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HerosWelcome · 09-02-2011, 12:35 PM

I'd like U2 to return to the Joshua Tree "soul" they had - songs like Running To Stand Still / Red Hill Mining Town - I want them to write songs from their hearts, rather than throw away pop songs to get on Radio One (Elevation / Get On Yer Boots) - think they need to aim for the mass appeal of the Radio Two crowd now, rather than trying to be relevant to under 24s like they've consistently done until NLOTH.. Think Coldplay proved this with Viva La Vida.

coldplay_is_louve. · 09-02-2011, 01:43 PM

I loved NLOTH, but it really wasn't anything like the old sound. I'd love if they could get back to that.

MrMagpie · 09-02-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HerosWelcome;4699146
I'd like U2 to return to the Joshua Tree "soul" they had - songs like Running To Stand Still / Red Hill Mining Town - I want them to write songs from their hearts, rather than throw away pop songs to get on Radio One (Elevation / Get On Yer Boots) - think they need to aim for the mass appeal of the Radio Two crowd now, rather than trying to be relevant to under 24s like they've consistently done until NLOTH.. Think Coldplay proved this with Viva La Vida.

Did you listen to Cedars of Lebanon? Or Breathe? Moment of Surrender? Lots of soul on those tracks.

People need to shut up about their Joshua Tree nostalgia. That was over 20 years ago, ain't gonna happen again.

HerosWelcome · 09-02-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Briggins;4699221
Did you listen to Cedars of Lebanon? Or Breathe? Moment of Surrender? Lots of soul on those tracks.

People need to shut up about their Joshua Tree nostalgia. That was over 20 years ago, ain't gonna happen again.

Yes of course, but it was all a bit like they were trying too hard. I don't know. I can't put my finger on it. Moment Of Surrender is good / great admittedly, as is Magnificent. Oh and I now like the title track No Line On The Horizon. But that's about it.

coldplay_is_louve. · 09-02-2011, 03:51 PM

I personally loved Stand Up Comedy, even though I know that wasn't a favorite of NLOTH.

nancyk58 · 13-02-2011, 06:56 PM

BONO / BOER SONG

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12444061

13 February 2011 Last updated at 15:59 GMT

U2's BONO CRITICISED FOR ENDORSING SHOOT THE BOER SONG

The Irish pop star Bono has been criticised for apparently endorsing a song which includes the lyric: "Shoot the Boer".

The U2 frontman said the song, which was sung during the fight against apartheid, had its place, like music supporting the Irish Republican Army.

His comments came at the start of U2's tour of South Africa.

But callers to local radio stations said the song was designed to stir up racial hatred.

"That's hate speech. They don't know our history at all," said one caller to a South African radio talk show.

The song has been at the centre of a political storm in South Africa, with the controversial leader of South Africa's youth league, Julius Malema, locked in a legal battle with a white lobby group over whether it should be banned as hate speech.

Sometimes used as a derogatory term for white people, Boer is an Afrikaans word for farmer.

'Folk music'

In an interview with the South African Sunday Times, Bono said: "When I was a kid and I'd sing songs I remember my uncles singing... rebel songs about the early days of the Irish Republican Army."

He went on to sing a song whose lyrics spoke of carrying guns and readying them for action.

"We sang this and it's fair to say it's folk music," he told the newspaper.

But he said such songs should not be sung in the wrong context.

"Would you want to sing that in a certain community? It's pretty dumb," he said.

"It's about where and when you sing those songs. There's a rule for that kind of music."

Callers to local radio stations described the song as an example of hate speech.

South Africa's highest court is currently considering whether the song violates the rights of Afrikaners.

Since apartheid was banned in 1994, more than 3,000 white farmers have been murdered.

A committee of inquiry in 2003 found that only 2% of farm attacks had a political or racial motive, although critics said this figure was far too low.

It was into this political minefield that Bono has wandered, says BBC Africa analyst Martin Plaut, apparently unaware of the depth of feeling his remarks would stir up.

