Princess of China's melody fits completely into Hurts Like Heaven's - Page 2

pansonic · 20-08-2011, 05:23 AM

I'm kind of liking the 'lalala' part.

Strawberry Swinger · 20-08-2011, 09:33 AM

THANK YOU! I thought the same about these songs but didn't wanna burst anyone's bubble...They do have similar melodies really. And Lost and Lovers in Japan have the same chord progression in some parts btw. But that's normal I guess.

Samuel_94 · 20-08-2011, 09:52 AM

haha i never noticed this

princesanji · 20-08-2011, 10:02 AM

okay i have both in my ears kinda, but i'm not listening to them, but:
yes i must agree, they do show similarities! maybe check the key etc...

prjio307 · 20-08-2011, 04:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Strawberry Swinger;4933790
THANK YOU! I thought the same about these songs but didn't wanna burst anyone's bubble...They do have similar melodies really. And Lost and Lovers in Japan have the same chord progression in some parts btw. But that's normal I guess.

The chorus of Lovers in Japan ("they are turning" etc...) is also the same chord progression as The Scientist in a different key and tempo. This sort of thing happens all the time. Amazing how many different-sounding songs you can make with one chord progression.

The Doctor · 20-08-2011, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by macky;4933695
Okay, the new version is decent.
But am I the only one who thinks that Chris sang "lalalalalalala" because I forgot the lyrics?

I like the lalalalalalalala but I see your point there

RedBalloon · 21-08-2011, 12:09 PM

Would that be natural for a writer to just have some similar but not exact same notes/patterns to express a certain kind of emotion; thus it is reflected in several songs. Another thing in composition I guess, there might be a main/original inspiration/melody first, then you can develop it into different directions or versions. It would be very cool that a song and its reversible one can express different things.

Not to make you disappointed, and I do like the idea a song can somehow gives clues of another - like a hidden link connecting all the songs in one concept album. Sometimes, lyrics can do a better job. But if it is intentional, two melodies can be sensed as a reciprocated pair if not exactly the same.

ColdplayingfromKansas · 21-08-2011, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by editor42;4934083
I like the lalalalalalalala but I see your point there

Same here, although maybe Chris hadn't finished writing the song yet and was just filling in the gaps? (another reason why they could have decided to stop playing it live)

MosesTheMarshmallow · 21-08-2011, 05:03 PM

Honestly, I don't hear it at all. My understanding of the song is not thorough, but here's what we have:

POC:
Am - Dm or Am - Cmaj7 - Dm (main riff, verses)
C - Dm (the you could be a princess part)
Dm - G - Am (lalalala)
Am - G - possibly a Dm - Am (outro)

Up a half step?
Bbm - Dbm...etc

HLH:
Bb - Eb (verse)
F - Eb - Bb (prechorus)
Bb - Eb (instrumental bit)
F - Eb - Bb (chorus)
Bb - Eb (solo)
So on...
F - Eb - Bb - Dm - Eb - Bb (the whoa oah part)
Bb - Eb (outro)

Basically, neat idea. But no, I completely disagree with you rafael.

ON THE OTHER HAND, POC has some of the same lyrical structures, like the "got to go, got to go" vs "it's so cold so cold".

Oh and yes, LIJ and Lost are pretty similar based ONLY on chord progression. But chord patterns get pretty similar in rock music.

Dany93 · 21-08-2011, 05:25 PM

^ I totally agree (also about the chords

). Inside an album the most likely is to find songs with similar features, it happens to every band and singer... It's normal that if you write songs in the same months they'll probably have some similarities, and it also depends on the style you want to create for the album.

rafaelchampion · 21-08-2011, 06:36 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by MosesTheMarshmallow;4935890
Honestly, I don't hear it at all. My understanding of the song is not thorough, but here's what we have:

POC:
Am - Dm or Am - Cmaj7 - Dm (main riff, verses)
C - Dm (the you could be a princess part)
Dm - G - Am (lalalala)
Am - G - possibly a Dm - Am (outro)

Up a half step?
Bbm - Dbm...etc

HLH:
Bb - Eb (verse)
F - Eb - Bb (prechorus)
Bb - Eb (instrumental bit)
F - Eb - Bb (chorus)
Bb - Eb (solo)
So on...
F - Eb - Bb - Dm - Eb - Bb (the whoa oah part)
Bb - Eb (outro)

Basically, neat idea. But no, I completely disagree with you rafael.

