Barack Obama's core belief

ugadawg5 · 28-10-2008, 02:18 AM

Barack Obama's core belief is that we belong not to ourselves, but to government. We are tools that the government is free to use to bring about what Obama calls "economic justice." The fruits of our labor belong to government ... and government can do with them what it pleases.

Now if this is your philosophy, then vote for this guy. Then every time you draw a paycheck why don't you drop him a line and ask him how much of it you can keep to care for your family and plan for your own future and how much he would like to have to redistribute to someone who sat on their butt while you were busting yours. After all, you voted for him.

HorrificAttack · 28-10-2008, 02:47 AM

He's practically a dictator maaaan.

MrLick · 28-10-2008, 03:09 AM

I wonder if i'm wrong and Obama will be any different then McCain would be or Bush was. I still believe the core policies will be the same because both parties are the same. This will be interesting to find out in the next 4 to 8 years.

No matter what this is going to be fun, were all fucked no matter who wins.

winigwl · 28-10-2008, 03:51 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrcool011;2601807
I wonder if i'm wrong and Obama will be any different then McCain would be or Bush was. I still believe the core policies will be the same because both parties are the same. This will be interesting to find out in the next 4 to 8 years.

No matter what this is going to be fun, were all fucked no matter who wins.

to the first part: i really hope your wrong. i hope you hope your wrong too. but this is the first election i've really followed so i dont no....

to the second part: well said. we're screwd.

Saffire · 28-10-2008, 05:10 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ugadawg5;2601635
Barack Obama's core belief is that we belong not to ourselves, but to government. We are tools that the government is free to use to bring about what Obama calls "economic justice." The fruits of our labor belong to government ... and government can do with them what it pleases.

Now if this is your philosophy, then vote for this guy. Then every time you draw a paycheck why don't you drop him a line and ask him how much of it you can keep to care for your family and plan for your own future and how much he would like to have to redistribute to someone who sat on their butt while you were busting yours. After all, you voted for him.

Well yeah, that's what government is. The majority votes to take the minority's stuff in the name of "justice". If you don't comply they shoot you.

But at least the figurehead of government is a smiling skinny man who you'd want to have a beer with. That's what counts.

Fixed · 28-10-2008, 05:40 PM

If McCain got in you'd still 'belong' to the government.

MrLick · 28-10-2008, 10:08 PM

Thats why a 3rd party candidate is the only real choice.

Corey07 · 29-10-2008, 12:29 AM

3rd party isn't a choice, because they'll never win. Its not logical to vote for someone who won't stand a chance at winning. Congress needs to change the electoral college system, then it would be reasonable and logical to vote 3rd party

MrLick · 29-10-2008, 04:16 AM

They aren't a choice because we believe they aren't a choice. As long as that myth continues the corrupt politicians will stay in office. That is the main set back, we have this notion that it's impossible. Open our minds and vote for change and we could have it. Sadly most will continue to believe it's impossible and we'll suffer for that.

I'm sure people said the same things about revolutions, in the 1770s....

Tnspieler1012 · 29-10-2008, 05:09 AM

It's because the majority of americans deem it impossible that it is impossible...and in any case...most Americans aren't well enough informed to look beyond the two major candidates. Personally I'm so-so on Barr...

brandon313 · 29-10-2008, 12:29 PM

well i look at the third party candidate and i ask ,"would i want this man to be president?" and in the case of Bob Barr i say no. I do not agree at all with libertarian views. I believe it is an outdated way of thinking and impractical in a global society.

MrLick · 29-10-2008, 02:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by brandon313;2603689
well i look at the third party candidate and i ask ,"would i want this man to be president?" and in the case of Bob Barr i say no. I do not agree at all with libertarian views. I believe it is an outdated way of thinking and impractical in a global society.

I say the same thing about the neo-cons and neo-libs. I don't see Barr as a good leader, just as a tool to bring about change in the future. If we see a larger amount vote for any 3rd party, that will give us momentum for the next election and maybe in a few elections get a 3rd party in office. Hell, I'd even support Nadar in office, at least he's more honest and less corrupt then Obama. Nadar is a more realistic Obama at least. Anyone who likes what Obama says, should be voting for Nadar not for Obama, because he's just a corrupt bastard who only makes his friends rich.

Saffire · 29-10-2008, 03:00 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by brandon313;2603689
well i look at the third party candidate and i ask ,"would i want this man to be president?" and in the case of Bob Barr i say no. I do not agree at all with libertarian views. I believe it is an outdated way of thinking and impractical in a global society.

