouTube link, you have to admit it is a clean ripoff of Joe's song. Dont badmouth the man, I am sure his record company is the one who made this happen. Just my take................ I am pretty sure the record company could not sue without consulting the artist first, but I might be wrong. As for the similarities, there are even more similarities between Satriani and that other spanish band, so it is not a clear rip off. It´s just a very simple widely-used chord progression... __________________ Luminous and wired, glowing in the dark

05-12-2008, 11:05 PM	#182
valypan MXer Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,551 My Mood: Location: Denmark Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 53 Thanked 47 Times in 17 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by A RUSH OF VIDA;2671129 How do u guys know Coldplay has heard of him or even that song!.....Anything is possible so its possible that Coldplay didnt hear that song!.....I believe that they didnt cause like someone said with the Talk single they asked permissin and did all the legal things they needed to do so if they did hear that song why didnt they just ask the that guy if they could use it like they did with the song talk!..........What really pisses me off about the whole thing is that this guy had like 6 months to sue and he didnt and know hes doing it!......So that being said I THINK THE GUYS AN ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! I could not agree more, hence i think this thing will blow over very soon...and let´s cross our fingers for Coldplay snatching some of those 7 grammys __________________ Luminous and wired, glowing in the dark

05-12-2008, 11:22 PM	#183
мaямellata (ﾉ ◕ ◡◕ ) ﾉ ☆ Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 11,645 Gender: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	people actually signed up for the forum to protect this guy? coldplay is way too big to do something as stupid as that.. because if it was intentional they must be pretty stupid to think that nobody would find out... and really, i dont think that's the case. so lets all chill and let this guy get his kicks from it, cuz we all know there is no way in hell he could win against the guys. __________________ ▲ FLAV✿RS LAST.FM ✿ Elevate

05-12-2008, 11:43 PM	#186
Tnspieler1012 Come On, Let's Go Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 12,237 My Mood: Location: Prague, Czech Republic Gender: Country: Chat posts: 1 Thanks given: 58 Thanked 131 Times in 80 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Chromeboy88;2671099 C'mon people.... Chord progressions are one thing, however when you listen to them mashed together on the YouTube link, you have to admit it is a clean ripoff of Joe's song. Dont badmouth the man, I am sure his record company is the one who made this happen. Just my take................ Different chords, different key, different notes, different speed, different melody, different rythm. Whatever similarity there is is purely coincidental. I noticed in the you-tube comparison that they tamper with the audio speed and pitch to make it seem similar. If you tried you could probably find a dozen lesser known indie bands who came up with the same melody by pure accident (I'm mean it's essentially four or five notes), but they didn't write the biggest song in the world right now did they? __________________ "So I wanna live in a wooden house, where making more friends would be easy, I wanna live where the sun comes out..." Quote: Originally Posted by Karencorpse;4818717 Tnspieler1012 seams like a very interesting guy who has lots of interesting things to talk about and great things to do with her. Quote: Originally Posted by eff-exx;5237716 You're like the ultimate post-rocker in this forum. Quote: Originally Posted by Til_Kingdom_Come;5509315 Ha Ha!!! I guess you suck at geography as well as Rock music!!

05-12-2008, 11:45 PM	#187
notlost92 come along Pond Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,969 My Mood: Location: Washington DC, but Philadelphia suburbs for school Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 3 Thanked 114 Times in 7 Posts	SHIT! My teacher mentioned this today, and I was like "no, that blew over a LONG time ago"... I thought he was talking about the Creaky Boards fiasco! I guess I was wrong... ...Now what? __________________ VLV: 8/3/08 10/25/08 10/31/08 5/21/09 front row! 8/3/09 Yes, Chris Martin and Gwyneth Paltrow almost ran me over in their car on 11/3/12, and then Chris drew a portrait of me. MX: 10/21/11 7/5/12 upgraded! row three! 7/8/12 7/29/12 upgraded again!!! front row- pure magic.

05-12-2008, 11:33 PM	#184
Chromeboy88 Coldplayer Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 11 Location: Oregon Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Remember when John Fogerty had to defend one of his own songs that he had written back in the CCR days.... It was a hell of a fight as I remember.......... I just wish this was not happening. Coldplay are great artists... Satriani is a guitar god....

05-12-2008, 11:34 PM	#185
franZka Dreamer Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 17 Location: In Dreams Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think morpheus is right when he says Satriani just likes to play the guitar, and it's not his intention having attention. i downloaded the Satriani's song [ i liked it ! ] and I think there's few of similarity, but it doesn't mean Coldplay plagiarised the song to Satriani. All the time is possible that a band takes a rhythm of a song of another guys, when you listen a song much time you've got it in the deepest of your head, even to the musicians. Anyway, I'm a f***ing fan of Coldplay, I don't find plagiarism, I think this matter is no gonna go far, don't get annoyed and offend to Satriani, he's one of the best guitarists... Just love Coldplay! =P

05-12-2008, 11:50 PM	#188
A RUSH OF VIDA It's time to run! Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 4,494 Location: California Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It did blow over but that dumbass all of a sudden wanted to sue and he did and now its all over the news!......I wouldnt have been that pissed if he did it like 6months ago but now im really mad cause they got all this grammy noms and there getting recognized for something great they did and now hw comes and its like hes trying to take it away!!! __________________ Just standin' where I am with all the people passing by me The sound of all these passersby Mixed in with the bus and motor-car Must be sure these are the signs 'Cos I've been here a million times before Read more: TRAVIS - COMING AROUND LYRICS

