i want to see chris martin duet either with Micheal Jackson or Paul McCartney! - Page 3

nevaehdreamz · 19-11-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mc_squared
Not true. His last album "Invincible" flopped big time, and sucked hugely. It ended up in the "bargain bucket" section in double-quick time. And prior to that his albums had been getting more and more "MOR" and self-obsessed. He also started concentrating far too much on the "show" and not enough on the music.
I saw him in concert once and it was more like a circus then a music event. It was a huge disappointment.

So has Elton John - but HE hasn't created anything good for years, either. It's as if all the energy has been sucked out of him.

Well firstly, Elton John is pretty old...wtf is he supposed to be doing at this point?

It's doesn't matter of all three of them totally quit tomorrow. They still did. Typcially irrelevant artists don't do that.

Secondly, if any other artist today had released an album with the results that Michael's last album had, no one would have called it a flop. The two singles that were released charted in the Top 20, and the first single in the Top 10. No, it wasn't Thriller...but if it were anyone else...people would most definately be treating it differently. Some of the popular artists of today aren't even fairing as well as that on the charts, but no one is eating them alive for it.

Any article you see says, 'Jackson's last studio album sold 4 million as opposed to the 50 million his 1982 Thriller moved.'

How stupid is that. How many years did it take for Thriller to accumulate sales of this sort first of all and secondly...as if an album will ever sell that much again. Entire albums are on the internet sometimes months before their release.

When it comes to Michael Jackson these days there is alway a tendency for people to try and belittle everything. I'd give him credit. Despite all the bullshit about him and that's been said...he's been at it since he was 10. I'm not sure I can think of any other artist that's been around for that long that can still do even the little that people think Invincible did. Can you?

Every artist has his or her, or their peak. It's usually a pattern. They release some good albums, then...they release that one album that defines their career, usually sales wise. People either hail it as the best thing ever...or they accuse them of selling out. Then after that...sales decline and people start acting like they suck completely. After that, everyone looks to their older albums and hails anything after 'the old stuff' as garbage. (IE: See Coldplay)

Off the Wall is a great album, so is Thriller...but I think Thriller is overrated. It had huge sales yeah, but so do a lot of crappy albums too. I'm not saying it's a bad album, but that's my honest opinion. I think people love Thriller so much because of the nostalgic feeling it brings and because of how huge it was at the time. But musically, I don't think it's the best thing ever. It was a BIG album in all aspects, but I don't think bigger is better.

There is always, always a tedency for people to discredit anything he did after the Thriller album because after that it's when people decided he wasn't as cool. But Michael's albums have always been on the surface side of things...talking about love and whatever else pop singers usually sing about. Self-obsessed? I have all the albums. Bad has nothing of the sort, Dangerous has nothing of the sort, HIStory was an album about...well his story, it was almost a complete retaliation to everything that had been said about him until that point. It was spelled a certain way for a reason.

Invincible is probably the only album that would be called self-obsessed, given the title and some of the songs, but still...the theme was overcoming adversity. I'll agree with you that the album was very...not that good.

Every artist writes personal songs, even him. Songs about how they felt when this or that happened...or about overcoming adversity, which I guess he writes about often because he's always put in that situation. If that counts as being self-obsessed...well

. Before Invincible I can't think of any song where he hails himself as the best, mostly he just pleads with people to leave him the hell alone.

My favorite Michael Jackson songs don't come from either of his first two major albums. I think songs like, Stranger in Moscow, Who is It, and Earth Song are way better than anything on the Thriller album, people don't seem to know these songs. I'm a sucker for a good set of lyrics, and nothing on Thriller especially is anything to scream over lyrically.

Ahh whatever. I think both of the artists mentioned are great...despite anything and everything. You can't be THE BEST forever.

CRYSTAL · 19-11-2006, 10:27 AM

i love bad,they don't care about us,billie jean,beat it,Thriller,Dirty diana,and more from Micheal Jackson's songs.Dirty Diana reminds me of princess Diana.
She is great!

mc_squared · 19-11-2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pallavi
i love bad,they don't care about us,billie jean,beat it,Thriller,Dirty diana,and more from Micheal Jackson's songs.Dirty Diana reminds me of princess Diana.
She is great!

I think "Bad" was a very appropriate title for that album, and marked the beginning of the end for Wacko. He seemed to suddenly regard himself as a "rocker", and that was an absolute joke!!

I couldn't stand "Dirty Diana" - I think it was one of his worst songs ever.