ON THE OTHER HAND, POC has some of the same lyrical structures, like the "got to go, got to go" vs "it's so cold so cold".

Oh and yes, LIJ and Lost are pretty similar based ONLY on chord progression. But chord patterns get pretty similar in rock music.

Don't try to transcript the notes. Just sing one song over the other and you'll se what I'm talking about. Sing Princess of China on Hurts Like Heaven.
And if someone misunderstood me, I didn't mean Chris ran out of creativity at all. I just like how we can create 2 absolutely different songs with the same progression.

rafaelchampion · 21-08-2011, 07:13 PM

This:
http://www.mediafire.com/?01ljt7854pgft1f
is what I mean.
(This is an attempt to put Princess of China's Lyrics on Hurts Like Heaven. Please don't pay attention at the quality, but how we can put the lyrics of one song in the other)

Stv · 21-08-2011, 11:06 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by macky;4933695
Okay, the new version is decent.
But am I the only one who thinks that Chris sang "lalalalalalala" because he forgot the lyrics?

No, I think the same

Stv · 21-08-2011, 11:10 PM

Hurts Like Heaven is happy and PoC is sad

btw, there's a lot of coldplay songs with similar chord progression or melody or something. I won't make a complete analysis.

Lost !/? and The Scientist
Clocks and Speed Of Sound
Life In Technicolor II and Charlie Brown

20-08-2011, 09:33 AM	#17
Strawberry Swinger Coldplayer Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,391 My Mood: Location: Nis Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 2 Thanked 23 Times in 15 Posts	THANK YOU! I thought the same about these songs but didn't wanna burst anyone's bubble...They do have similar melodies really. And Lost and Lovers in Japan have the same chord progression in some parts btw. But that's normal I guess. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by RegulusBlack;4975654 ^Whateva Lory, please post your opinions in your mother tongue, I swear we will understand more than when you post in this English of yours. Quote: Originally Posted by nvdmm;5314172 oh dear me you know what i hate?! when some people are so blinded by their love for the band that even if they came out one day murdering puppies you would justify it somehow. (they havent done anything that terrible here im just sayin)

20-08-2011, 04:01 PM	#20
prjio307 Red Nocturne Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 222 Location: Buffalo, New York Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by Strawberry Swinger;4933790 THANK YOU! I thought the same about these songs but didn't wanna burst anyone's bubble...They do have similar melodies really. And Lost and Lovers in Japan have the same chord progression in some parts btw. But that's normal I guess. The chorus of Lovers in Japan ("they are turning" etc...) is also the same chord progression as The Scientist in a different key and tempo. This sort of thing happens all the time. Amazing how many different-sounding songs you can make with one chord progression. __________________ If at first you don't succeed, you must not be prjio307

20-08-2011, 04:12 PM	#21
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ColdplayingfromKansas All those clumsy things Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 8,860 Location: Kansas Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 2 Thanked 14 Times in 9 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by editor42;4934083 I like the lalalalalalalala but I see your point there Same here, although maybe Chris hadn't finished writing the song yet and was just filling in the gaps? (another reason why they could have decided to stop playing it live) __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by editor42;5233602 now I just do weird things in the middle of the street

20-08-2011, 05:23 AM	#16
pansonic Coldplayer Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 374 Location: Ufa Gender: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 41 Thanked 13 Times in 9 Posts	I'm kind of liking the 'lalala' part.

20-08-2011, 09:52 AM	#18
Samuel_94 Car Kid Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 3,297 My Mood: Location: Violet Hill Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	haha i never noticed this

20-08-2011, 10:02 AM	#19
princesanji Coldplayer Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,346 My Mood: Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	okay i have both in my ears kinda, but i'm not listening to them, but: yes i must agree, they do show similarities! maybe check the key etc...