So, what you're saying is that political philosophies grow moldy with time, like a loaf of bread left uneaten.

How quaint.

brandon313 · 29-10-2008, 07:38 PM

mrcool, i supported ron paul due to his stance on corporate campaign donations.

the_gloaming09 · 29-10-2008, 08:29 PM

This is why I'm not gonig to be voting for Obama. Not just does he want to expand government (as if it's not already big enough), he also is gonig to raise our taxes and spread the wealth. As for the whole McCain is a 3rd term of Bush is just bull, and i'm so tired of obama bringing it up.

Personally I have been switching as to who to vote for (i was originally for ron paul, then obama, then mccain, then obama, and now mccain again). At this point it appears Obama will win, and being in NY voting for McCain really won't do much because Obama will win NY, but i'm still gonna vote

28-10-2008, 02:18 AM	#1
ugadawg5 http://www.fairtax.org/ Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 773 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Barack Obama's core belief Barack Obama's core belief is that we belong not to ourselves, but to government. We are tools that the government is free to use to bring about what Obama calls "economic justice." The fruits of our labor belong to government ... and government can do with them what it pleases. Now if this is your philosophy, then vote for this guy. Then every time you draw a paycheck why don't you drop him a line and ask him how much of it you can keep to care for your family and plan for your own future and how much he would like to have to redistribute to someone who sat on their butt while you were busting yours. After all, you voted for him. __________________ www.fairtax.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FairTax

28-10-2008, 03:09 AM	#3
MrLick Lemon World Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 26,041 My Mood: Location: Spokane. Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 66 Thanked 57 Times in 23 Posts	I wonder if i'm wrong and Obama will be any different then McCain would be or Bush was. I still believe the core policies will be the same because both parties are the same. This will be interesting to find out in the next 4 to 8 years. No matter what this is going to be fun, were all fucked no matter who wins. __________________ Even after all this time, the Sun never says to the Earth: "You owe me". Look at what happens with a love like that. It lights the whole sky.

28-10-2008, 03:51 AM	#4
winigwl Coldplayer Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 9,169 My Mood: Location: new jersey Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by mrcool011;2601807 I wonder if i'm wrong and Obama will be any different then McCain would be or Bush was. I still believe the core policies will be the same because both parties are the same. This will be interesting to find out in the next 4 to 8 years. No matter what this is going to be fun, were all fucked no matter who wins. to the first part: i really hope your wrong. i hope you hope your wrong too. but this is the first election i've really followed so i dont no.... to the second part: well said. we're screwd.

28-10-2008, 05:10 AM	#5
Saffire Classically liberal. Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,406 My Mood: Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by ugadawg5;2601635 Barack Obama's core belief is that we belong not to ourselves, but to government. We are tools that the government is free to use to bring about what Obama calls "economic justice." The fruits of our labor belong to government ... and government can do with them what it pleases. Now if this is your philosophy, then vote for this guy. Then every time you draw a paycheck why don't you drop him a line and ask him how much of it you can keep to care for your family and plan for your own future and how much he would like to have to redistribute to someone who sat on their butt while you were busting yours. After all, you voted for him. Well yeah, that's what government is. The majority votes to take the minority's stuff in the name of "justice". If you don't comply they shoot you. But at least the figurehead of government is a smiling skinny man who you'd want to have a beer with. That's what counts.

28-10-2008, 10:08 PM	#7
MrLick Lemon World Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 26,041 My Mood: Location: Spokane. Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 66 Thanked 57 Times in 23 Posts	Thats why a 3rd party candidate is the only real choice. __________________ Even after all this time, the Sun never says to the Earth: "You owe me". Look at what happens with a love like that. It lights the whole sky.

28-10-2008, 02:47 AM	#2
HorrificAttack Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 6,809 My Mood: Location: Newcastle Upon Tyne Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	He's practically a dictator maaaan.

28-10-2008, 05:40 PM	#6
Fixed Coldplayer Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,147 Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	If McCain got in you'd still 'belong' to the government.

