Trying to draw meaning from 'White Shadows'... any thoughts?

KiBa283 · 01-06-2005, 05:24 PM

So i'm trying to draw meanings relating to what White Shadows is talking about, but i'm drawing up blanks here. It seems like a part of it talks about growing up and leaving your childhood behind, but it often refers to someone else when it says "maybe you'll get what you wanted, etc etc" and in the last verse, where it says "See it in a new sun rising... see it breaking on your horizon...Oh, come on love, stay with me..."

If he's talking to/about someone he cares about and/or loves, then what message is he trying to relay to her?

Any thoughts?

Reilly · 01-06-2005, 06:11 PM

Chris Martin writes shit lyrics that have no meaning, weight or real relevance to anything.

Especially on this album.

Jan · 01-06-2005, 06:14 PM

Reilly:

Go back to the lounge

victaniac · 01-06-2005, 06:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reilly
Chris Martin writes shit lyrics that have no meaning, weight or real relevance to anything.

Especially on this album.

Have you ever dated or anything? Man...get out more, like now. Because you usually relate more to Chris when you've been through what he's talking about... and if you think his lyrics never have any meaning, you seriously must be lacking in the life department.

I love the lyrics on the his album...Twisted Logic especially. Awesomeness.

Reilly · 01-06-2005, 06:26 PM

Chris Martin's lyrics are to the NTH degree. When it comes to love, hes always talking bullshit about how he'd do ANYTHING for someone, his feelings are so fricken basic he cant describe them in an interesting way at all.

Ive written songs myself about being in love and it is completely amateur of anyone to consistently write crap about how you would part the seas or bleed yourself dry etc. etc. cack bullshit.

cafc4eva · 01-06-2005, 06:33 PM

how cares about the lyrics? the riffs are great!

"come on love stay with me"

i love this song!

Jan · 01-06-2005, 06:47 PM

If you don't like it, then listen to the other shit - Chris Martin

timeo · 01-06-2005, 06:53 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Reilly
...his feelings are so fricken basic he cant describe them in an interesting way at all.

I think that's the appeal, that anyone listening can hear it and go "yes, I can relate to that, I feel what this guy is singing about, he's not faking it or trying to come up with some pretentious way of describing being in love". I don't think anyone needs some new innovative way of describing their emotions, the way that they're described already strikes a chord already, and besides, everyone knows that their best music usually comes accidentally and the lyrics that accompany the music just fit like that, it's best not to tamper with it.

As a non-sequitor though, I just heard White Shadows on the radio, and that was super exciting.

Angst · 01-06-2005, 07:29 PM

I love his profound lyrics. It's like they don't make sense to anybody but himself. It's like a decoder ring.

*Justine* · 01-06-2005, 07:52 PM

The lyrics in this song are not strong, they are really plain if you ask me. This track is pretty blah for me.

KiBa283 · 01-06-2005, 09:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by cafc4eva
how cares about the lyrics? the riffs are great!

"come on love stay with me"

i love this song!

I love the way the song sounds in general... agreed - but it'd just be nice if I could derive some actual meaning from it... you know? Heh...

It's as if one second he's describing how he wishes he could go back to feeling how he felt when he was young or something, and then shifts to talking about someone getting what they wanted in some permanent state, while capping the song off by suddenly telling someone he loves to stay with him? I don't know... i'm trying to draw connections, but i'm finding it impossible to do so in this song.

Any insight? Or am I just looking too damn hard? =/

colduser · 01-06-2005, 09:25 PM

I'm usually more attracted to a song's melody and chord structure rather than the lyrics. White Shadows is a perfect example. Lyrics aren't necesarrily on point on this track but the music is.

ALR · 03-06-2005, 06:01 AM

I get almost a struggle with the idea of spirituality or God (represented by little white shadows, impossiblities in and of themselves), plus a really cool little existential despair ("all this space I'm taking up," i.e. I'm not worth the air I breathe).
So the struggle with belief in divinity, etc. is that the "sound" (spiritual inspiration/white shadows) that he listened for as a boy, when he had faith, is "breaking up" as he grows older. In other words, his faith is dimming.
He finds an answer is in "the new sun rising."