21-08-2011, 05:03 PM	#24
MosesTheMarshmallow Coldplayer Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 721 My Mood: Location: Strawberry Swings Forever Gender: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 3 Thanked 24 Times in 20 Posts	Honestly, I don't hear it at all. My understanding of the song is not thorough, but here's what we have: POC: Am - Dm or Am - Cmaj7 - Dm (main riff, verses) C - Dm (the you could be a princess part) Dm - G - Am (lalalala) Am - G - possibly a Dm - Am (outro) Up a half step? Bbm - Dbm...etc HLH: Bb - Eb (verse) F - Eb - Bb (prechorus) Bb - Eb (instrumental bit) F - Eb - Bb (chorus) Bb - Eb (solo) So on... F - Eb - Bb - Dm - Eb - Bb (the whoa oah part) Bb - Eb (outro) Basically, neat idea. But no, I completely disagree with you rafael. ON THE OTHER HAND, POC has some of the same lyrical structures, like the "got to go, got to go" vs "it's so cold so cold". Oh and yes, LIJ and Lost are pretty similar based ONLY on chord progression. But chord patterns get pretty similar in rock music. __________________ Quote: Originally Posted by kover;4892162 y=mx+b

21-08-2011, 05:25 PM	#25
Dany93 Cake Brigade Member! Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 4,014 My Mood: Location: In my imaginative London - Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 927 Thanked 306 Times in 165 Posts	^ I totally agree (also about the chords ). Inside an album the most likely is to find songs with similar features, it happens to every band and singer... It's normal that if you write songs in the same months they'll probably have some similarities, and it also depends on the style you want to create for the album. __________________ Keeper of: "If you never try, you'll never know just what you're worth"; The "Goodbye and goodnight" Chris says at the end of every concert; "And I'm up here holding on to all those chandeliers of hope"; Chris speaking Italian; "As we soar walls every siren is a symphony and every tear's a waterfall"; "So you can hurt, hurt me bad, but still I'll raise the flag"; Chris's blue watch; Chris's colourful piano (2011); Coldplay @: HJF 09/06/11 - Nice 22/05/12. PEACE & BUCKIN LOVE Tumblr

21-08-2011, 06:36 PM	#26
rafaelchampion Shhhhhhhhhhhhh Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,989 My Mood: Location: Silencia Gender: Fav. CP album: VLVODAAHF Fav. CP member: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 29 Thanked 111 Times in 43 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by MosesTheMarshmallow;4935890 Honestly, I don't hear it at all. My understanding of the song is not thorough, but here's what we have: POC: Am - Dm or Am - Cmaj7 - Dm (main riff, verses) C - Dm (the you could be a princess part) Dm - G - Am (lalalala) Am - G - possibly a Dm - Am (outro) Up a half step? Bbm - Dbm...etc HLH: Bb - Eb (verse) F - Eb - Bb (prechorus) Bb - Eb (instrumental bit) F - Eb - Bb (chorus) Bb - Eb (solo) So on... F - Eb - Bb - Dm - Eb - Bb (the whoa oah part) Bb - Eb (outro) Basically, neat idea. But no, I completely disagree with you rafael. ON THE OTHER HAND, POC has some of the same lyrical structures, like the "got to go, got to go" vs "it's so cold so cold". Oh and yes, LIJ and Lost are pretty similar based ONLY on chord progression. But chord patterns get pretty similar in rock music. Don't try to transcript the notes. Just sing one song over the other and you'll se what I'm talking about. Sing Princess of China on Hurts Like Heaven. And if someone misunderstood me, I didn't mean Chris ran out of creativity at all. I just like how we can create 2 absolutely different songs with the same progression. __________________ Mylo Xyloto army

21-08-2011, 07:13 PM	#27
rafaelchampion Shhhhhhhhhhhhh Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,989 My Mood: Location: Silencia Gender: Fav. CP album: VLVODAAHF Fav. CP member: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 29 Thanked 111 Times in 43 Posts	This: http://www.mediafire.com/?01ljt7854pgft1f is what I mean. (This is an attempt to put Princess of China's Lyrics on Hurts Like Heaven. Please don't pay attention at the quality, but how we can put the lyrics of one song in the other) __________________ Mylo Xyloto army

21-08-2011, 11:06 PM	#28
Stv Armed with SPRAY CAN SOUL Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,107 My Mood: Location: Nuevo Laredo, TAM Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 9 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Quote: Originally Posted by macky;4933695 Okay, the new version is decent. But am I the only one who thinks that Chris sang "lalalalalalala" because he forgot the lyrics? No, I think the same

21-08-2011, 11:10 PM	#29
Stv Armed with SPRAY CAN SOUL Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,107 My Mood: Location: Nuevo Laredo, TAM Gender: Country: Chat posts: 0 Thanks given: 9 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Hurts Like Heaven is happy and PoC is sad btw, there's a lot of coldplay songs with similar chord progression or melody or something. I won't make a complete analysis. Lost !/? and The Scientist Clocks and Speed Of Sound Life In Technicolor II and Charlie Brown