Let's just calm down...

[CartoonHeart42]

Ok, I've never written on here but today I've read some ridiculous responses to the release of Paradise.

To say that Coldplay are taking a 'new direction' (pop) based on 2 songs is a bit wide of the mark. Yes, ETIAW and Paradise are a new, different sound, but people have been quick to forget all the great songs played at the festivals; CB, HLH and to a lesser extent MM are great songs, and a development from the Viva era. I think they'll make CB the lead single of the album, and in my view it represents what MX is about, along with HLH. UATW sounds more like classic Coldplay, and I'm sure other songs on the album will be similar.

I know it's become a bit cliche, but I think it's good they're trying something different, it's testament to their talent that they can produce songs from a variety of genres. I just think it's a huge overreaction to say they've 'sold out'. I admit Paradise was a bit of a disappointment, but I think the rest of the album will make up for it. Even AROBTTH, my favourite album, and by the rhetoric of today's posts the embodiment of 'real Coldplay music', had its bad songs. In my view, every song on that album is a classic apart from Daylight and A Whisper, ironically my least favourite Coldplay songs. I probably wouldn't even have them downloaded if they weren't written by Coldplay.

So before condemning them, listen to the album. I bet come October you'll all be raving about how good it is anyway.

[valypan]

Love all the new posters speaking up for MX. Haha so cool :)

[jc90]

At the end of the day, if you still hate it, no one is asking you to stay and no amount of bickering and bitching will make the band or anyone change their mind. The opinions of those who do or don't like it won't change my opinion and the minute it does, that's when I know i'm a useless idiot who has to rely on other people to tell me what to think.

TBH i'm not too keen on 'Paradise', but i'm gonna stick around; not because i'm better than you, but because I want to. To see the evolution and growth of the band and not ditch when things get a little rough.

[strikie]

dear new coldplay fan,

In the time waiting for the album,
would you care watching the toronto gig of 2006,
it pretty much sums up the older coldplay.

[CartoonHeart42]

dear new coldplay fan,

In the time waiting for the album,
would you care watching the toronto gig of 2006,
it pretty much sums up the older coldplay.

Dear pretentious 'old' Coldplay fan

I may not have been a massive fan since 2000 mainly because I was just a kid back then. I already said my favourite album is AROBTTH. And as it happens I've seen that breathtaking performance in Toronto, but that doesn't stop me from liking their new material.

Thanks.

[jc90]

Yes, he's a new Coldplay fan because he only joined the forum this year right?

Newsflash: not all Coldplay fans need to join Coldplaying in order to like them for a long time

[valypan]

The old Coldplay is no better than the new or recent Coldplay. I have been a fan since Parachutes, but I definitely do not think old Coldplay fans have any superior knowledge or claim on the band. If anything, it´s the new that counts more: it´s definitely what Coldplay are excited about right now.

[macky]

Yes, he's a new Coldplay fan because he only joined the forum this year right?

Newsflash: not all Coldplay fans need to join Coldplaying in order to like them for a long time

+1,
There are bigger and more hardcore Coldplay fans who are NOT on this forum.
Each of their albums have sold at least 8 millions copies worldwide and there are only 60000 members here (at maybe only 5000 of them are active users)

[IloveChris]

Yes, he's a new Coldplay fan because he only joined the forum this year right?

Newsflash: not all Coldplay fans need to join Coldplaying in order to like them for a long time

^THIS.

I've been a fan for a few years, but I've just been too lazy to join. :dozey:

[macky]

Their manager said that they don't want this album to fall in any music box.
So expect every song to be different and so far they are all different.
And like I said before, if you miss Parachutes, just go listen to it. They don't need to make another Parachutes or AROBTTH. They've already done it.
Can you imagine doing the same thing over and over and over again? That would be a bore.

[CartoonHeart42]

Their manager said that they don't want this album to fall in any music box.
So expect every song to be different and so far they are all different.
And like I said before, if you miss Parachutes, just go listen to it. They don't need to make another Parachutes or AROBTTH. They've already done it.
Can you imagine doing the same thing over and over and over again? That would be a bore.

Completely agree!

[Imke]

Their manager said that they don't want this album to fall in any music box.
So expect every song to be different and so far they are all different.
And like I said before, if you miss Parachutes, just go listen to it. They don't need to make another Parachutes or AROBTTH. They've already done it.
Can you imagine doing the same thing over and over and over again? That would be a bore.

OMG, will you please stop saying we all want another Parachutes and AROBTTH?!
This is not the point!

Instead of bitching about the "haters", take your time and try to see their point and stop telling them to go to listen to old material.

You are missing the point, massively!

[valypan]

Imke: The main point I saw was that Coldplay are going mainstream and that´s why MX sucks. I disagree about them going mainstream: I think they are just realizing their vision and expressing their music as they want it to be now. Tomorrow..who knows! Moreover you can´t blame some people for thinking MX "haters" want the old Coldplay back as this point as well has been stated more than once on the forum

[jenshack24]

Yes, he's a new Coldplay fan because he only joined the forum this year right?