BBC News website readers from around the world have been sharing their thoughts on Bono's remarks:

I think Bono is right when he says about when and why and what context the song was written. It is very ignorant to say that it was made intentionally with hate in mind considering the history and background of U2. It is mentioned above that Bono and U2 do not know about South Africa history but I don't think the people that complain know where U2 come from either. David E, Salt Lake City, Utah, US

Bono instead of talking rubbish check your facts - I ashamed of you as an Irishman. I, along with thousands of true fans who started a call to bring you to Durban, will never support you or any of your music again. A bad move on your part. Avril Kotze, Durban, South Africa

This is the same as endorsing any other derogatory racist name that has been used in the past. Is this what U2 support, just because it is historical? What other racist names do they endorse and support? Is this a publicity stunt? If so, it is in its lowest form. Colin Money, Basingstoke, UK

We've heard quite enough from pretentious pop stars and this dangerous indiscretion illustrates how pathetically clueless these people are. Jack Gunter, La Manga, Spain

If his endorsement of this song leads to one more farmer's death, it would have undone all the good he has done over the years. Bono, you should come and live in the real South Africa, and not in your ivory towers and learn what life is like for ordinary South Africans, before you make comments like that. Shame on you Bono. Steve Newby, Cape Town, South Africa

It's fair to say Bono has stepped into a mess here and would have been better served by hiring some PR people who should have told him what to steer clear of during their tour in South Africa. Although Bono likes to think of himself as liberal-minded and politically conscious, he will make no friends and quite a few enemies trying to court favour with certain sections of the community. South African politics and society are still pretty polarised and it's fair to say in-depth reporting on issues does not often make its way to Europe. Simon O, Napier, South Africa

He is known for his self-righteous help to Africa which has often done more harm than good. He is talking about something of which he knows nothing at all, which is not at all unusual for him. It is amazing how drugs, sex and rock and roll make you a guru worth listening to. Jan du Plessis, Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates

This is a sheer idiocy on the part of a man who should know better. His attitude in the context of the difficulties faced by the Irish displays a sorry intellect. Ian King, Pretoria, South Africa

Really fed up with those singers who think of themselves as politicians. First, it's a depravation of music, second they don't know a thing about the situations they sing about. Chris, Paris, France

Having grown up on a cattle ranch in South Africa, I am aware of the atrocious behaviour of many Boer farmers towards their black farm workers. With that said, for Bono to include a song such as Shoot The Boer during his tour in Africa, it can only inflame the tenuous attitude between white and black citizens, that prevails to this day. Bono and U2 have helped ameliorate situations all over the world but this is a poor decision on his behalf. Michael Lamb, Warwick, US

alejolo · 14-02-2011, 08:17 PM

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While that's where the Gaga talk began and ended, the super-producer was more forthcoming with details about working with rock icons U2 on their next album. "I'm working with U2 and Bono and them. I'm a guitar player. I'm a musician," he explained. "A lot of people think RedOne is a synth guy, but I'm a guitar player, I'm a singer and all of that."

RedOne said that while the band's next album will sound distinctly U2, he revealed that he and the guys are also putting a new-millennium spin on the age-old formula. "I love producing. I love doing different styles, and with U2, it was like going back to when I was in a band, a rock band. The process is very special," he said. "It's a very unique process. It's futuristic, but it's still U2. U2 is U2."

Interview producer redone had a few days ago. He talked about new gagas single and working with U2

DEAD at people believing or thinking u2 might go back to Joshua days. They are working with jennifer Lopez , lady gagas producer LOL

I guess Bono wants this to be big

the_gloaming09 · 23-02-2011, 10:19 PM

Just announced that U2 is confirmed to be a headliner for Glastonbury on Friday night.

howyousawtheworld · 23-02-2011, 11:03 PM

Yep - The Edge announced it in a video at the NME Awards tonight.

http://www.nme.com/news/u2/55128

U2 + Coldplay playing on consecutive nights at the worlds biggest music festival! Never thought I'd see the day! Gutted I'm not going to be there. Once in a lifetime opportunity.

deaths_friend · 23-02-2011, 11:44 PM

now someone needs to make sure that Bono does no strenuous exercise between now and then.

Lore · 24-02-2011, 01:18 AM

U2 and Coldplay?

Today I saw this a few blocks away from home

nancyk58 · 24-02-2011, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lore;4722514
U2 and Coldplay?

Today I saw this a few blocks away from home

Something really nice to look forward to - only one month to go. I look forward to reading a short review afterwards. ENJOY!