29-10-2008, 12:29 AM	#8
Corey07 Bioluminescence Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 556 Location: Qatar, where else? Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	3rd party isn't a choice, because they'll never win. Its not logical to vote for someone who won't stand a chance at winning. Congress needs to change the electoral college system, then it would be reasonable and logical to vote 3rd party __________________ Lying in a Dream State, Awake For All To See... My Coldplay Cover- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Y36A8ttic

29-10-2008, 04:16 AM	#9
MrLick Lemon World Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 26,041 My Mood: Location: Spokane. Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 66 Thanked 57 Times in 23 Posts	They aren't a choice because we believe they aren't a choice. As long as that myth continues the corrupt politicians will stay in office. That is the main set back, we have this notion that it's impossible. Open our minds and vote for change and we could have it. Sadly most will continue to believe it's impossible and we'll suffer for that. I'm sure people said the same things about revolutions, in the 1770s.... __________________ Even after all this time, the Sun never says to the Earth: "You owe me". Look at what happens with a love like that. It lights the whole sky.

29-10-2008, 05:09 AM	#10
Tnspieler1012 Come On, Let's Go Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 12,254 My Mood: Location: Prague, Czech Republic Gender: Country: Chat posts: 1 Thanks given: 61 Thanked 133 Times in 82 Posts	It's because the majority of americans deem it impossible that it is impossible...and in any case...most Americans aren't well enough informed to look beyond the two major candidates. Personally I'm so-so on Barr... __________________ "So I wanna live in a wooden house, where making more friends would be easy, I wanna live where the sun comes out..." Quote: Originally Posted by Karencorpse;4818717 Tnspieler1012 seams like a very interesting guy who has lots of interesting things to talk about and great things to do with her. Quote: Originally Posted by eff-exx;5237716 You're like the ultimate post-rocker in this forum. Quote: Originally Posted by Til_Kingdom_Come;5509315 Ha Ha!!! I guess you suck at geography as well as Rock music!!

29-10-2008, 12:29 PM	#11
brandon313 Amsterdam or bust Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 520 Location: Raleigh NC Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	well i look at the third party candidate and i ask ,"would i want this man to be president?" and in the case of Bob Barr i say no. I do not agree at all with libertarian views. I believe it is an outdated way of thinking and impractical in a global society. __________________ http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...313/diego2.jpg W E R D E R B R E M E N

29-10-2008, 02:43 PM	#12
MrLick Lemon World Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 26,041 My Mood: Location: Spokane. Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 66 Thanked 57 Times in 23 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by brandon313;2603689 well i look at the third party candidate and i ask ,"would i want this man to be president?" and in the case of Bob Barr i say no. I do not agree at all with libertarian views. I believe it is an outdated way of thinking and impractical in a global society. I say the same thing about the neo-cons and neo-libs. I don't see Barr as a good leader, just as a tool to bring about change in the future. If we see a larger amount vote for any 3rd party, that will give us momentum for the next election and maybe in a few elections get a 3rd party in office. Hell, I'd even support Nadar in office, at least he's more honest and less corrupt then Obama. Nadar is a more realistic Obama at least. Anyone who likes what Obama says, should be voting for Nadar not for Obama, because he's just a corrupt bastard who only makes his friends rich. __________________ Even after all this time, the Sun never says to the Earth: "You owe me". Look at what happens with a love like that. It lights the whole sky.

29-10-2008, 03:00 PM	#13
Saffire Classically liberal. Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 4,406 My Mood: Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by brandon313;2603689 well i look at the third party candidate and i ask ,"would i want this man to be president?" and in the case of Bob Barr i say no. I do not agree at all with libertarian views. I believe it is an outdated way of thinking and impractical in a global society. So, what you're saying is that political philosophies grow moldy with time, like a loaf of bread left uneaten. How quaint.

29-10-2008, 07:38 PM	#14
brandon313 Amsterdam or bust Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 520 Location: Raleigh NC Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	mrcool, i supported ron paul due to his stance on corporate campaign donations. __________________ http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...313/diego2.jpg W E R D E R B R E M E N

29-10-2008, 08:29 PM	#15
the_gloaming09 Feral Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 11,937 My Mood: Location: NY Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 40 Thanked 40 Times in 27 Posts	This is why I'm not gonig to be voting for Obama. Not just does he want to expand government (as if it's not already big enough), he also is gonig to raise our taxes and spread the wealth. As for the whole McCain is a 3rd term of Bush is just bull, and i'm so tired of obama bringing it up. Personally I have been switching as to who to vote for (i was originally for ron paul, then obama, then mccain, then obama, and now mccain again). At this point it appears Obama will win, and being in NY voting for McCain really won't do much because Obama will win NY, but i'm still gonna vote __________________ I'm not yours. You're not mine. That's just fine. Please. Don't. Judge. My Blog Facebook Twitter