Newsflash: not all Coldplay fans need to join Coldplaying in order to like them for a long time

this. i've been a fan since Parachutes, but it wasn't until 2009 that I joined, because i was FINALLY seeing them live (being a poor teenager/college student lol) that, and i didn't even know the forum existed until then.

as for this thread in general, nice to see some rationality instead of blind panic. i'm not crazy about Paradise, but I'm sure, like ETIAW, it will grow on me. Despite those, after listening to a lot of the other stuff that has only been played live (ie CB, UATW, etc) i'm super excited for the album.

[shesawsparks]

OMG, will you please stop saying we all want another Parachutes and AROBTTH?!
This is not the point!

Instead of bitching about the "haters", take your time and try to see their point and stop telling them to go to listen to old material.

You are missing the point, massively!

Actually i agree with macky tbh. About 90% of the posts i've read by people who don't like Paradise have been pining for Parachutes/AROBTHT mk. 2, or just accusing them of going too "mainstream."

[Imke]

Imke: The main point I saw was that Coldplay are going mainstream and that´s why MX sucks. I disagree about them going mainstream: I think they are just realizing their vision and expressing their music as they want it to be now. Tomorrow..who knows! Moreover you can´t blame some people for thinking MX "haters" want the old Coldplay back as this point as well has been stated more than once on the forum

The main point is that we don't like the new direction because they are giving up what makes them Coldplay. They are giving up their potential to appeal to a bigger audience.

I never said MX sucks, nor did the majority of the "haters" (a term that clearly shows how some here simply can't accept any criticism), we talked about ETIAW and Paradise.

[tampacoldplayer]

i thought brian eno was pushing these guys to be better...this is a big step back for this bad...much like x and y...viva la vida was a nice comeback...but so far this album is shaping up to be top 40...bass heavy hip hop dance club BS...come on..doing a song with rhianna? what a joke.

the take away martin's vocals in this paradise and just replace them with keysha or timbaland...you would NEVER know it was a coldplay song. unoriginal, boring, commercial...

[Hartroc]

The main point is that we don't like the new direction because they are giving up what makes them Coldplay. They are giving up their potential to appeal to a bigger audience.

I never said MX sucks, nor did the majority of the "haters" (a term that clearly shows how some here simply can't accept any criticism), we talked about ETIAW and Paradise.

Did Radiohead give up their identity when they released Kid A?

Did U2 give up their identity when they released Achtung Baby?

Just food for thought. ;)

[Imke]

Did Radiohead give up their identity when they released Kid A?

Did U2 give up their identity when they released Achtung Baby?

Just food for thought. ;)

I'm not a frequent listener of either of those bands, so I wouldn't know.

But for me, Coldplay gave up their identity when they put out ETIAW.

[MattB1069]

How can anyone claim MX is 'mainstream' when we've only heard around half of the songs? Of course they're gonna play the 'mainstream' style songs at festivals, they're not playing to coldplay fans, and have to play things to get the crowds going. Who knows what the songs we haven't heard will sound like?

oh and don't judge me cos of my mere 5 posts..

[Lukestar1991]

dear new coldplay fan,

In the time waiting for the album,
would you care watching the toronto gig of 2006,
it pretty much sums up the older coldplay.

To me it does not at all, i dont really know how you work that one out???

[Squish92]

I feel like as a single, this is weak. But place it in the context of all of the other songs, and it makes me excited to hear the whole thing.
It's like taking a single chapter out of a book and trying to enjoy it. Granted, I loved Hurts Like Heaven and Charlie Brown the first time I heard them. But I think that when you take the out of place puzzle piece that is Paradise and put it into the big picture that will be Mylo Xyloto, we'll have nice little collection of tunes.

[tampacoldplayer]

How can anyone claim MX is 'mainstream' when we've only heard around half of the songs? Of course they're gonna play the 'mainstream' style songs at festivals, they're not playing to coldplay fans, and have to play things to get the crowds going. Who knows what the songs we haven't heard will sound like?

oh and don't judge me cos of my mere 5 posts..

you are mainstream when you bring in rhianna to sing a hook in a song

[Hartroc]

I'm not a frequent listener of either of those bands, so I wouldn't know.

But for me, Coldplay gave up their identity when they put out ETIAW.

Hmm...I see Win and Regine in your avatar...

Did Arcade Fire give up their identity when they released Neon Bible? :P

[tampacoldplayer]

Did Radiohead give up their identity when they released Kid A?

Did U2 give up their identity when they released Achtung Baby?

Just food for thought. ;)

that is because they both went in directions that they hadn't been and that nobody else was going...this album is a typical top 40 pop money maker for the label. it is regression for this band

[Lukestar1991]

[/QUOTE]I never said MX sucks, nor did the majority of the "haters" (a term that clearly shows how some here simply can't accept any criticism), we talked about ETIAW and Paradise.[/QUOTE]

What is it about STILL knocking ETIAW??? Apart from the fact that its a SENSATIONAL song, (yes, for some simple minded people it is very different from Coldplay's sound) its been out since the beginning of june and people still cant accept it; if you cant stand it that much why are you still here???

[c0ldplay420]

So I am curious. Does this mean the "older fans" want Coldplay to stay out of the main stream and be that band in the early 2000's that people would make fun of (btw my personal opinion is making fun of them was a joke anyways because they were genius back then)?