Lore · 24-02-2011, 01:44 AM

I'll surely write one

Thanks

howyousawtheworld · 28-02-2011, 10:05 PM

I stuck on the remastered Unforgettable Fire again recently. What an absolutely beautiful creation and U2s most important album I feel which spurned The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby. The Joshua Tree is like the clean cut, incredibly successful daughter of The Unforgettable Fire. Achtung Baby meanwhile is the bastard lovechild of The Unforgettable Fire!

deaths_friend · 01-03-2011, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by howyousawtheworld;4727640
Achtung Baby meanwhile is the bastard lovechild of The Unforgettable Fire!

could you explain that? i would've thought Achtung baby would be the rebel in the family. the child you want to go to law school or med school but they end up becoming a graffiti artist instead.

09-02-2011, 01:43 PM	#6152
coldplay_is_louve. I'm Christina. Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 21,893 Location: Philly! Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 2 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts	I loved NLOTH, but it really wasn't anything like the old sound. I'd love if they could get back to that. __________________

09-02-2011, 02:30 PM	#6153
MrMagpie Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 26,887 Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by HerosWelcome;4699146 I'd like U2 to return to the Joshua Tree "soul" they had - songs like Running To Stand Still / Red Hill Mining Town - I want them to write songs from their hearts, rather than throw away pop songs to get on Radio One (Elevation / Get On Yer Boots) - think they need to aim for the mass appeal of the Radio Two crowd now, rather than trying to be relevant to under 24s like they've consistently done until NLOTH.. Think Coldplay proved this with Viva La Vida. Did you listen to Cedars of Lebanon? Or Breathe? Moment of Surrender? Lots of soul on those tracks. People need to shut up about their Joshua Tree nostalgia. That was over 20 years ago, ain't gonna happen again.

09-02-2011, 02:46 PM	#6154
HerosWelcome Coldplayer Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 10 Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Briggins;4699221 Did you listen to Cedars of Lebanon? Or Breathe? Moment of Surrender? Lots of soul on those tracks. People need to shut up about their Joshua Tree nostalgia. That was over 20 years ago, ain't gonna happen again. Yes of course, but it was all a bit like they were trying too hard. I don't know. I can't put my finger on it. Moment Of Surrender is good / great admittedly, as is Magnificent. Oh and I now like the title track No Line On The Horizon. But that's about it.

09-02-2011, 03:51 PM	#6155
coldplay_is_louve. I'm Christina. Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 21,893 Location: Philly! Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 2 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts	I personally loved Stand Up Comedy, even though I know that wasn't a favorite of NLOTH. __________________