05-12-2008, 11:55 PM	#189
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05-12-2008, 11:58 PM	#190
A RUSH OF VIDA It's time to run! Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 4,494 Location: California Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I was thinking at it seems like Chris and the boys arent worried about it(that or they know how to hide it well!)...So if there not worried about it...we shouldnt be worried about it! __________________ Just standin' where I am with all the people passing by me The sound of all these passersby Mixed in with the bus and motor-car Must be sure these are the signs 'Cos I've been here a million times before Read more: TRAVIS - COMING AROUND LYRICS

06-12-2008, 12:00 AM	#191
notlost92 come along Pond Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,969 My Mood: Location: Washington DC, but Philadelphia suburbs for school Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 3 Thanked 114 Times in 7 Posts	I'm sure Coldplay's management will handle this, remember how quickly they came back with the Creaky Boards? They brought up all of that evidence showing Chris wasn't at the concert, and that the song had been written beforehand... and that wasn't even a lawsuit! They'll assemble a good legal team and take this guy DOWN __________________ VLV: 8/3/08 10/25/08 10/31/08 5/21/09 front row! 8/3/09 Yes, Chris Martin and Gwyneth Paltrow almost ran me over in their car on 11/3/12, and then Chris drew a portrait of me. MX: 10/21/11 7/5/12 upgraded! row three! 7/8/12 7/29/12 upgraded again!!! front row- pure magic.

06-12-2008, 12:14 AM	#192
Iusedtoruletheworld seas would rise... Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 410 My Mood: Location: Montreal, Canada Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Chromeboy88;2671099 C'mon people.... Chord progressions are one thing, however when you listen to them mashed together on the YouTube link, you have to admit it is a clean ripoff of Joe's song. Dont badmouth the man, I am sure his record company is the one who made this happen. Just my take................ The song has been modified so it can have the same tempo and key, don't fall for idiocy like this please, people try to make the boys look bad when they didn't do anything wrong. The mashup is total BS because it was staged to sound alike.

06-12-2008, 12:17 AM	#193
louise_5031 Coldplayer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3 Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm first and foremost a Coldplay fan but my OH introduced me to Satriani when we first started going out and although his music isn't necessarily my usual taste, I find him fascinating to watch and have seem him live, he is a great performer and a brilliant writer. He is also an amazing teacher and it wouldn't surprise me if guitarists that Chris and the boys look up to or have looked up to in the past have themselves been taught by a line of previous Satriani pupils/admirers! I think its quite pathetic that a lot of you are just willing to slam Satriani for what he is doing without even listening to a single one of his tracks?! If I had to choose it would be hands down Coldplay don't get me wrong, but this is a fucking massive industry and if at the end of the day Satriani is being advised to sue and earn money that he (partly) rightfully considers his then so be it, all we can do is sit back and let the judges decide. Personally I do not think Coldplay would of obviously intended to steal the melody, neither do I even think they have unconsciously done it - I think it happens to be a coincidence, and if thats the case hopefully the court case will resolve it If not I'm sure the boys wont be too miffed, after all they have millions in the bank and plenty of fans who know otherwise I just think its a bit sad that people automatically jump to the conclusion that Satriani is a nobody with his "fingers in his ass" - he's an incredibly talented guy, who is respected and admired by millions across the globe... has been for decades - and afterall, if you had wrote something then a few years later a remarkably similar song was produced would you not have your doubts? What if, down the line, a band is formed that has immense success - I'm talking along the lines of the Beatles... and one of their tracks has a chorus that sounds really similar to Clocks? Which fans will be stamping their feet in tantrum then?

06-12-2008, 12:23 AM	#194
WV Gal So f**king what Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,856 My Mood: Location: Springfield Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	A few things come across my mind when I heard about this.... 1) Is he suing the Creaky Boards for copying his song? Obviously they must have copied off of him since they wrote their song after him and they said Coldplay copied their song, right? Wouldn't it make sense that he goes after Creaky Boards? My guess is he is not going after them because there's no money there. 2) The timing of this is just so wrong. IMO, and I am not trying to diss him, but any respectable musician/person would file suit right away if they feel their music was illegally copied and not wait half of year to file suit. Of course, waiting all that time allows the earnings build up which means he can "get" more if ruled in his favor. Ex...Different musician but when Avril Lavigne had that song "Girlfriend" a band went after her right away but this guy didn't do that AFAIK. 3) He wants this to go to be tried by a jury, well, if I was a juror I would already have doubts about his claim. I would doubt the timing of his claim and the fact that he waited as long as he did to file a claim. 4) Finally, I really don't see that much similarity between the two songs that warrants this type of action.

06-12-2008, 12:30 AM	#195
Chromeboy88 Coldplayer Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 11 Location: Oregon Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Tnspieler1012;2671205 Different chords, different key, different notes, different speed, different melody, different rythm. Whatever similarity there is is purely coincidental. I noticed in the you-tube comparison that they tamper with the audio speed and pitch to make it seem similar. If you tried you could probably find a dozen lesser known indie bands who came up with the same melody by pure accident (I'm mean it's essentially four or five notes), but they didn't write the biggest song in the world right now did they? I think you should listen to both original recordings.. The tempo is similiar, so is the pitch... I have been playing guitar for a long time... the key is the same too.... dude.... denial.