P.S. please dont take this as an attack on older fans or newer fans. A fan is a fan. You guys are putting too much pressure on yourselves and not looking at the bigger picture.

[jc90]

What is clear is that people will tend to stick with the initial gut reaction whether it was a positive or negative one. I suggest at this point everyone just needs to give up on trying to persuade one another because it is clear that it cannot be done (at least the way we are doing it). What I did preach is patience and open-mindedness. Accept that Coldplay are going in a new direction (and you cannot stop them) and let the songs/album grow on you. It has at least worked for me with a few of these MX era songs. If it doesn't: Ho Hum, live goes on.

[valypan]

I don´t think anyone is deluded they are able to convince anyone else changing their mind. :) But statements like: Coldplay has lost their identity in ETIAW. I respect that opinion, but I beg to differ. And I AM an old Coldplay fan:)

[tampacoldplayer]

So I am curious. Does this mean the "older fans" want Coldplay to stay out of the main stream and be that band in the early 2000's that people would make fun of (btw my personal opinion is making fun of them was a joke anyways because they were genius back then)?

P.S. please dont take this as an attack on older fans or newer fans. A fan is a fan. You guys are putting too much pressure on yourselves and not looking at the bigger picture.

i am an older fan..but loved Viva La Vida more than my daughter...who was what you call a new coldplay fan...has nothing to do with old and new fans...has everything to do with quality...i just don't hear it so far on this album

[jenshack24]

why can't we all just get alongggggggg :dance::cool3: :)

[icedude2010]

I like old coldplay and new coldplay and I don't really have a preference between the two (Except for certain moods where I like something quiet as opposed to upbeat).

[c0ldplay420]

i am an older fan..but loved Viva La Vida more than my daughter...who was what you call a new coldplay fan...has nothing to do with old and new fans...has everything to do with quality...i just don't hear it so far on this album

Meh I didn't coin that term. A fan is a fan to me. I understand what people are saying where they miss the old era of Coldplay. But artists need to grow. Yeah the songs are "pop'ish", "mainstream", etc and I even agree that I miss the old sound. But at the end of the day a band we all enjoy is going to be praised by the masses. Ultimately isn't that what we wanted for them? Just look at the journey they've been on from "Yellow" to "Paradise" it's been quite crazy but they are headed in a great direction!

[valypan]

Indeed: what a journey! regardless of whether you like the direction or not, everyone must admit they have changed so much and consistently! This can only be praised. It takes guts not to remain stagnant

[MattB1069]

We talk about 'old' coldplay fans and 'new' ones... it doesn't mean that the 'new' coldplay fans don't listen to old coldplay songs and think the same of them as the 'old' fans. I started listening to them in the X and Y era, which I guess makes me a 'new' fan, but I'm still just as worried about them becoming 'mainstream' as anyone else, especially with the news about Rihanna. Roadie 42 rates it though... At the end of the day it's still coldplay, and you're still all gonna buy the album...

[tampacoldplayer]

Indeed: what a journey! regardless of whether you like the direction or not, everyone must admit they have changed so much and consistently! This can only be praised. It takes guts not to remain stagnant

they didn't sell out to the mainstream on Vida..and they progressed...didn't remain stagnant....i just see this effort as a step back from that

[The Final Track]

The main point is that we don't like the new direction because they are giving up what makes them Coldplay. They are giving up their potential to appeal to a bigger audience.

I never said MX sucks, nor did the majority of the "haters" (a term that clearly shows how some here simply can't accept any criticism), we talked about ETIAW and Paradise.

So true.

[valypan]

they didn't sell out to the mainstream on Vida..and they progressed...didn't remain stagnant....i just see this effort as a step back from that

Viva La Vida the song was extremely successful, so it was definitely catchy and popular enough to become mainstream. Lost is very close to songs like Paradise, so even then you could see where they were heading. It is not a step back in my opinion, simply because they have never made anything like MX before, so there is nowhere back to step towards, if you know what I mean :) But I do get your point: that for you this evolution is not for the best, but any judgement on that will always be subjective :)

[tampacoldplayer]

read this review from NME...pretty much sums up my feelings


There’s the dropped drum beat, the vaguely dubstep-like bassline and the "Para-para-paradise" hook of the chorus. This is all played over a New Age-ish sounding backing; strings, the familiar simple piano riff and, eventually, a choir who intone a "Woah-oh-oh-oh" line.



It’s hard to say what the band is aiming for with the song. To replicate he epic football stadium “moment” of ‘Yellow’? The energy of a ‘Viva La Vida’? If so it doesn’t quite work on either count.

‘Paradise’ feels both slightly listless and muddled. The “hip” new sonic treatments sound out of date (there's a mid-noughties vibe about the whole thing) and the chorus comes off as a weak facsimile of what Coldplay have done effortlessly in the past; specifically that people-uniting aspect.

Whilst Coldplay’s pop makeover may be - for them at least- quite revelatory, it feels like Chris Martin’s populist songwriting tendencies have been clipped. Ultimately it feels like a few steps back rather than forward.

[valypan]

Yes I did read the review and did predict MX would get some "not so happy" reviews, but there it is. Can´t please everyone I guess :)

[valypan]

Yes I did read the review and did predict MX would get some "not so happy" reviews, but there it is. Can´t please everyone I guess :)

[pnapsty]

God, when I read this, I see hipsters versus those who enjoy good music.