Or at least that's what I get from it.

johnny_t · 03-06-2005, 09:07 AM

damn good idea^

margaritan0salt · 13-09-2005, 01:48 AM

on people saying that his lyrics on love are basic and uninteresting:
who says you can't describe how you love someone in a non-complicated way. the best love is the love that isn't complicated. but very basic and simple and pure.

as for the overall meaning of the song I don't think has to do with either God nor Love. I think it has to do with peace. If anything it's learning to love yourself and be happy. The world changes you as you age [You're part of the human race
All of the stars in the outer space Part of a system plan]. Some people get bitter, some people hate themselves. Everything is different when you're a child [When I was a young boy I tried to listen And I wanna feel like that ]. You need to go through some hurdles before you find happiness within yourself and peace of mind. And when you finally get it, you never want to let go of it [Everything you ever wanted In a permanent state ].

01-06-2005, 05:24 PM	#1
KiBa283 Coldplayer Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 16 Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Trying to draw meaning from 'White Shadows'... any thoughts? So i'm trying to draw meanings relating to what White Shadows is talking about, but i'm drawing up blanks here. It seems like a part of it talks about growing up and leaving your childhood behind, but it often refers to someone else when it says "maybe you'll get what you wanted, etc etc" and in the last verse, where it says "See it in a new sun rising... see it breaking on your horizon...Oh, come on love, stay with me..." If he's talking to/about someone he cares about and/or loves, then what message is he trying to relay to her? Any thoughts?

01-06-2005, 06:11 PM	#2
Reilly District 9er Badazz!11111 Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 35,994 Chat posts: 61 Thanks given: 45 Thanked 336 Times in 192 Posts	Chris Martin writes shit lyrics that have no meaning, weight or real relevance to anything. Especially on this album. __________________ This door... ...needs some WD-40. Quote: Originally Posted by Fix42YellowClocks I cannot argue my point of the seemingly conflicting idea of why I have the right to argue people shouldn't be allowed to tell Coldplay to stop expressing themselves without a fundamental argument to the freedoms we enjoy. Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

01-06-2005, 06:14 PM	#3
Jan Amsterdammer Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,662 Location: The Netherlands Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Reilly: Go back to the lounge __________________ \"You came along and you cut me loose\" MTF

01-06-2005, 06:20 PM	#4
victaniac Sea Lion Woman Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 4,336 Location: South Florida Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Quote: Originally Posted by Reilly Chris Martin writes shit lyrics that have no meaning, weight or real relevance to anything. Especially on this album. Have you ever dated or anything? Man...get out more, like now. Because you usually relate more to Chris when you've been through what he's talking about... and if you think his lyrics never have any meaning, you seriously must be lacking in the life department. I love the lyrics on the his album...Twisted Logic especially. Awesomeness.

01-06-2005, 06:26 PM	#5
Reilly District 9er Badazz!11111 Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 35,994 Chat posts: 61 Thanks given: 45 Thanked 336 Times in 192 Posts	Chris Martin's lyrics are to the NTH degree. When it comes to love, hes always talking bullshit about how he'd do ANYTHING for someone, his feelings are so fricken basic he cant describe them in an interesting way at all. Ive written songs myself about being in love and it is completely amateur of anyone to consistently write crap about how you would part the seas or bleed yourself dry etc. etc. cack bullshit. __________________ This door... ...needs some WD-40. Quote: Originally Posted by Fix42YellowClocks I cannot argue my point of the seemingly conflicting idea of why I have the right to argue people shouldn't be allowed to tell Coldplay to stop expressing themselves without a fundamental argument to the freedoms we enjoy. Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

01-06-2005, 06:33 PM	#6
cafc4eva Coldplayer Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 755 Location: Bromley Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	how cares about the lyrics? the riffs are great! "come on love stay with me" i love this song! __________________ shes got me dancing...

