The Official Club Football 2012/13 thread

[bart]

yes Samir you made billions proud

[howyousawtheworld]

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Originally Posted by Petit Prince;5389138
They've all done amazingly well at what they're doing. Fair enough, you might wanna compare winning a gold medal at the Olympics to winning the World Cup but surely this doesn't make football a lesser sport?

I don't get the comparison at all. Team GB have been extremely successful whereas England failed to impress at the European Championship (and the football team at the Olympics) therefore footballers are useless and overpaid? What about Spain then?

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I haven't mentioned that the failures of England equate to making them useless and overpaid. England's failure comes out of a mental weakness and a failure to adapt to scientific methods. This is straying away from my initial point but the idea that "English bulldog spirit" that English fans, media and coaches believe will get them through tournaments is the biggest myth/pile of shit ever.

Football is a team game. Therefore I see the profiles and statuses of the individual players as incredibly excessive which has corrupted the image of the game. For the relatively little work they do week in and week out it's pathetic. The average person in society cannot relate to people like them. But they can relate to our Olympians.

[howyousawtheworld]

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Originally Posted by bart;5389160


yes Samir you made billions proud

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**** of the highest order.

[bart]

So I am slagged of for being proud of someone who shared their special moment on their special day , which made it special for everyone.... no need

[Petit Prince]

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Originally Posted by howyousawtheworld;5389189
I haven't mentioned that the failures of England equate to making them useless and overpaid. England's failure comes out of a mental weakness and a failure to adapt to scientific methods. This is straying away from my initial point but the idea that "English bulldog spirit" that English fans, media and coaches believe will get them through tournaments is the biggest myth/pile of shit ever.

Football is a team game. Therefore I see the profiles and statuses of the individual players as incredibly excessive which has corrupted the image of the game. For the relatively little work they do week in and week out it's pathetic. The average person in society cannot relate to people like them. But they can relate to our Olympians.

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Fair enough, you didn't mention it but surely that's why we're having this discussion (in the media I mean, can't talk about you personally). Your second point definitely wouldn't be valid if England had won the European Championship though, everybody would be talking about it at the end of the year... and in a few year's time.

It may be unfair that footballers get paid a lot more than Olympians, who train just as hard but this isn't really their fault. You could argue the same about golfers, tennis players and F1 drivers. There will always be sports that attract more sponsorship money but the fact that there was a huge interest in the Olympics this year will hopefully change this to some extent.

[howyousawtheworld]

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Originally Posted by bart;5389382
So I am slagged of for being proud of someone who shared their special moment on their special day , which made it special for everyone.... no need

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Not you. Just Samir Nasri. Can't stand that guy.

[howyousawtheworld]

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Originally Posted by Petit Prince;5389434
Fair enough, you didn't mention it but surely that's why we're having this discussion (in the media I mean, can't talk about you personally). Your second point definitely wouldn't be valid if England had won the European Championship though, everybody would be talking about it at the end of the year... and in a few year's time.

It may be unfair that footballers get paid a lot more than Olympians, who train just as hard but this isn't really their fault. You could argue the same about golfers, tennis players and F1 drivers. There will always be sports that attract more sponsorship money but the fact that there was a huge interest in the Olympics this year will hopefully change this to some extent.

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While people would be talking about England winning the Euro's we still wouldn't be able to relate to those players simply because of the lifestyle they lead. Mo Farah, Jess Ennis and co do not lead excessive lifestyles like they do and largely do a lot of their good work away from the public eye. But more importantly is they don't act in a way that is repulsive like footballer's do on and off the field.

I would say tennis players and f1 drivers work a great deal harder than footballers and are much more worthy of their money. Yet like footballers, they get cameras following them everywhere but don't act like dickheads.

[Reilly]

^I didn't notice your original response to mine, and there's been a few since that so I'm not sure what to quote.

But I have noticed a few articles about the 'let down' of the return of the Premier League in comparison to the highs, and Lineker made a reference to it on MoTD, and I find it an incredibly silly attempt at seeking negativity. Like Petit Prince said it's pretty ridiculous to compare the two, its like saying a new series of your favourite show will be disappointing because the Dark Knight was such an epic film, they are in 2 completely different brackets and I don't know why you'd even put them together.