[Andresfe]

I feel the same. wait for the album. there are songs that stay rooted coldplay as Charlie Brown.
I like to experiment with new rhythms. I really like ETIAW and Paradise
I think you ought to accept the changes.

[jenshack24]

God, when I read this, I see hipsters versus those who enjoy good music.

:nod: mte

[Harondor]

all these posts remind me the endless fight between the star wars fans about the 2 trilogies.
I'm a fan since X&Y era and I respect the work done on every album and song. Some songs are awesome, others weaker, but the most important is the pleasure they give us.
BTW in my opinion Paradise is a good song, just have more listens.

[Brent]

The way I see it is complaining incessantly over something you can't change is futile. There's nothing anyone can do about it, and you make the choice to listen to the music. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. A simple solution.

It's not worth arguing incessantly with internet strangers from around the world. Someone literally blamed Gwyneth Paltrow for the music in another thread. That kind of crap is annoying. Be constructive, calm, and showcase your maturity when you're critiquing this new work. It makes everyone's experience a lot better when you not only give feedback, but give your response substance, too.

Hating the song isn't bad, it's just bad when you get offensive and immature about it. It's not like you have to listen to it every day. Relax everyone.

[Elena Brtt]

There are some people saying that Coldplay want more fans and that's why they released "a pop song" like Paradise, i don't agree..

ok, this may be true but i don't think the boys would plan this kind of stuff (i don't want to oO' )

I'm really enjoying Paradise, it's a great song! If you still don't like it, do this while listening:

- close your eyes
- try to forget pop elements
- let the music go through your ears
- feel the amazing the atmosphere, it's so good :)

in my opinion, this new direction the band's taking isn't bad... they're still Coldplay, just in a different way. Maybe MX is the first step to improve, i'm sure better stuff will come in the future.

[golfing7861]

Love all the new posters speaking up for MX. Haha so cool :)

Agreed, showing the people that are going crazy and all of a sudden "hating" Coldplay what's real! :P

[paintmecoldplay]

At the end of the day, if you still hate it, no one is asking you to stay and no amount of bickering and bitching will make the band or anyone change their mind. The opinions of those who do or don't like it won't change my opinion and the minute it does, that's when I know i'm a useless idiot who has to rely on other people to tell me what to think.

TBH i'm not too keen on 'Paradise', but i'm gonna stick around; not because i'm better than you, but because I want to. To see the evolution and growth of the band and not ditch when things get a little rough.

I completely agree. They've made the choice to move towards this musical direction, and so be it. If you don't like it then, play Parachutes, or AROBTTH till they come back punching in their old style. Or just bugger off and don't trash Coldplay's brilliance because they don't always play what you like.

Personally Paradise isn't really my cup of tea, but the line "the wheel breaks the butterfly" does show a hint of Chris Martins lyrically genius, plus Major Minus, is a bit like old Coldplay just a bit Brian Eno'y (and yes I did use the man legend as an adjective) so there is still hope. And to be perfectly honest, maybe we should all stop bashing them till we've actually heard the whole album?? Just an idea.

And if I don't like it, I'll just keep Parachutes on repeat till they float back to brilliance.

[w1ll1am7]

The way I see it is complaining incessantly over something you can't change is futile. There's nothing anyone can do about it, and you make the choice to listen to the music. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. A simple solution.

It's not worth arguing incessantly with internet strangers from around the world. Someone literally blamed Gwyneth Paltrow for the music in another thread. That kind of crap is annoying. Be constructive, calm, and showcase your maturity when you're critiquing this new work. It makes everyone's experience a lot better when you not only give feedback, but give your response substance, too.

Hating the song isn't bad, it's just bad when you get offensive and immature about it. It's not like you have to listen to it every day. Relax everyone.

6 this x100000

I really enjoy the song, it's fresh and different.

I really don't care if they can't replicate the greatness of their previous records, that just allows me to enjoy them and value that music THAT much more

[Connor!42!]

haha, i think i've calmed down form yesterday :P

now to ban myself from visiting the Paradise YouTube clip so i don't get annoyed by the comments :laugh3:

[Kiame]

The main point is that we don't like the new direction because they are giving up what makes them Coldplay. They are giving up their potential to appeal to a bigger audience.

Okay, that's it, I'm putting the foot down.

Have you got a source for this? Why on Earth is everyone saying this? It's so god damn pretentious. Just because you don't like the new artistic direction Coldplay are taking does not mean they are trying to appeal to more people or trying to make money or selling out or going "mainstream".

By the way, Coldplay have been "mainstream" since Yellow. Everyone in the Western world knows their songs, I really don't think that gives us the right to act like hipsters.

Maybe Coldplay have changed their sound because they wanted to? Ever think of that? Judging from their comments in the past they place huge importance on changing a sound.

It makes me lose a lot of face that so many of you just resort to calling them sell outs or saying they are trying to appeal to everyone. I don't believe that for a second, they have huge integrity and they do what they want to do. Do you really think after VLV they want more fans? I'm pretty certain their only concern is making music they love.