RICK8 · 19-11-2006, 10:08 PM

Hey don't diss the music!!! The music is awesome..but the man is not!!

mc_squared · 19-11-2006, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RICK8
Hey don't diss the music!!! The music is awesome..but the man is not!!

As I said, the music went rapidly downhill after "Thriller".

RICK8 · 21-11-2006, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by mc_squared
As I said, the music went rapidly downhill after "Thriller".

That is your opinion..but mine differs greatly!

CRYSTAL · 21-11-2006, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RICK8
That is your opinion..but mine differs greatly!

rick i agree with you.

mc_squared · 21-11-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RICK8
That is your opinion..but mine differs greatly!

Well in that case you're obviously a fan of his "cheesy" pop & rock era, which came after he'd "sold out" and forgotten his roots. Strangely enough, it coincided with the deterioration of his facial features!!

Petra_coldplay · 21-11-2006, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mc_squared
As I said, the music went rapidly downhill after "Thriller".

Hmm I dunno, I have to listen more to him, but what is for sure; His looks and behaviour went downhill

mc_squared · 21-11-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Petra_coldplay
Hmm I dunno, I have to listen more to him, but what is for sure; His looks and behaviour went downhill

Looks, behaviour, music, attitude............................. you name it, it deteriorated!!

Petra_coldplay · 21-11-2006, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mc_squared
Looks, behaviour, music, attitude............................. you name it, it deteriorated!!

whaha the third one I still don't agree just wait a couple of months and I'll answer that question

But with the other three things you're certainly right

mc_squared · 21-11-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Petra_coldplay
whaha the third one I still don't agree just wait a couple of months and I'll answer that question But with the other three things you're certainly right

Well believe me - I'm right on all counts!! With every album he released, he seemed to get more self-obsessed and detached from reality!!

Petra_coldplay · 21-11-2006, 04:16 PM

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Well believe me - I'm right on all counts!! With every album he released, he seemed to get more self-obsessed and detached from reality!!

Haha oke

mc_squared · 21-11-2006, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Petra_coldplay
Haha oke

For example, "Heal The World" just has to be one of the most excruciatingly cheesy songs ever made. Yuk!!

And as for "I Just Can't Stop Loving You"..................... talk about sick-in-a-bucket!!

Little Miss Clumsy · 22-11-2006, 04:17 AM

I think that we've had enough MJ-bashing for a year or so... everyone has their opinions on him but, you know, i think it might be getting a bit heated and too insulting... how would all of you like it if ppl started coldplay-bashing when you were on a different artists fan site? probably wouldn't b 2 happy... so can't we just respect everyone's music taste and leave the "101 things that are wrong with michael jackson" list alone?

Now I feel like some UN person...