Also I'm finding the broad sweeping generalisations of all footballers as pure mindless idiots who don't lift a finger, from the top to the bottom of any league including the Premier League is mainly professionals who at some stage have worked hard to get where they are, and for those trying to break into any first time are definitely still working hard. Of course the ones who stand out in the media and because of their natural talent, on the pitch, are often the most overpaid with the largest egos, if you want that to ruin your enjoyment then that's your choice. Either you're overestimating the amount of work Olympians put in, or underestimating the amount of work footballers put in, Jessica Ennis doesn't train 40 hours a week and Balotelli doesn't just run about a pitch as a sub for a half hour every fortnight. Can we compare the amount of training they both do? Well no, that's because this whole thing is ridiculous and I don't know why we're comparing them in the first place.

The Olympics lasts only a few short weeks, and yet is always incredible and packed full of amazing moments, but it ends, and life goes on. Part of the reason its so great is because it only comes along every 4 years for those few short weeks, for me I don't understand why that has to mean anything that follows is going to be a disappointment, especially after a pretty incredible opening weekend, and I understand even less why you'd judge it as a let down before it even began.

[Reilly]

Fellaini with an unstoppable leap to make it 1-0 Everton, after City's comeback yesterday already an early big test for United to prove they can do the same. Everton have been great though, well deserved lead.

[howyousawtheworld]

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Originally Posted by Reilly;5389666
^I didn't notice your original response to mine, and there's been a few since that so I'm not sure what to quote.

But I have noticed a few articles about the 'let down' of the return of the Premier League in comparison to the highs, and Lineker made a reference to it on MoTD, and I find it an incredibly silly attempt at seeking negativity. Like Petit Prince said it's pretty ridiculous to compare the two, its like saying a new series of your favourite show will be disappointing because the Dark Knight was such an epic film, they are in 2 completely different brackets and I don't know why you'd even put them together.

Also I'm finding the broad sweeping generalisations of all footballers as pure mindless idiots who don't lift a finger, from the top to the bottom of any league including the Premier League is mainly professionals who at some stage have worked hard to get where they are, and for those trying to break into any first time are definitely still working hard. Of course the ones who stand out in the media and because of their natural talent, on the pitch, are often the most overpaid with the largest egos, if you want that to ruin your enjoyment then that's your choice. Either you're overestimating the amount of work Olympians put in, or underestimating the amount of work footballers put in, Jessica Ennis doesn't train 40 hours a week and Balotelli doesn't just run about a pitch as a sub for a half hour every fortnight. Can we compare the amount of training they both do? Well no, that's because this whole thing is ridiculous and I don't know why we're comparing them in the first place.

The Olympics lasts only a few short weeks, and yet is always incredible and packed full of amazing moments, but it ends, and life goes on. Part of the reason its so great is because it only comes along every 4 years for those few short weeks, for me I don't understand why that has to mean anything that follows is going to be a disappointment, especially after a pretty incredible opening weekend, and I understand even less why you'd judge it as a let down before it even began.

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"Incredible opening weekend and Before it even began"?

I'm not prejudging the season ahead. Perhaps you're opinion of footballers and the Premier League stands higher than mine. Well, not perhaps, it is clear. It is great and addictive at times because it's great theatre as displayed by Man City's last gasp heroics at the end of last season. But this isn't a "who can produce the most dramatic moment" competition. This is an image problem I'm talking about.

[Reilly]

Yes you said it was going to be a let down before the thing even started, since then the weekend has come and gone.

I wouldn't say my opinion of footballers is very high on a general scale and I recognise that among the top players (Both talent and money wise) we are lacking some idols, I just think you're being particularly harsh in painting every aspect of them as literally 'repulsive' because they don't match up to your golden gods at the Olympics. So yes of course I have a higher opinion of generally every top footballer, I think this general stigma that follows footballers around that all of them are overpaid, lazy, womanising idiots is clearly unfair, and people like you who generalise like this only add to that image of the modern day footballer that you hate so much.

Maybe I have a higher opinion of them, it'd be impossible to have a lower opinion of them then yourself, or maybe I'm just being reasonable.

[howyousawtheworld]

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Originally Posted by Reilly;5389930
Yes you said it was going to be a let down before the thing even started, since then the weekend has come and gone.