I don't know how you can call yourself a Coldplay fan then start screaming "SELLOUT" as soon as they change their style to something you don't like. Surely you know better than that. Chris, Guy, Jonny and Will aren't sellouts, they have oodles of artistic integrity and they do whatever the fuck they want to do.

*breathes in*.

Sorry if that sounded rude, but i've had it with seeing so many people claim this without anything other than their own opinion to back it up. It's not good enough.

[purplemonkeyz232]

Yes, he's a new Coldplay fan because he only joined the forum this year right?

Newsflash: not all Coldplay fans need to join Coldplaying in order to like them for a long time

This.

[purplemonkeyz232]

I feel like as a single, this is weak. But place it in the context of all of the other songs, and it makes me excited to hear the whole thing.
It's like taking a single chapter out of a book and trying to enjoy it. Granted, I loved Hurts Like Heaven and Charlie Brown the first time I heard them. But I think that when you take the out of place puzzle piece that is Paradise and put it into the big picture that will be Mylo Xyloto, we'll have nice little collection of tunes.

THIS IS SO TRUE^^
You can't judge a whole album by taking what may possibly be the two weakest songs on the album as your evidence, and saying that your favorite band has "lost what makes them special." Wait until the album comes out. If MX is released and all of the songs sound like "Paradise" then I'll see your point. Until then, just leave this chapter alone, and lets wait until we have the whole book to judge the art! ;)

[para-para-parrotdies]

Maybe Coldplay have changed their sound because they wanted to? Ever think of that? Judging from their comments in the past they place huge importance on changing a sound.

First off, I don't think anyone is truly opposed to Coldplay changing their sound - that's what separates good bands from great bands, the ability to take on new influences and expand their musical horizons.

That doesn't mean all change is good. An example of musically inspired change was Radiohead's decision to shift gears from the sounds of OK Computer to Kid A. In contrast, you have Coldplay's recent output which sound overproduced and substantially lacking - from the lyrics to the melodies (I'll reserve judgment of the entire album until I hear it).

Simply put, they sound no different than sounds that populate the Billboard 100 (I was instantly comparing Paradise to OneRepublic's "Apologize") and that's what's disappointing. We know Coldplay can do better and want them to realize their potential. Hopefully, the rest of MX will prove me wrong but at this point, I wouldn't bet on it...

[valypan]

Okay, that's it, I'm putting the foot down.

Have you got a source for this? Why on Earth is everyone saying this? It's so god damn pretentious. Just because you don't like the new artistic direction Coldplay are taking does not mean they are trying to appeal to more people or trying to make money or selling out or going "mainstream".

By the way, Coldplay have been "mainstream" since Yellow. Everyone in the Western world knows their songs, I really don't think that gives us the right to act like hipsters.

Maybe Coldplay have changed their sound because they wanted to? Ever think of that? Judging from their comments in the past they place huge importance on changing a sound.

It makes me lose a lot of face that so many of you just resort to calling them sell outs or saying they are trying to appeal to everyone. I don't believe that for a second, they have huge integrity and they do what they want to do. Do you really think after VLV they want more fans? I'm pretty certain their only concern is making music they love.

I don't know how you can call yourself a Coldplay fan then start screaming "SELLOUT" as soon as they change their style to something you don't like. Surely you know better than that. Chris, Guy, Jonny and Will aren't sellouts, they have oodles of artistic integrity and they do whatever the fuck they want to do.

*breathes in*.

Sorry if that sounded rude, but i've had it with seeing so many people claim this without anything other than their own opinion to back it up. It's not good enough.


Love your post. I feel exactly the same and have been defending the guys integrity at each occasion I get, simply because no-one can ever say that they are anything but hard-working and artistically-driven. That´s how we have always known them to be and that´s also why a lot of us love them. But sometimes it is easier to blame external factors, other than admit that your idea of what great music is suddenly differs from what your favorite band thinks great music is :)

[ColdplayFanatic16]

Ok. I was 7 when AROBTTH came out, and was already a fan back then. I LOVED them then and I still love them now. COLDPLAY is for everyone. Not for just the NEW or tue OLD fans (though I am an old fan).

[Nattatouille]

Okay. This is getting too much.

We're not haters. We're criticisers. There is a vast difference. I like how we voice our slightly critical views and we get tabbed as hating. How many posts have you directly seen that someone has been like 'HATE COLDPLAY' it's mainly 'hate this direction' 'disappointed'. These do not equate to us hating Coldplay.

You're right in some respects. They are giving up what it was that defined Coldplay to us. Yes, not to others, but to us. There is a large proportion of us on the boards voicing the same opinion so you can't say that it's an unfounded idea. If there is a collective group saying the same thing then there is some basis of truth in it for those people. If you don't think they're changing what it meant for them to be Coldplay, then okay, that's how you and your collective group feels.

You cannot say that our opinion is less valid or should be voiced less just like we can't say the same to you.

Simple fact is, both sides are allowed to feel whatever they want to feel, but us getting snarky, stressed and rude to each other is not the right way to handle it.

I dislike the direction that they're taking. If they are taking it because they want to, then good on the boys... If they're taking the direction because they're being pushed into it, then so be it. I'm just expressing the opinion that I don't like it and I feel like we're losing Coldplay as we knew them and I'm not particularly being won over by this new band.

