Coldplay's Promoter Sold 9000 Tickets Through Legal Touts? (C4 Dispatches Documentary - 23 Feb 2012)- - Page 2

fakfak · 29-02-2012, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Corkus;5238537
Yep. Often times you can find tickets for specific numbered seats on 3rd party sites like Stubhub before those shows even go on sale, and that includes special presales. So it's not like it's only no-name scalpers trying to scalp off the regular sale. Promoters (both the band promoters and the venue ones) often already have tickets on these sites available before the public can purchase them through TM/LN.

While I'm speaking from experience in the U.S., this seems to be a worldwide problem. It's why I prefer when bands sell tickets through their own websites.

Except that all but the biggest bands don't have the cache to flout promotors (and with the amount of promotion needed for major tours these days, even then it's questionable.) LiveNation controls, either through ownership or management, around half of all U.S. Concert venues, more in major markets and with larger sized venues. They're not going to let bands undercut their percentage of the resale market.

MX&Yellow · 29-02-2012, 05:07 AM

Thanks for sharing those links !!!

In France they recently voted a law against this... http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/artic...5872_3234.html

Wintergreen · 29-02-2012, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by fakfak;5238529
Numerous bands have tried, usually without much success, to work around these types of scams. Even the biggest bands need the assistance of a promotor to tour effectively, amd with the promotion side of the touring bussiness becoming ever more consolidated into a few mega entities (LiveNation etc.), everyone's more or less at their mercy.

Blergh. That sucks. Stupid monopolies.

But hey, as someone noted, France managed to do something about it, so I'd like to think there's still hope to change it somehow.

fakfak · 29-02-2012, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Wintergreen;5238589
Blergh. That sucks. Stupid monopolies.

But hey, as someone noted, France managed to do something about it, so I'd like to think there's still hope to change it somehow.

Having a law and enforcing it are two different things. After all, these scams are, in essence, work arounds for the anti-touting laws already in place in most countries.

coldplaymom · 29-02-2012, 08:53 AM

Thanks for the links. Simply outrageous. No matter how much I love Coldplay, I'm never going to line these scambags' pockets with my hard earned money. Now that they've been exposed in this way, I hope bands can put their foot down and do something about it.

Kristal Siderglace · 29-02-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by coldplaymom;5238639
Thanks for the links. Simply outrageous. No matter how much I love Coldplay, I'm never going to line these scambags' pockets with my hard earned money. Now that they've been exposed in this way, I hope bands can put their foot down and do something about it.

Exactly. I prefer don't go to see Coldplay than give my money to this people.

fakfak · 29-02-2012, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by coldplaymom;5238639
Thanks for the links. Simply outrageous. No matter how much I love Coldplay, I'm never going to line these scambags' pockets with my hard earned money. Now that they've been exposed in this way, I hope bands can put their foot down and do something about it.

Not paying for tickets on the secondary market is the best thing anyone can do. These scams exist (as does all touting) because there is a big market for touted tickets. As the documentary said, there are even some people who view these sights as a way to get prime tickets with less hassle. As long as the market is so large, there will always be people willing to cater to it.

29-02-2012, 04:40 AM	#16
fakfak Coldplayer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,914 My Mood: Location: Illinois Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 142 Thanked 94 Times in 79 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Corkus;5238537 Yep. Often times you can find tickets for specific numbered seats on 3rd party sites like Stubhub before those shows even go on sale, and that includes special presales. So it's not like it's only no-name scalpers trying to scalp off the regular sale. Promoters (both the band promoters and the venue ones) often already have tickets on these sites available before the public can purchase them through TM/LN. While I'm speaking from experience in the U.S., this seems to be a worldwide problem. It's why I prefer when bands sell tickets through their own websites. Except that all but the biggest bands don't have the cache to flout promotors (and with the amount of promotion needed for major tours these days, even then it's questionable.) LiveNation controls, either through ownership or management, around half of all U.S. Concert venues, more in major markets and with larger sized venues. They're not going to let bands undercut their percentage of the resale market.

29-02-2012, 05:24 AM	#18
Wintergreen In my own happy paradise Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,331 Location: The plains of Iowa Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 17 Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by fakfak;5238529 Numerous bands have tried, usually without much success, to work around these types of scams. Even the biggest bands need the assistance of a promotor to tour effectively, amd with the promotion side of the touring bussiness becoming ever more consolidated into a few mega entities (LiveNation etc.), everyone's more or less at their mercy. Blergh. That sucks. Stupid monopolies. But hey, as someone noted, France managed to do something about it, so I'd like to think there's still hope to change it somehow. __________________ "And tell me you love me Come back and haunt me" "Lights will guide you home..." Fri., August 10th, 2012 Xcel Energy Center St. Paul, MN

29-02-2012, 05:35 AM	#19
fakfak Coldplayer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,914 My Mood: Location: Illinois Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 142 Thanked 94 Times in 79 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Wintergreen;5238589 Blergh. That sucks. Stupid monopolies. But hey, as someone noted, France managed to do something about it, so I'd like to think there's still hope to change it somehow. Having a law and enforcing it are two different things. After all, these scams are, in essence, work arounds for the anti-touting laws already in place in most countries.

29-02-2012, 02:20 PM	#21
Kristal Siderglace The Cotton Candy Girl Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,722 My Mood: Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 189 Thanked 390 Times in 243 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by coldplaymom;5238639 Thanks for the links. Simply outrageous. No matter how much I love Coldplay, I'm never going to line these scambags' pockets with my hard earned money. Now that they've been exposed in this way, I hope bands can put their foot down and do something about it. Exactly. I prefer don't go to see Coldplay than give my money to this people. __________________ Member of the Cake Brigade Facebook Twitter Fotolog deviantART Tumblr Quote: Originally Posted by TracieMorgan Coldplaying Dot Com: Making most foods impossible to eat without a silly grin since 2002.

29-02-2012, 09:32 PM	#22
fakfak Coldplayer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,914 My Mood: Location: Illinois Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 142 Thanked 94 Times in 79 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by coldplaymom;5238639 Thanks for the links. Simply outrageous. No matter how much I love Coldplay, I'm never going to line these scambags' pockets with my hard earned money. Now that they've been exposed in this way, I hope bands can put their foot down and do something about it. Not paying for tickets on the secondary market is the best thing anyone can do. These scams exist (as does all touting) because there is a big market for touted tickets. As the documentary said, there are even some people who view these sights as a way to get prime tickets with less hassle. As long as the market is so large, there will always be people willing to cater to it.

29-02-2012, 05:07 AM	#17
MX&Yellow Ladder To The Sun ♫ Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 447 My Mood: Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 668 Thanked 27 Times in 17 Posts	Thanks for sharing those links !!! In France they recently voted a law against this... http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/artic...5872_3234.html

29-02-2012, 08:53 AM	#20
coldplaymom Coldplayer Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 4,369 Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 302 Thanked 416 Times in 227 Posts	Thanks for the links. Simply outrageous. No matter how much I love Coldplay, I'm never going to line these scambags' pockets with my hard earned money. Now that they've been exposed in this way, I hope bands can put their foot down and do something about it.