13-02-2011, 06:56 PM	#6156
nancyk58 Coldplayer Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 31,288 My Mood: Location: Near Copenhagen Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 852 Thanked 184 Times in 134 Posts	BONO / BOER SONG BONO / BOER SONG http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12444061 13 February 2011 Last updated at 15:59 GMT U2's BONO CRITICISED FOR ENDORSING SHOOT THE BOER SONG The Irish pop star Bono has been criticised for apparently endorsing a song which includes the lyric: "Shoot the Boer". The U2 frontman said the song, which was sung during the fight against apartheid, had its place, like music supporting the Irish Republican Army. His comments came at the start of U2's tour of South Africa. But callers to local radio stations said the song was designed to stir up racial hatred. "That's hate speech. They don't know our history at all," said one caller to a South African radio talk show. The song has been at the centre of a political storm in South Africa, with the controversial leader of South Africa's youth league, Julius Malema, locked in a legal battle with a white lobby group over whether it should be banned as hate speech. Sometimes used as a derogatory term for white people, Boer is an Afrikaans word for farmer. 'Folk music' In an interview with the South African Sunday Times, Bono said: "When I was a kid and I'd sing songs I remember my uncles singing... rebel songs about the early days of the Irish Republican Army." He went on to sing a song whose lyrics spoke of carrying guns and readying them for action. "We sang this and it's fair to say it's folk music," he told the newspaper. But he said such songs should not be sung in the wrong context. "Would you want to sing that in a certain community? It's pretty dumb," he said. "It's about where and when you sing those songs. There's a rule for that kind of music." Callers to local radio stations described the song as an example of hate speech. South Africa's highest court is currently considering whether the song violates the rights of Afrikaners. Since apartheid was banned in 1994, more than 3,000 white farmers have been murdered. A committee of inquiry in 2003 found that only 2% of farm attacks had a political or racial motive, although critics said this figure was far too low. It was into this political minefield that Bono has wandered, says BBC Africa analyst Martin Plaut, apparently unaware of the depth of feeling his remarks would stir up. BBC News website readers from around the world have been sharing their thoughts on Bono's remarks: I think Bono is right when he says about when and why and what context the song was written. It is very ignorant to say that it was made intentionally with hate in mind considering the history and background of U2. It is mentioned above that Bono and U2 do not know about South Africa history but I don't think the people that complain know where U2 come from either. David E, Salt Lake City, Utah, US Bono instead of talking rubbish check your facts - I ashamed of you as an Irishman. I, along with thousands of true fans who started a call to bring you to Durban, will never support you or any of your music again. A bad move on your part. Avril Kotze, Durban, South Africa This is the same as endorsing any other derogatory racist name that has been used in the past. Is this what U2 support, just because it is historical? What other racist names do they endorse and support? Is this a publicity stunt? If so, it is in its lowest form. Colin Money, Basingstoke, UK We've heard quite enough from pretentious pop stars and this dangerous indiscretion illustrates how pathetically clueless these people are. Jack Gunter, La Manga, Spain If his endorsement of this song leads to one more farmer's death, it would have undone all the good he has done over the years. Bono, you should come and live in the real South Africa, and not in your ivory towers and learn what life is like for ordinary South Africans, before you make comments like that. Shame on you Bono. Steve Newby, Cape Town, South Africa It's fair to say Bono has stepped into a mess here and would have been better served by hiring some PR people who should have told him what to steer clear of during their tour in South Africa. Although Bono likes to think of himself as liberal-minded and politically conscious, he will make no friends and quite a few enemies trying to court favour with certain sections of the community. South African politics and society are still pretty polarised and it's fair to say in-depth reporting on issues does not often make its way to Europe. Simon O, Napier, South Africa He is known for his self-righteous help to Africa which has often done more harm than good. He is talking about something of which he knows nothing at all, which is not at all unusual for him. It is amazing how drugs, sex and rock and roll make you a guru worth listening to. Jan du Plessis, Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates This is a sheer idiocy on the part of a man who should know better. His attitude in the context of the difficulties faced by the Irish displays a sorry intellect. Ian King, Pretoria, South Africa Really fed up with those singers who think of themselves as politicians. First, it's a depravation of music, second they don't know a thing about the situations they sing about. Chris, Paris, France Having grown up on a cattle ranch in South Africa, I am aware of the atrocious behaviour of many Boer farmers towards their black farm workers. With that said, for Bono to include a song such as Shoot The Boer during his tour in Africa, it can only inflame the tenuous attitude between white and black citizens, that prevails to this day. Bono and U2 have helped ameliorate situations all over the world but this is a poor decision on his behalf. Michael Lamb, Warwick, US __________________ Roskilde 5 July 2009 Herning 16 August 2009 *HELP CHILE* AND HAITI by making DONATIONS to ONE OF THESE RELIEF ORGANIZATIONS:** BritishRedCross's CHILE Earthquake Appeal: http://www.redcross.org.uk/donatesection.asp?id=77029 www.oxfam.org.uk - www.redcross.org - www.unicef.org - www.icrc.org or Disasters Emergency Committee receiving donations made on phone 0370 60 60 900 + through website www.dec.org.uk. Go to www.oxfamamerica.org, or text OXFAM to 25383 to make a one-time $10 donation to Oxfam’s Haiti Earthquake Response Fund. Donations possible via text, phone or the "Hope for Haiti" Web site until July 2010 VIVA LA VIDA / VIVA COLDPLAYING.COM MAKE PEACE - NOT WAR !!

09-02-2011, 12:35 PM	#6151
HerosWelcome Coldplayer Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 10 Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'd like U2 to return to the Joshua Tree "soul" they had - songs like Running To Stand Still / Red Hill Mining Town - I want them to write songs from their hearts, rather than throw away pop songs to get on Radio One (Elevation / Get On Yer Boots) - think they need to aim for the mass appeal of the Radio Two crowd now, rather than trying to be relevant to under 24s like they've consistently done until NLOTH.. Think Coldplay proved this with Viva La Vida.

14-02-2011, 08:17 PM	#6157
alejolo Coldplayer Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 438 Location: Rolling in the deep Gender: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	: Quote: While that's where the Gaga talk began and ended, the super-producer was more forthcoming with details about working with rock icons U2 on their next album. "I'm working with U2 and Bono and them. I'm a guitar player. I'm a musician," he explained. "A lot of people think RedOne is a synth guy, but I'm a guitar player, I'm a singer and all of that." RedOne said that while the band's next album will sound distinctly U2, he revealed that he and the guys are also putting a new-millennium spin on the age-old formula. "I love producing. I love doing different styles, and with U2, it was like going back to when I was in a band, a rock band. The process is very special," he said. "It's a very unique process. It's futuristic, but it's still U2. U2 is U2." Interview producer redone had a few days ago. He talked about new gagas single and working with U2 DEAD at people believing or thinking u2 might go back to Joshua days. They are working with jennifer Lopez , lady gagas producer LOL I guess Bono wants this to be big __________________

23-02-2011, 10:19 PM	#6158
the_gloaming09 Feral Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 11,936 My Mood: Location: NY Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 39 Thanked 38 Times in 26 Posts	Just announced that U2 is confirmed to be a headliner for Glastonbury on Friday night. __________________ I'm not yours. You're not mine. That's just fine. Please. Don't. Judge. My Blog Facebook Twitter

23-02-2011, 11:03 PM	#6159
howyousawtheworld Coldplayer Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,753 Location: Scotland Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 13 Thanked 52 Times in 31 Posts	Yep - The Edge announced it in a video at the NME Awards tonight. http://www.nme.com/news/u2/55128 U2 + Coldplay playing on consecutive nights at the worlds biggest music festival! Never thought I'd see the day! Gutted I'm not going to be there. Once in a lifetime opportunity.

23-02-2011, 11:44 PM	#6160
deaths_friend Man Utd 2011 Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,954 Location: sydney Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	now someone needs to make sure that Bono does no strenuous exercise between now and then. __________________ COMPLETE FESTIVAL GUIDE 2011

24-02-2011, 01:18 AM	#6161
Lore Coldplayer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 53,460 My Mood: Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 8 Thanked 31 Times in 28 Posts	U2 and Coldplay? Today I saw this a few blocks away from home

24-02-2011, 01:34 AM	#6162
nancyk58 Coldplayer Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 31,288 My Mood: Location: Near Copenhagen Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 852 Thanked 184 Times in 134 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Lore;4722514 U2 and Coldplay? Today I saw this a few blocks away from home Something really nice to look forward to - only one month to go. I look forward to reading a short review afterwards. ENJOY! __________________ Roskilde 5 July 2009 Herning 16 August 2009 *HELP CHILE* AND HAITI by making DONATIONS to ONE OF THESE RELIEF ORGANIZATIONS:** BritishRedCross's CHILE Earthquake Appeal: http://www.redcross.org.uk/donatesection.asp?id=77029 www.oxfam.org.uk - www.redcross.org - www.unicef.org - www.icrc.org or Disasters Emergency Committee receiving donations made on phone 0370 60 60 900 + through website www.dec.org.uk. Go to www.oxfamamerica.org, or text OXFAM to 25383 to make a one-time $10 donation to Oxfam’s Haiti Earthquake Response Fund. Donations possible via text, phone or the "Hope for Haiti" Web site until July 2010 VIVA LA VIDA / VIVA COLDPLAYING.COM MAKE PEACE - NOT WAR !!

24-02-2011, 01:44 AM	#6163
Lore Coldplayer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 53,460 My Mood: Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 8 Thanked 31 Times in 28 Posts	I'll surely write one Thanks

28-02-2011, 10:05 PM	#6164
howyousawtheworld Coldplayer Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 6,753 Location: Scotland Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 13 Thanked 52 Times in 31 Posts	I stuck on the remastered Unforgettable Fire again recently. What an absolutely beautiful creation and U2s most important album I feel which spurned The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby. The Joshua Tree is like the clean cut, incredibly successful daughter of The Unforgettable Fire. Achtung Baby meanwhile is the bastard lovechild of The Unforgettable Fire!

01-03-2011, 12:06 AM	#6165
deaths_friend Man Utd 2011 Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,954 Location: sydney Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by howyousawtheworld;4727640 Achtung Baby meanwhile is the bastard lovechild of The Unforgettable Fire! could you explain that? i would've thought Achtung baby would be the rebel in the family. the child you want to go to law school or med school but they end up becoming a graffiti artist instead. __________________ COMPLETE FESTIVAL GUIDE 2011

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