[valypan]

Nattatouille: Do you like any songs from MX so far? Or are you disappointed only by ETIAW or Paradise?

[Lore]

Okay. This is getting too much.

We're not haters. We're criticisers. There is a vast difference. I like how we voice our slightly critical views and we get tabbed as hating. How many posts have you directly seen that someone has been like 'HATE COLDPLAY' it's mainly 'hate this direction' 'disappointed'. These do not equate to us hating Coldplay.

You're right in some respects. They are giving up what it was that defined Coldplay to us. Yes, not to others, but to us. There is a large proportion of us on the boards voicing the same opinion so you can't say that it's an unfounded idea. If there is a collective group saying the same thing then there is some basis of truth in it for those people. If you don't think they're changing what it meant for them to be Coldplay, then okay, that's how you and your collective group feels.

You cannot say that our opinion is less valid or should be voiced less just like we can't say the same to you.

Simple fact is, both sides are allowed to feel whatever they want to feel, but us getting snarky, stressed and rude to each other is not the right way to handle it.

I dislike the direction that they're taking. If they are taking it because they want to, then good on the boys... If they're taking the direction because they're being pushed into it, then so be it. I'm just expressing the opinion that I don't like it and I feel like we're losing Coldplay as we knew them and I'm not particularly being won over by this new band.

:)

[Mimixxx]

Okay. This is getting too much.

We're not haters. We're criticisers. There is a vast difference. I like how we voice our slightly critical views and we get tabbed as hating. How many posts have you directly seen that someone has been like 'HATE COLDPLAY' it's mainly 'hate this direction' 'disappointed'. These do not equate to us hating Coldplay.

You're right in some respects. They are giving up what it was that defined Coldplay to us. Yes, not to others, but to us. There is a large proportion of us on the boards voicing the same opinion so you can't say that it's an unfounded idea. If there is a collective group saying the same thing then there is some basis of truth in it for those people. If you don't think they're changing what it meant for them to be Coldplay, then okay, that's how you and your collective group feels.

You cannot say that our opinion is less valid or should be voiced less just like we can't say the same to you.

Simple fact is, both sides are allowed to feel whatever they want to feel, but us getting snarky, stressed and rude to each other is not the right way to handle it.

I dislike the direction that they're taking. If they are taking it because they want to, then good on the boys... If they're taking the direction because they're being pushed into it, then so be it. I'm just expressing the opinion that I don't like it and I feel like we're losing Coldplay as we knew them and I'm not particularly being won over by this new band.

Very nicely put. :)

[Nattatouille]

Nattatouille: Do you like any songs from MX so far? Or are you disappointed only by ETIAW or Paradise?

I have liked the sound of the live versions of Charlie Brown, HLH, PoC and MM. However MM was ruined in the studio recording by the odd processing on Chris's voice. I'm worried that the same will happen to these.

The thing is, I liked the sound, but none of them have quite caught me the way even Speed of Sound (probably the 2nd worst lead-single off an album) did.

:)

Very nicely put. :)

Thanks guys :)

[valypan]

Nat: They have not caught you but you still somewhat liked most of the songs on MX then. Hopefully the album will win the disappointed fans over then. We will see

[Lore]

the thing is, if you're listening to an album and you think it's good, listening to songs like Paradise or ETIAW just kill the good album experience and you feel like it's bad.

It's like eating something with 10 good ingredientes and you add something really disgusting to it. Overall it gets horrible :P

honestly, I really like HLH, Charlie Brown and UATW. Moving to Mars is also amazing, but they keep releasing these horrible songs and leave me expecting the worst for the rest of the album (they already ruined the studio version of MM in my opinion)... it's just sad.

[Nattatouille]

the thing is, if you're listening to an album and you think it's good, listening to songs like Paradise or ETIAW just kill the good album experience and you feel like it's bad.

It's like eating something with 10 good ingredientes and you add something really disgusting to it. Overall it gets horrible :P

honestly, I really like HLH, Charlie Brown and UATW. Moving to Mars is also amazing, but they keep releasing these horrible songs and leave me expecting the worst for the rest of the album (they already ruined the studio version of MM in my opinion)... it's just sad.

Yeah, I think that's the best way of putting it. I don't like the idea of a hit-and-miss album where I will either skip tracks or not have them on my iPod at all.

[Odvan]

the thing is, if you're listening to an album and you think it's good, listening to songs like Paradise or ETIAW just kill the good album experience and you feel like it's bad.

It's like eating something with 10 good ingredientes and you add something really disgusting to it. Overall it gets horrible :P

honestly, I really like HLH, Charlie Brown and UATW. Moving to Mars is also amazing, but they keep releasing these horrible songs and leave me expecting the worst for the rest of the album (they already ruined the studio version of MM in my opinion)... it's just sad.
It's an old joke - put one piece of shit into pile of something and you will get the whole pile of shit.

At the moment I'm not sure I will buy MX.

[strikie]

Dear pretentious 'old' Coldplay fan

I may not have been a massive fan since 2000 mainly because I was just a kid back then. I already said my favourite album is AROBTTH. And as it happens I've seen that breathtaking performance in Toronto, but that doesn't stop me from liking their new material.