19-11-2006, 10:13 AM	#31
nevaehdreamz Coldplayer Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 464 Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by mc_squared Not true. His last album "Invincible" flopped big time, and sucked hugely. It ended up in the "bargain bucket" section in double-quick time. And prior to that his albums had been getting more and more "MOR" and self-obsessed. He also started concentrating far too much on the "show" and not enough on the music. I saw him in concert once and it was more like a circus then a music event. It was a huge disappointment. So has Elton John - but HE hasn't created anything good for years, either. It's as if all the energy has been sucked out of him. Well firstly, Elton John is pretty old...wtf is he supposed to be doing at this point? It's doesn't matter of all three of them totally quit tomorrow. They still did. Typcially irrelevant artists don't do that. Secondly, if any other artist today had released an album with the results that Michael's last album had, no one would have called it a flop. The two singles that were released charted in the Top 20, and the first single in the Top 10. No, it wasn't Thriller...but if it were anyone else...people would most definately be treating it differently. Some of the popular artists of today aren't even fairing as well as that on the charts, but no one is eating them alive for it. Any article you see says, 'Jackson's last studio album sold 4 million as opposed to the 50 million his 1982 Thriller moved.' How stupid is that. How many years did it take for Thriller to accumulate sales of this sort first of all and secondly...as if an album will ever sell that much again. Entire albums are on the internet sometimes months before their release. When it comes to Michael Jackson these days there is alway a tendency for people to try and belittle everything. I'd give him credit. Despite all the bullshit about him and that's been said...he's been at it since he was 10. I'm not sure I can think of any other artist that's been around for that long that can still do even the little that people think Invincible did. Can you? Every artist has his or her, or their peak. It's usually a pattern. They release some good albums, then...they release that one album that defines their career, usually sales wise. People either hail it as the best thing ever...or they accuse them of selling out. Then after that...sales decline and people start acting like they suck completely. After that, everyone looks to their older albums and hails anything after 'the old stuff' as garbage. (IE: See Coldplay) Off the Wall is a great album, so is Thriller...but I think Thriller is overrated. It had huge sales yeah, but so do a lot of crappy albums too. I'm not saying it's a bad album, but that's my honest opinion. I think people love Thriller so much because of the nostalgic feeling it brings and because of how huge it was at the time. But musically, I don't think it's the best thing ever. It was a BIG album in all aspects, but I don't think bigger is better. There is always, always a tedency for people to discredit anything he did after the Thriller album because after that it's when people decided he wasn't as cool. But Michael's albums have always been on the surface side of things...talking about love and whatever else pop singers usually sing about. Self-obsessed? I have all the albums. Bad has nothing of the sort, Dangerous has nothing of the sort, HIStory was an album about...well his story, it was almost a complete retaliation to everything that had been said about him until that point. It was spelled a certain way for a reason. Invincible is probably the only album that would be called self-obsessed, given the title and some of the songs, but still...the theme was overcoming adversity. I'll agree with you that the album was very...not that good. Every artist writes personal songs, even him. Songs about how they felt when this or that happened...or about overcoming adversity, which I guess he writes about often because he's always put in that situation. If that counts as being self-obsessed...well . Before Invincible I can't think of any song where he hails himself as the best, mostly he just pleads with people to leave him the hell alone. My favorite Michael Jackson songs don't come from either of his first two major albums. I think songs like, Stranger in Moscow, Who is It, and Earth Song are way better than anything on the Thriller album, people don't seem to know these songs. I'm a sucker for a good set of lyrics, and nothing on Thriller especially is anything to scream over lyrically. Ahh whatever. I think both of the artists mentioned are great...despite anything and everything. You can't be THE BEST forever. __________________ I A M A M U S I C L O V E R <3 --------------------------------- http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...dreamz/all.gif "Coldplay is for people with great taste, intelligence, and incredible good-lookingness."

19-11-2006, 10:36 AM	#33
mc_squared Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 67,519 My Mood: Location: Wherever life takes me Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Pallavi i love bad,they don't care about us,billie jean,beat it,Thriller,Dirty diana,and more from Micheal Jackson's songs.Dirty Diana reminds me of princess Diana. She is great! I think "Bad" was a very appropriate title for that album, and marked the beginning of the end for Wacko. He seemed to suddenly regard himself as a "rocker", and that was an absolute joke!! I couldn't stand "Dirty Diana" - I think it was one of his worst songs ever. __________________ LIFE ISN'T MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY Be yourself, no matter what anyone else thinks. Work to live - don't live to work...................... Age is purely a state of mind! Don't waste your time on jealousy. Success is a journey, NOT a destination. Life is a marathon, NOT a sprint! http://www.generationterrorists.com/...sunscreen.html

19-11-2006, 10:08 PM	#34
RICK8 Ætti Mørkna. \oo/ Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 73,434 My Mood: Location: New Zealand. Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hey don't diss the music!!! The music is awesome..but the man is not!! __________________ You might be a big fish,in a little pond,doesn't mean you have won,cause along may come a bigger one.

19-11-2006, 10:11 PM	#35
mc_squared Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 67,519 My Mood: Location: Wherever life takes me Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by RICK8 Hey don't diss the music!!! The music is awesome..but the man is not!! As I said, the music went rapidly downhill after "Thriller". __________________ LIFE ISN'T MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY Be yourself, no matter what anyone else thinks. Work to live - don't live to work...................... Age is purely a state of mind! Don't waste your time on jealousy. Success is a journey, NOT a destination. Life is a marathon, NOT a sprint! http://www.generationterrorists.com/...sunscreen.html

21-11-2006, 06:52 AM	#36
RICK8 Ætti Mørkna. \oo/ Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 73,434 My Mood: Location: New Zealand. Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by mc_squared As I said, the music went rapidly downhill after "Thriller". That is your opinion..but mine differs greatly! __________________ You might be a big fish,in a little pond,doesn't mean you have won,cause along may come a bigger one.

19-11-2006, 10:27 AM	#32
CRYSTAL Coldplayer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,774 Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	i love bad,they don't care about us,billie jean,beat it,Thriller,Dirty diana,and more from Micheal Jackson's songs.Dirty Diana reminds me of princess Diana. She is great!