I wouldn't say my opinion of footballers is very high on a general scale and I recognise that among the top players (Both talent and money wise) we are lacking some idols, I just think you're being particularly harsh in painting every aspect of them as literally 'repulsive' because they don't match up to your golden gods at the Olympics. So yes of course I have a higher opinion of generally every top footballer, I think this general stigma that follows footballers around that all of them are overpaid, lazy, womanising idiots is clearly unfair, and people like you who generalise like this only add to that image of the modern day footballer that you hate so much.

Maybe I have a higher opinion of them, it'd be impossible to have a lower opinion of them then yourself, or maybe I'm just being reasonable.

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I'm just not as passive when it comes to issues like these. I think it's totally fair to regard the action of some footballers as repulsive. However I do not think all are like that. My favourite ever player is also one of my top sport stars - Dirk Kuyt. I'm sure there are many other players like Dirk but they are sadly overshadowed by many of their fellow players like John Terry, Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney etc.

And of course the Premier League is a let down in comparison to the Olympics. It offers some fantastic matches but it doesn't match the hype it deserves. Not even Man City's last gasp heroics can match the likes of Mo Farah winning gold or even (just to prove it isn't just the Olympics) Bradley Wiggins winning the Tour de France. It's billed as the be all and end all it seems. It isn't though. We were definitely reminded of that this summer.

[busybeeburns]

Emmanuel Adebayor completes £5m move to Tottenham

Emmanuel Adebayor has completed a £5m move to Tottenham Hotspur from Manchester City.

The Togo striker impressed during a loan spell with Spurs last season, scoring 17 Premier League goals.

Adebayor will be among the top-earners at White Hart Lane, but City will subsidise the 28-year-old's wage, having paid him £175,000 per week.

The former Arsenal man revealed the news on Twitter: "Tottenham here I come! I'm hungry for goals. Get ready."

Adebayor had two years to run on his City contract, having been sent out on loan for most of the previous two seasons to Real Madrid and then Spurs.

"I am pleased to be signing for Spurs on a permanent basis after finally agreeing my departure with Manchester City," Adebayor added.

"It may have taken longer than expected but I am delighted to be back at Tottenham Hotspur. I really enjoyed my time here last season and I am hoping we can achieve great things together again."

It is understood Spurs refused to break their strict wage structure to accommodate Adebayor. But with the player refusing to accept a big pay-cut, the Premier League champions were forced to accept having to continue to pay the player the difference between his new wage of around £80,000 and his earnings at City in order to complete the deal.

The development completes a protracted saga, which has dragged on throughout the summer after a disagreement over Adebayor's right to a loyalty bonus pay-off from City.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19334854

[busybeeburns]

So if this is right City continue to pay more per week to Adebayor than Spurs will for the next two years. And lose £15m from the original transfer. Just goes to show they have more money than sense!

[Reilly]

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Originally Posted by howyousawtheworld;5390363
I'm just not as passive when it comes to issues like these. I think it's totally fair to regard the action of some footballers as repulsive. However I do not think all are like that. My favourite ever player is also one of my top sport stars - Dirk Kuyt. I'm sure there are many other players like Dirk but they are sadly overshadowed by many of their fellow players like John Terry, Cristiano Ronaldo, Wayne Rooney etc.

And of course the Premier League is a let down in comparison to the Olympics. It offers some fantastic matches but it doesn't match the hype it deserves. Not even Man City's last gasp heroics can match the likes of Mo Farah winning gold or even (just to prove it isn't just the Olympics) Bradley Wiggins winning the Tour de France. It's billed as the be all and end all it seems. It isn't though. We were definitely reminded of that this summer.

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It's so odd that my point from the start was that it's ridiculous for you, or the other journalists whos articles I've read over the weekend, to compare the Olympics with football, and you've completely missed the point of that, and you continue to do so. Yes of course the Premier League doesn't compare to the Olympics, so why are you comparing it? The World Cup or Euro's don't compare to the start of the football season, does anyone ever compare them? Does that put it in perspective how stupid your argument is? If the Premiership hype is the be all and end all, are you actually suggesting there's less fuss over the Olympics?

And now, after countlessly telling you that it's so pointless comparing the two, because they are in two completely different spheres, you now bring in cycling in an attempt to actually prove your point further. I think I've had enough of this complete nonsense.

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Originally Posted by busybeeburns;5390452
So if this is right City continue to pay more per week to Adebayor than Spurs will for the next two years. And lose £15m from the original transfer. Just goes to show they have more money than sense!

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It would be impossible to have more sense then they have money, but if they had Rangers money it would at least be debatable.