Thanks.

thanks for replying in a good way,
I understand you completely, and I don't hate the new stuff at all,
there's just one thing

two years ago, I got a new classmate, a guy who just moved to our area.
At first he was a bit shy, but wen we first talked I already had a feeling that we could become friend, and this might be a friendship for life.
But after some months, when he knew everybody in class, he started hanging out with people who I don't like at all. Pretentious people (Thank for teaching me that word, I hope I used it correctly), and my friend became more and more like them. After a year, I hardly spoke to him anymore. He'd become the guy in school who everybody likes, but still he acts like an ass, and had a huge ego.

I'd hate seeing this happen to coldplay.

oh, and: Apologies for being somewhat of a douche in my first post

[valypan]

Nah it´s not like ingredients. It´s more like a cheese topping you can remove. Tracks can be skipped :)

[strikie]

it's like adding unions while baking,
and removing them later on.
You will taste it.

You deserve a compliment for your activity on here,
or a medal or so :smiley:

[Blue Nails]

^Yeah I think valypan is our biggest spread the MX love-poster. We need someone who keeps faith for all of us. ;)

[EdPlay]

10 topics about the same subject, and the arguments are all the same, thats kinda funny.

[Hartroc]

...Speed of Sound (probably the 2nd worst lead-single off an album)...

No WAY. In My Place definitely takes second place, with Speed of Sound at third.

[fakfak]

The main point is that we don't like the new direction because they are giving up what makes them Coldplay. They are giving up their potential to appeal to a bigger audience.

I never said MX sucks, nor did the majority of the "haters" (a term that clearly shows how some here simply can't accept any criticism), we talked about ETIAW and Paradise.


This is what I don't get about the whole "Coldplay's gone mainstream" arguement. Coldplay already had a Massive audience. There sound already appealed to more people than virtually any other current act. (if you judge by record sales and tour grosses.) Other artists who want to sound commercial are advised to sound LIKE THEM! The most commercial/mainstream/sell-out thing they could have done was what they were already doing. When you have such a winning commercial formula, there is NO commercially minded reason to change ANYTHING. The only logical reason they would adopt a new sound, is that they genuinely like the new one better.

Note that nowhere I said that you aren't allowed to not like the new songs, but I'm sorry the argument that Coldplay are somehow changing "for commercial reasons" makes not the least bit of sense IMHO.

[Imke]

This is what I don't get about the whole "Coldplay's gone mainstream" arguement. Coldplay already had a Massive audience. There sound already appealed to more people than virtually any other current act. (if you judge by record sales and tour grosses.) Other artists who want to sound commercial are advised to sound LIKE THEM! The most commercial/mainstream/sell-out thing they could have done was what they were already doing. When you have such a winning commercial formula, there is NO commercially minded reason to change ANYTHING. The only logical reason they would adopt a new sound, is that they genuinely like the new one better.

Note that nowhere I said that you aren't allowed to not like the new songs, but I'm sorry the argument that Coldplay are somehow changing "for commercial reasons" makes not the least bit of sense IMHO.

It's a development that started showing during VLV and it's gotten to an unbearable point with ETIAW and Paradise now.

[Mojo Pin]

Old fan here since 2000 and to me they became mainstream with VLV, the friggin' butterflies and the stupid uniforms.

In my opinion (notice that it's my own opinion and I'm free to express it) they just aim to be the biggest band in the world and reach younger audience with meaningless pop-ish songs. I'm pretty sure that even if the songs aren't even good, they'll be all number 1 and the radio will play them all the time cos it's Coldplay™.

They're not the same band I used to love and supported for over a decade. Musically and lyrically are not that good anymore but they can still get away with it cos they're Coldplay™. How I wish they could record more simple and real songs with at least some lyrics I can relate to but I don't see that coming anytime soon if they keep overproducing albums and trying to "take over the world".

[Cyan Kat]

Old fan here since 2000 and to me they became mainstream with VLV, the friggin' butterflies and the stupid uniforms.

In my opinion (notice that it's my own opinion and I'm free to express it) they just aim to be the biggest band in the world and reach younger audience with meaningless pop-ish songs. I'm pretty sure that even if the songs aren't even good, they'll be all number 1 and the radio will play them all the time cos it's Coldplay™.

They're not the same band I used to love and supported for over a decade. Musically and lyrically are not that good anymore but they can still get away with it cos they're Coldplay™. How I wish they could record more simple and real songs with at least some lyrics I can relate to but I don't see that coming anytime soon if they keep overproducing albums and trying to "take over the world".
Rena rena rrrrrrrrenato :awesome:

[Cyan Kat]

I only became a fan like winter 2009 when I heard Yellow and Clocks and thought they were cool then bought Parachutes and X&Y and loved them. Parachutes is my favourite but I'm not exactly an old fan from the beginning, I just really loved the whole thing and it gave me shivers like no other music I's ever heard before and there are songs up until X&Y that have that effect on me and maybe one or two from viva era. This new stuff just doesn't have that effect on me and it does really disappoint me because I've seen what music they can make but they're deciding to be like so many other bands out there.

[MichMoch]

Okay. This is getting too much.