21-11-2006, 03:12 PM	#37
CRYSTAL Coldplayer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,774 Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Quote: Originally Posted by RICK8 That is your opinion..but mine differs greatly! rick i agree with you.

21-11-2006, 03:29 PM	#38
mc_squared Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 67,519 My Mood: Location: Wherever life takes me Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by RICK8 That is your opinion..but mine differs greatly! Well in that case you're obviously a fan of his "cheesy" pop & rock era, which came after he'd "sold out" and forgotten his roots. Strangely enough, it coincided with the deterioration of his facial features!! __________________ LIFE ISN'T MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY Be yourself, no matter what anyone else thinks. Work to live - don't live to work...................... Age is purely a state of mind! Don't waste your time on jealousy. Success is a journey, NOT a destination. Life is a marathon, NOT a sprint! http://www.generationterrorists.com/...sunscreen.html

21-11-2006, 03:35 PM	#39
Petra_coldplay Coldplayer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,690 Location: Hallum Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by mc_squared As I said, the music went rapidly downhill after "Thriller". Hmm I dunno, I have to listen more to him, but what is for sure; His looks and behaviour went downhill __________________ The ticking clocks, But without any sound, Or movement in time. Petra. From the charity section : http://www.myspace.com/howweseetheworld Music is my passion for life.

21-11-2006, 03:44 PM	#40
mc_squared Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 67,519 My Mood: Location: Wherever life takes me Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Petra_coldplay Hmm I dunno, I have to listen more to him, but what is for sure; His looks and behaviour went downhill Looks, behaviour, music, attitude............................. you name it, it deteriorated!! __________________ LIFE ISN'T MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY Be yourself, no matter what anyone else thinks. Work to live - don't live to work...................... Age is purely a state of mind! Don't waste your time on jealousy. Success is a journey, NOT a destination. Life is a marathon, NOT a sprint! http://www.generationterrorists.com/...sunscreen.html

21-11-2006, 03:47 PM	#41
Petra_coldplay Coldplayer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,690 Location: Hallum Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by mc_squared Looks, behaviour, music, attitude............................. you name it, it deteriorated!! whaha the third one I still don't agree just wait a couple of months and I'll answer that question But with the other three things you're certainly right __________________ The ticking clocks, But without any sound, Or movement in time. Petra. From the charity section : http://www.myspace.com/howweseetheworld Music is my passion for life.

21-11-2006, 04:11 PM	#42
mc_squared Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 67,519 My Mood: Location: Wherever life takes me Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Petra_coldplay whaha the third one I still don't agree just wait a couple of months and I'll answer that question But with the other three things you're certainly right Well believe me - I'm right on all counts!! With every album he released, he seemed to get more self-obsessed and detached from reality!! __________________ LIFE ISN'T MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY Be yourself, no matter what anyone else thinks. Work to live - don't live to work...................... Age is purely a state of mind! Don't waste your time on jealousy. Success is a journey, NOT a destination. Life is a marathon, NOT a sprint! http://www.generationterrorists.com/...sunscreen.html

21-11-2006, 04:16 PM	#43
Petra_coldplay Coldplayer Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,690 Location: Hallum Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by mc_squared Well believe me - I'm right on all* counts!! With every album he released, he seemed to get more self-obsessed and detached from reality!!* Haha oke __________________ The ticking clocks, But without any sound, Or movement in time. Petra. From the charity section : http://www.myspace.com/howweseetheworld Music is my passion for life.

21-11-2006, 04:27 PM	#44
mc_squared Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 67,519 My Mood: Location: Wherever life takes me Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Petra_coldplay Haha oke For example, "Heal The World" just has to be one of the most excruciatingly cheesy songs ever made. Yuk!! And as for "I Just Can't Stop Loving You"..................... talk about sick-in-a-bucket!! __________________ LIFE ISN'T MEANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY Be yourself, no matter what anyone else thinks. Work to live - don't live to work...................... Age is purely a state of mind! Don't waste your time on jealousy. Success is a journey, NOT a destination. Life is a marathon, NOT a sprint! http://www.generationterrorists.com/...sunscreen.html

22-11-2006, 04:17 AM	#45
Little Miss Clumsy Coldplayer Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 919 Location: Sydney Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I think that we've had enough MJ-bashing for a year or so... everyone has their opinions on him but, you know, i think it might be getting a bit heated and too insulting... how would all of you like it if ppl started coldplay-bashing when you were on a different artists fan site? probably wouldn't b 2 happy... so can't we just respect everyone's music taste and leave the "101 things that are wrong with michael jackson" list alone? Now I feel like some UN person...