01-06-2005, 06:47 PM	#7
Jan Amsterdammer Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,662 Location: The Netherlands Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you don't like it, then listen to the other shit - Chris Martin __________________ \"You came along and you cut me loose\" MTF

01-06-2005, 06:53 PM	#8
timeo Coldplayer Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 254 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Reilly ...his feelings are so fricken basic he cant describe them in an interesting way at all. I think that's the appeal, that anyone listening can hear it and go "yes, I can relate to that, I feel what this guy is singing about, he's not faking it or trying to come up with some pretentious way of describing being in love". I don't think anyone needs some new innovative way of describing their emotions, the way that they're described already strikes a chord already, and besides, everyone knows that their best music usually comes accidentally and the lyrics that accompany the music just fit like that, it's best not to tamper with it. As a non-sequitor though, I just heard White Shadows on the radio, and that was super exciting.

01-06-2005, 07:29 PM	#9
Angst Coldplayer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 147 Location: Sam Houston Tollway Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I love his profound lyrics. It's like they don't make sense to anybody but himself. It's like a decoder ring.

01-06-2005, 07:52 PM	#10
Justine Coldplayer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9,653 Gender: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The lyrics in this song are not strong, they are really plain if you ask me. This track is pretty blah for me.

01-06-2005, 09:20 PM	#11
KiBa283 Coldplayer Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 16 Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by cafc4eva how cares about the lyrics? the riffs are great! "come on love stay with me" i love this song! I love the way the song sounds in general... agreed - but it'd just be nice if I could derive some actual meaning from it... you know? Heh... It's as if one second he's describing how he wishes he could go back to feeling how he felt when he was young or something, and then shifts to talking about someone getting what they wanted in some permanent state, while capping the song off by suddenly telling someone he loves to stay with him? I don't know... i'm trying to draw connections, but i'm finding it impossible to do so in this song. Any insight? Or am I just looking too damn hard? =/

01-06-2005, 09:25 PM	#12
colduser silver sleet and snow Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 8,131 My Mood: Location: west coast/florida Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'm usually more attracted to a song's melody and chord structure rather than the lyrics. White Shadows is a perfect example. Lyrics aren't necesarrily on point on this track but the music is. __________________ And the seeds that were silent all burst into bloom, and decay, and night comes so quiet, it's close on the heels of the day. Robert Hunter

03-06-2005, 06:01 AM	#13
ALR Coldplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 116 Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I get almost a struggle with the idea of spirituality or God (represented by little white shadows, impossiblities in and of themselves), plus a really cool little existential despair ("all this space I'm taking up," i.e. I'm not worth the air I breathe). So the struggle with belief in divinity, etc. is that the "sound" (spiritual inspiration/white shadows) that he listened for as a boy, when he had faith, is "breaking up" as he grows older. In other words, his faith is dimming. He finds an answer is in "the new sun rising." Or at least that's what I get from it. __________________ you swim like lions through the crest and bathe yourself in zebra flesh

03-06-2005, 09:07 AM	#14
johnny_t Coldplayer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,103 Location: desert island near greece :D Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	damn good idea^ __________________ Ghandi Said: [scroll:2e94a5761d]Be The Change You Want To See In The World![/scroll:2e94a5761d] Your skin, Oh yeah your skin and bones, Turn into something beautiful, And you know for you, I\'d bleed myself dry for you, I\'d bleed myself dry.

13-09-2005, 01:48 AM	#15
margaritan0salt Coldplayer Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 15 Location: NJ Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	on people saying that his lyrics on love are basic and uninteresting: who says you can't describe how you love someone in a non-complicated way. the best love is the love that isn't complicated. but very basic and simple and pure. as for the overall meaning of the song I don't think has to do with either God nor Love. I think it has to do with peace. If anything it's learning to love yourself and be happy. The world changes you as you age [You're part of the human race All of the stars in the outer space Part of a system plan]. Some people get bitter, some people hate themselves. Everything is different when you're a child [When I was a young boy I tried to listen And I wanna feel like that ]. You need to go through some hurdles before you find happiness within yourself and peace of mind. And when you finally get it, you never want to let go of it [Everything you ever wanted In a permanent state ]. __________________ \"Maybe you\'ll get what you wanted Maybe you\'ll stumble upon it Everything you ever wanted In a permanent state...\" ¤(¯`·._.·[ Jules ]·._.·´¯)¤