We're not haters. We're criticisers. There is a vast difference. I like how we voice our slightly critical views and we get tabbed as hating. How many posts have you directly seen that someone has been like 'HATE COLDPLAY' it's mainly 'hate this direction' 'disappointed'. These do not equate to us hating Coldplay.

You're right in some respects. They are giving up what it was that defined Coldplay to us. Yes, not to others, but to us. There is a large proportion of us on the boards voicing the same opinion so you can't say that it's an unfounded idea. If there is a collective group saying the same thing then there is some basis of truth in it for those people. If you don't think they're changing what it meant for them to be Coldplay, then okay, that's how you and your collective group feels.

You cannot say that our opinion is less valid or should be voiced less just like we can't say the same to you.

Simple fact is, both sides are allowed to feel whatever they want to feel, but us getting snarky, stressed and rude to each other is not the right way to handle it.

I dislike the direction that they're taking. If they are taking it because they want to, then good on the boys... If they're taking the direction because they're being pushed into it, then so be it. I'm just expressing the opinion that I don't like it and I feel like we're losing Coldplay as we knew them and I'm not particularly being won over by this new band.


Bless this post.

[Blue Nails]

I can't help thinking, if they really wanted to be 'mainstream/pop' (as if they weren't from the start), wouldn't they just have released a full length album in 2009? And another in 2010?

Who knows, maybe they're being really good people who try to please everyone. (That's not a good thing at all, but you can't really blame them for it.) And we will get our real, deep and simple songs on the album, but they're starting with the newer fans who love them because of Viva.
Maybe they're just trusting us to 'endure' this, we've been loyal for many years so we can take a few months of not such good music.
:shrug:

[fakfak]

that is because they both went in directions that they hadn't been and that nobody else was going...this album is a typical top 40 pop money maker for the label. it is regression for this band


All of their albums were top 40 moneymakers. Every label executive in the world wants a coldplay soundalike on their label. (and there have been a fair few over the years) They are the sound of today's top 40 like it or not and have been going on a decade now. I'm sorry, but I guess why I can't see how they've become mainstream is that I honestly can't picture what could be more mainstream than their previous work. People here are talking about a massive pop/rock colossus as if it were some hip underground indie band and it just confuses me.

[Juanma]

Coldplaying is shit now really

[fakfak]

Coldplaying is shit now really

Why?

[Juanma]

^ cause this is a coldplay forum .

If you want to critizise is ok,but theres so much unncesesary hate :lol:

[admnistramation]

Strike one: Brian Eno

Strike two: Every Teardrop Is A Waterfall

Strike three: Paradise

Strike four: (potentially, subject to change) Rihanna on one of the only good MX songs

Strike five: Briggins just left

fml. :bigcry:

[fakfak]

----

[Hartroc]

Strike one: Brian Eno

:rolleyes:

[Imke]

Wouldn't Briggins leaving be considered a positive by a substantial portion of coldplayers though? ;)

That's because that "substantial portion of Coldplayers" doesn't know him at all and instead of getting to know him and seeing that he's a great guy who doesn't hate Coldplay at all, you just went ahead and assumed all his mindless threads that were meant to loosen the atmosphere were just HATE HATE HATE.

[Lore]

Wouldn't Briggins leaving be considered a positive by a substantial portion of coldplayers though? ;)

You are an idiot.

[fakfak]

You are an idiot.


For the record, I never said I was happy he was gone. Frankly, I never liked or disliked him. Nonetheless, he was (to say the least) a controversial presence who stirred up more than his fair share of animosity. Yes some people were sh%*@y to him, but he gave as good as he got.

[Lore]

That's because you probably read just 1 of his posts and "stirred up"?really?

He has probably done more for this forum than any of you people from the cp section.

[WeddingDom]

*This is why I love Coldplaying*

[fakfak]

That's because you probably read just 1 of his posts and "stirred up"?really?

He has probably done more for this forum than any of you people from the cp section.

Never stirred me up. I'll admit that I didn't know the guy personally, but right or wrong people had a tendency to get upset by his posts. Some of them got very upset. I'm sorry he got driven away, but It's just not true to deny that many users (particularly more casual ones) had negative experiences with him.

And yes, he probably did do more for the forum than anyone here, that doesn't change the fact that some of what he posted caused hurt feelings and ill will.

[Lore]

I've never seen a hate post by briggins I think. People's feelings can get hurt here just by saying that Coldplay isn't perfect or saying that a particular song sucks, so I wouldn't be surprised if a harmless post caused that.

[fakfak]

I've never seen a hate post by briggins I think. People's feelings can get hurt here just by saying that Coldplay isn't perfect or saying that a particular song sucks, so I wouldn't be surprised if a harmless post caused that.


That probably true. Look, I just get kind of off put by the general tone of animosity that seems to be rising here lately and lumped him in as part of something he wasn't. I'll admit I was out of line. To you, and anyone else that was offended, I'm sorry. I'm going to delete my original post as well now.

[Lore]

Sorry for calling you an idiot. It's just that I really liked Briggins D:

[fakfak]

Sorry for calling you an idiot. It's just that I really liked Briggins D:


Oh, I am an idiot, just not for that. :laugh3:

[Lore]

that's none of my business, so sorry anyway :lol:

[Blue Nails]

^ ^^ If only everyone could end an argument like you two... :wacky: