Anyone else worried about the length?

[TwistedPolitik]

14 tracks. Maybe this will be about 60 minutes long? The last time Coldplay made an album that long was X&Y and I don't know about you guys but I and many other people consider it their weakest album by quite some distance. I'm worried this album will be too bloated or not have enough going on to hold my interest for the full 14 tracks. Anyone else feel this way?

[Brent]

I kind of am.

But they know what they're doing.

[TwistedPolitik]

I hope they do know what they're doing, but they aren't perfect. Like I said, X&Y.... :/

One of the reasons I like Parachutes and VLV so much is because they were concise and never felt bloated, it looks like they've gone back to cramming as much as possible on there though

[Cleggy]

Yes, I'm a little worried about it, especially since it's designed to be listened to in one go. What some people don't understand is that cramming an album full of songs makes it more likely for the album to fall apart. It's almost always better to keep the album concise and focused. It's a shame they didn't release the track times along with the tracklisting but I think some of those songs are short songs with lyrics or short instrumentals.

[Major_Minus_42]

I think the guys knew X&Y was too long and wouldn't do anything to jeopardise this album by making it unnecessarily long... I hope!

Like a lot have said, it's likely that a couple of the songs may be short/instrumentals.

I'm sure they do know what they're doing :P

[Major_Love]

Not really. It will be like Viva...not longer than 50 minutes.

[Osaka Sun]

I'm not really worried. It's been 6 years and I'm sure they've learned from what happened with X&Y.

[busybeeburns]

possible poll for this thread?

[Brent]

possible poll for this thread?

Ooooh yes please!

[PrinceOfChina]

Also remember- we don't know how long some of these songs are- judging by the live shows Mylo Xyloto could only be a 45 second intro

[Brent]

Also remember- we don't know how long some of these songs are- judging by the live shows Mylo Xyloto could only be a 45 second intro

:facepalm:

1. It's registered on PRS as 3:30.
2. The oracle doesn't count MX as a song when it's played as an intro.

This leads me to believe it's not :45.

SCIENCE.

[The Final Track]

Nah, I can imagine MX and MMIX are shorter tracks, so 12 tracks. Around 50 minutes.

[Cleggy]

:facepalm:

It's registered on PRS as 3:30.

The oracle doesn't count MX as a song when it's played as an intro.

This leads me to believe it's not :45.

SCIENCE.

Actually it was Major Minus that was registered to have a length of 3:30. Mylo Xyloto doesn't have a registered length.

[valypan]

I must admit I often find myself popping Prospekt´s March in the cd player, just after Viva as when Viva is over, I just want MORE! :) So I guess length is not always a bad thing: it all depends how everything is strung together

[Tom8]

Worried about the length?
That's what she said!


I'll get my coat.

[Open, Politik]

:facepalm:

1. It's registered on PRS as 3:30.
2. The oracle doesn't count MX as a song when it's played as an intro.

This leads me to believe it's not :45.

SCIENCE.

It's really Maths more than Science:P

[Brent]

It's really Maths more than Science:P

Mathematical science is a thing. :P

We'll compromise.

[busybeeburns]

Worried about the length?
That's what she said!


I'll get my coat.:lol:

[Vitamin Z]

X&Y is my absolutely favourite Coldplay album. So the more it's like that the better.

[Twisted mind]

Worried about the length?
That's what she said!


I'll get my coat.

HAHA brill! :lol:



back to the topic:

The longer the better :charming:

[Cleggy]

HAHA brill! :lol:



back to the topic:

The longer the better :charming:

It's not just about the length, the thickness matters too.

[AlfredB]

X&Y was awesome. Viva was too short. Looking forward to a better, longer follow-up.

[Open, Politik]

It has been 3 years though, maybe that played a part.

Even though they released PM.

[kriiz]

HAHA brill! :lol:



back to the topic:

The longer the better :charming:

I agree with you! :rolleyes:

[Corkus]

Remember that X&Y's tracks were all standard length or longer (seriously, "Low" went on at least 2 minutes too long), whereas we'll likely have a couple brief interlude pieces here. We already know MX is a brief opener, anyway. VLVODAAHF also wasn't quite as short as it seemed, as 3 of the tracks were multi-part songs.

Really, I have many more things I'm worried about with this album than length.

[Nattatouille]

I'm not worried about the length.

And I also object to X&Y being the weakest album to date. I love X&Y... It's one of my favourites, if not my actual favourite.

Unlike what some people are saying, I find that VLV actually is a little short and I was actually really disappointed with the running time. The tracks do make up for it, but I hate when albums are short.

I think that as long as the music is good and isn't long for the sake of it, I'd love a 60-ish minute album

[Blue Nails]

Apparently, they are confident enough to do a long album, even after X&Y. So they're either being naive, or this album is a masterpiece.

Or they're all short songs. :|


Edit: nothing against X&Y.

[Major_Love]

Viva had also 13 tracks and a length of 45 minutes. Come on guys. The album won't be longer than 50 minutes, I'm still believe it will be under 45 minutes...

[valypan]

The fact that they have included so many tracks indicates to me that they are really going all out for the big "career-defining" album this time around. With what they have learnt from Viva, I have confidence this will be their epic masterpiece :)

[macky]

My feeling is that some of these songs might be instrumentals like Parachutes or even Postcards from Far Away.

If you count the hidden tracks in Viva La Vida or even Parachutes, you probably have 13-14 songs (too lazy to count!)

[kriiz]

I think we have to trust them! They've worked so hard for us :)

[Violet]

Sound of songs >>>>> length of songs.

[Megalomania]

imo it doesn't matter how long the album is so long as the songs are good. Like The Suburbs by Arcade Fire.

[lafinion]

I'm sure that length would be about 42 minutes, maybe more - but not longer than 50 minutes for sure. I guess I've heard enough from the band about long albums and how X&Y turned out to fail mostly because of length. Not very logical to say all that, and than go and make an hour-long album. Besides they seem to be obsessed with making the album sound cohesive.

[Megalomania]

Sound of songs >>>>> length of songs.

VIOLET AGAIN?!

saying what I want to say but a lot clearer. :P

[Fix42YellowClocks]

Sound of songs >>>>> length of songs.

Very, very true. Honestly I'm thinking more like 55 minutes. That's about 4 minutes per song. I don't think there will be any instrumentals or really short songs for some reason. I just don't see it. They INTENDED on having it around 45 minutes when they had 10-12 songs lined up to make it. I think it's more like 50-55 minutes. Definitely. :nod: 3 and half to 4 minutes per song. But that's just speculation, you know.

[prjio307]

I hate when people use the X&Y comparison for length. X&Y wasn't weak because of it's length. It was weak because the band was in a rough patch and wasn't as musically focused as they are now.

With all the hard work, focus, and dedication they've put into meticulously crafting this album, I have no worries about its length/cohesiveness.

[Fix42YellowClocks]

I hate when people use the X&Y comparison for length. X&Y wasn't weak because of it's length. It was weak because the band was in a rough patch and wasn't as musically focused as they are now.

With all the hard work, focus, and dedication they've put into meticulously crafting this album, I have no worries about its length/cohesiveness.

Very true, good point. And also, they were making music they thought people EXPECTED of them rather than what they WANTED to.

[golfing7861]

Too early to be whining about length and such, time will tell :)

[Don't Shiver]

I voted that it's too long, on the basis that it would be X&Y length.

But like others have said, they hopefully almost certainly know what they're doing, so I hope my vote was the wrong choice!

:)

[Prospector]

imo it doesn't matter how long the album is so long as the songs are good. Like The Suburbs by Arcade Fire.

I like The Suburbs, very good album, but is impossible to listen to the whole thing wthout stoping or paying attention to other things at the same time.

[Destrokk]

They'll probably do something like the suburbs where they're going to make interludes or small instrumentals. Which is just fine with me, if it's just 14 songs that it's a perfect length. BUT if they're all long ballads then ok lets just hope they're good.

[SueDeNimes]

You guys like to speculate and worry about everything, right? :lol:
We'll see soon enough!

It'll be shorter once I've deleted ETIAW! :P

[Mimixxx]

It'll be shorter once I've deleted ETIAW! :P

:awesome:

[Megalomania]

It'll be shorter once I've deleted ETIAW! :P

Too true! :awesome:

[S.@.m.]

:whip:

[Cheese Nip 2]

I love long albums, and X&Y was my favorite so I'm feeling great about this! I also love concept albums, and this looks lke it's shaping up to be one!

[Blockflote]

14 tracks. Maybe this will be about 60 minutes long? The last time Coldplay made an album that long was X&Y and I don't know about you guys but I and many other people consider it their weakest album by quite some distance. I'm worried this album will be too bloated or not have enough going on to hold my interest for the full 14 tracks. Anyone else feel this way?

Sorry, but you are crazy, and your way of think is too subjective. X&Y for me is actually the best creation of Coldplay. An epic album, simple awesome. Coldplay once say that X&Y was they best work. Subjective, in my way, I hate short albums. But however, I really think this album may can unseat X&Y from my top.

[TwistedPolitik]

Of course I'm being subjective, how do you expect me not to be

I'd also like to know what makes you think I'm being 'crazy'

[Blockflote]

Of course I'm being subjective, how do you expect me not to be

I'd also like to know what makes you think I'm being 'crazy'

Consider X&Y their weakest album make me think in that way :rolleyes:
But well, it doesn't matter.

[TwistedPolitik]

A lot of people think it's their weakest as well, it's not a bad album by any means though

[c0ldplay420]

Let's see....since the album has been named all i see is constant barrage of "Can't wait for this album" threads and posts. Now apparently the album might be too long?

Come on give me a break. This album is going to be great just like ALL there albums (yes even X&Y, still dont know why people demoralize that album). I for one can not wait for it and I say the longer the better (and that is what SHE said) :)

[Hartroc]

This album is going to be great just like ALL there albums (yes even X&Y, still dont know why people demoralize that album).)

Because it's not a good album. :laugh3:

I'm terrified that this will be another X&Y.

[TwistedPolitik]

Because it's not a good album. :laugh3:

I'm terrified that this will be another X&Y.

this

[The envoy]

I like long songs a lot...

[c0ldplay420]

Because it's not a good album. :laugh3:

I'm terrified that this will be another X&Y.

lol What was so bad about it? Was it the epic songs? The fact that they were experimenting with the traditional Coldplay sound? THe fact that they were growing as a band?

this

It's funny how your screenname here contains a piece of the X&Y album "Twisted"

Not saying it stems from that but the thought intrigues me.

[TwistedPolitik]

I love the ending to Twisted Logic, that's why it's there, so you were right haha

[TwistedPolitik]

I like long songs a lot...

As do I, but Coldplay have proven that they can't pull off a lengthy album

[TwistedPolitik]

lol What was so bad about it? Was it the epic songs? The fact that they were experimenting with the traditional Coldplay sound? THe fact that they were growing as a band?

The songs weren't epic, they didn't experiment and they weren't growing as a band. Maybe you are mistaken with Viva la Vida or A Rush of Blood to the Head?

[c0ldplay420]

The songs weren't epic, they didn't experiment and they weren't growing as a band. Maybe you are mistaken with Viva la Vida or A Rush of Blood to the Head?

Ok for the sake of arguement lets say I am wrong. I've heard a lot of people say the album was bad....but I have yet to hear anyone say WHY it was bad. SO please explain...

[c0ldplay420]

I love the ending to Twisted Logic, that's why it's there, so you were right haha

Interesting

[TwistedPolitik]

Well that is kind of my explanation. For starters the songs don't hold up anywhere near as well as on AROBTTH or even Parachutes. I mean they'd had the promising debut album and in many peoples' opinions they have shown they had the strength to stay with AROBTTH, but X&Y didn't progress anything. It was bloated, the songs were meandering and forgettable for the most part and it came very close to being a self-parody IMO

It doesn't help that the songwriting is generally the weakest from any Coldplay album either

[c0ldplay420]

Well that is kind of my explanation. For starters the songs don't hold up anywhere near as well as on AROBTTH or even Parachutes. I mean they'd had the promising debut album and in many peoples' opinions they have shown they had the strength to stay with AROBTTH, but X&Y didn't progress anything. It was bloated, the songs were meandering and forgettable for the most part and it came very close to being a self-parody IMO

It doesn't help that the songwriting is generally the weakest from any Coldplay album either

The lyrics were more straight forward....but saying they are weak is a stretch. I feel the only reason even the band stated bad thoughts about the album is because of the public perception.

I guess this is where we can say opinions are opinions. Me as a musician and fan loved X&Y and feel this album is just going to show the direction they are headed in. VLV was genius and so far from what I have heard MX is gearing up to be great. But i digress...different strokes for different folks.

[The envoy]

As do I, but Coldplay have proven that they can't pull off a lengthy album

Well, maybe it's their time to show that they can. Fingers crossed!

[Cheese Nip 2]

Well that is kind of my explanation. For starters the songs don't hold up anywhere near as well as on AROBTTH or even Parachutes. I mean they'd had the promising debut album and in many peoples' opinions they have shown they had the strength to stay with AROBTTH, but X&Y didn't progress anything. It was bloated, the songs were meandering and forgettable for the most part and it came very close to being a self-parody IMO

It doesn't help that the songwriting is generally the weakest from any Coldplay album either

Dude, honestly that's just you opinion. I don't mean to sound rude, so please don't take this the wrong way. I am one of many who think that album is one of the greatest ever made. You don't have to think that, that's okay, but the fact that you have already posted like 5 posts on how much you don't like it is getting annoying. Sorry, but I think it is their strongest writing, and I think that opinion should be valid as well. To me your sounding like your stating facts or something, and there opinions. Again, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't take this the wrong way, I HATE QUABBLES!! I'm just trying to stop this before this thread, which should be happy, turns into a battlefield.

PLEASE DON'T REPLY TO THIS AND PLEASE LET'S CHANGE THE SUBJECT BEFORE THINGS GET OUT OF HAND

:nod:

[SueDeNimes]

I still find the title hilarious because of reasons pointed out earlier in the thread already... could as well have been made by a spammer! :lol:

I loved playing X&Y at work in 2006. It didn't disturb or wasn't requiring too much attention.
That's a good thing for me, not a bad thing.
And I don't think albums should be long or short or inbetween a certain time frame in general.
Well it has all been said already: the content is what counts!

Good night everyone! :nice:

EDIT: To stay within the spammer interpretation - it's not the length that matters, it matters what the artist can do with it. :P :wink3:

[Hartroc]

The lyrics were more straight forward....but saying they are weak is a stretch. I feel the only reason even the band stated bad thoughts about the album is because of the public perception.

I guess this is where we can say opinions are opinions. Me as a musician and fan loved X&Y and feel this album is just going to show the direction they are headed in. VLV was genius and so far from what I have heard MX is gearing up to be great. But i digress...different strokes for different folks.

Fix You, What If, Swallowed in the Sea, and A Message all boast terrible lyrics. Not just more straightforward. Straight-up bad. As for the rest of it...the songs all have the same structure, the melodic styles are pretty unvaried and they didn't really experiment with their sound at all...they just added some electronic sounding noises and claimed they did.

The artwork is awesome though. :P

[Cheese Nip 2]

By the way nice avatar @Twisted Politik

[c0ldplay420]

Fix You, What If, Swallowed in the Sea, and A Message all boast terrible lyrics. Not just more straightforward. Straight-up bad. As for the rest of it...the songs all have the same structure, the melodic styles are pretty unvaried and they didn't really experiment with their sound at all...they just added some electronic sounding noises and claimed they did.

The artwork is awesome though. :P

Yet another member that has X&Y paraphernalia through out his Coldplaying profile. I am just intrigued that you all have such low opinions of the album yet found something worth while to hold on to. Maybe it wasnt such a bad album after all.

[c0ldplay420]

I can already see everyone saying "Oh no they used too much melotron on the backing vocals" ,"That chord was over used", and my favorite "It sounds like a U2, Aracade Fire, or Elbow song"

Lol

[TwistedPolitik]

I can already see everyone saying "Oh no they used too much melotron on the backing vocals" ,"That chord was over used", and my favorite "It sounds like a U2, Aracade Fire, or Elbow song"

Lol

Piss off, take it elsewhere if you wanna argue about X&Y

[TwistedPolitik]

By the way nice avatar @Twisted Politik

Thanks :p

[c0ldplay420]

Piss off, take it elsewhere if you wanna argue about X&Y

Not arguing man calm down was just a joke hence the "Lol"

try not to take the internet so seriously

[TwistedPolitik]

Well you're constantly posting so I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to take it other than "I want to try and cause an argument here"

[Blockflote]

Dude, honestly that's just you opinion. I don't mean to sound rude, so please don't take this the wrong way. I am one of many who think that album is one of the greatest ever made. You don't have to think that, that's okay, but the fact that you have already posted like 5 posts on how much you don't like it is getting annoying. Sorry, but I think it is their strongest writing, and I think that opinion should be valid as well. To me your sounding like your stating facts or something, and there opinions. Again, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't take this the wrong way, I HATE QUABBLES!! I'm just trying to stop this before this thread, which should be happy, turns into a battlefield.

PLEASE DON'T REPLY TO THIS AND PLEASE LET'S CHANGE THE SUBJECT BEFORE THINGS GET OUT OF HAND

:nod:

^This, thank you. It freak me out.

[Blockflote]

Fix You, What If, Swallowed in the Sea, and A Message all boast terrible lyrics. Not just more straightforward. Straight-up bad. As for the rest of it...the songs all have the same structure, the melodic styles are pretty unvaried and they didn't really experiment with their sound at all...they just added some electronic sounding noises and claimed they did.

The artwork is awesome though. :P

Oh sorry, and all the songs of Parachute and AROBTTH have different structure and melody varied.. LOL
My gosh, X&Y in your way opinion is better than Parachutes and AROBTTH, but less than VLVODAAHF.

Not valid arguments to feel shame about the extraordinary X&Y ;)

[TwistedPolitik]

Can we please just just stay away from the topic? Leave it for another thread, this isn't about X&Y.

[TwistedPolitik]

^This, thank you. It freak me out.

Funny seeing as you're the one who started the X&Y debate. Just stop it.

[Blockflote]

Funny seeing as you're the one who started the X&Y debate. Just stop it.

Who say anoying comments about X&Y? Im only on defence of this extraordinary work of my favorite band. :)

You make the topic like this, trying to compare if Mylo Xyloto gonna be a nice album "short" like Parachutes or AROBTTH, or a bad (?) album like X&Y. So, read what are you writing first.

[c0ldplay420]

Well you're constantly posting so I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to take it other than "I want to try and cause an argument here"

Not at all was just trying to figure out why in your opinion it was a weak album

But I agree lets not talk about X&Y and please stay on topic....my apologies

[c0ldplay420]

Who say anoying comments about X&Y? Im only on defence of this extraordinary work of my favorite band. :)

Defend it all you want but he has a point. This topic is about MX and its length so please stay on topic

[TwistedPolitik]

Who say anoying comments about X&Y? Im only on defence of this extraordinary work of my favorite band. :)

You make the topic like this, trying to compare if Mylo Xyloto gonna be a nice album "short" like Parachutes or AROBTTH, or a bad (?) album like X&Y. So, read what are you writing first.

Let me re-phrase. Stop trying to cause bother or I'm reporting you. Is that better?

[TwistedPolitik]

Defend it all you want but he has a point. This topic is about MX and its length so please stay on topic

Thanks for seeing my side of things. We disagree about an older album's quality but that shouldn't get in the way of this thread, which is about a new album.

[Blockflote]

Let me re-phrase. Stop trying to cause bother or I'm reporting you. Is that better?

Well, reporting me cause what? I only trying to say another opinion, cause you are only attacking X&Y. You have to be more tolerant, dude.

Say valid arguments to your worry about the lenght of the album, without compare it with another albums (and in that way, not attacking anyone of these ;) )

Btw, don't threaten me.

[footyfan10]

My feeling is that some of these songs won't be more than 3 minutes. I expect some could even be close to 2 minutes. If you think 10 songs clock in at 3:30 and 4 at 2:30, I think we could get a 45 minute album. Which is very normal. They will never repeat the mistakes of X & Y again

[aschall]

lets assume the album is 45 minutes long.
lets also assume that 3 of the 14 tracks are 40 second instrumentals.
you're left with 43 minutes.
thats still about 3:52 for each full song.
obviously i dont know how long the album will be, but at 45 minutes including 3 instrumentals, i dont think we need to worry about MX being to long or short. C'mon, Coldplay aren't stupid enough to make an hour long album:thinking:

[Blue Glisten]

Nah, I can imagine MX and MMIX are shorter tracks, so 12 tracks. Around 50 minutes.

I'm agree :)

[TwistedPolitik]

Well, reporting me cause what? I only trying to say another opinion, cause you are only attacking X&Y. You have to be more tolerant, dude.

Say valid arguments to your worry about the lenght of the album, without compare it with another albums (and in that way, not attacking anyone of these ;) )

Btw, don't threaten me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X%26Y#Reception

[Blockflote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X%26Y#Reception

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjectivity

Btw, I agree about the instrumental songs (Mylo Xyloto and M.X.I.X)

[TwistedPolitik]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjectivity

Btw, I agree about the instrumental songs (Mylo Xyloto and M.X.I.X)

*sigh*

[Megalomania]

VERY MATURE POST INCOMING

Anyone else worried about the length?

that's what she said :wacky:

[Hartroc]

Oh sorry, and all the songs of Parachute and AROBTTH have different structure and melody varied.. LOL
My gosh, X&Y in your way opinion is better than Parachutes and AROBTTH, but less than VLVODAAHF.

Not valid arguments to feel shame about the extraordinary X&Y ;)

Perhaps not, but the terrible lyrics are.

And X&Y's fast song, slow song, fast song, slow song, fast song, slow song, fast song structure gets really irritating after awhile.

[Blockflote]

Perhaps not, but the terrible lyrics are.

And X&Y's fast song, slow song, fast song, slow song, fast song, slow song, fast song structure gets really irritating after awhile.

It's not totally true that thing about slow, fast, slow, fast.
Lyrics terrible? A message, swallowed in the sea, what if, fix you, the hardest part, maybe talk has great lyrics about feelings. White shadows, x&y, square one, speed of sound, low, have another meanings about life, space, etc.

But well, that's subjective.

I love every song of coldplay, i don't care about if is slow, fast, with good or bad lyrics (I don't feel it). And MX gonna be another pure genius album.

[ColdplayingfromKansas]

Meh, I'm not worried about the length so much as how well the songs fit together as a whole.

X&Y, for example: I don't mind the length, but I think that the guys could have switched around or swapped out some songs and gotten a better result overall.

From what the Oracle, Roadie, and others have said though, it seems that the guys are pretty confident about their choice of songs, so I'm not unduly worried ;)

[Connor!42!]

well i know i'm a few hours late but i just woke up and was so suprised when i saw that amount of songs

14 !!! wooooo. not worried at all :)

[TwistedPolitik]

It's not totally true that thing about slow, fast, slow, fast.
Lyrics terrible? A message, swallowed in the sea, what if, fix you, the hardest part, maybe talk has great lyrics about feelings. White shadows, x&y, square one, speed of sound, low, have another meanings about life, space, etc.

But well, that's subjective.

I love every song of coldplay, i don't care about if is slow, fast, with good or bad lyrics (I don't feel it). And MX gonna be another pure genius album.

We can agree that Coldplay are a good band and that is why this started. I love them and I'm worried they'll deliver an album like X&Y which myself and many others don't think is up to their standard, that's all. Why do you have a problem with that? We aren't saying it's bad, we're just saying it's their weakest album at the minute.

[Blockflote]

We can agree that Coldplay are a good band and that is why this started. I love them and I'm worried they'll deliver an album like X&Y which myself and many others don't think is up to their standard, that's all. Why do you have a problem with that? We aren't saying it's bad, we're just saying it's their weakest album at the minute.

I don't have any problem dude, it's just that I and many others just think it's not their weakest album, like you say. If you don't like, no problem, but, how i said you, don't compare it with another albums (X&Y, Parachutes, AROBTTH). Say you and many others don't like it too large, that's all. Compare and disparage an album seems weak to you and many others is not an objective way to think.

I like X&Y and if MX is too long, I will like it also.

[cackyy]

I don't get the xandy hate, I think it's their best, well, whatever's..too each his own

[purplemonkeyz232]

It's not really the length I'm worried about. As long as the album is solid, wonderful, fresh, and...well...Coldplay, then I don't care how long it is! :D

[Fix42YellowClocks]

Well, since we're already off-topic and not going by what the thread is supposed to be about. Tocqueville states that the principle of equality here in the thread breeds natural Cartesianism. This makes us all very individualistic and more self-reliant than if there was inequality, because if we're all equal how is anyone else's opinion greater than ours? If we're all equal (BY PRINCIPLE) ours is as good as any. And in that mind-set we close ourselves off to the outside world and get wrapped up in ourselves. I hypothesize many people dislike X&Y because of a branch of this idea. He says that despite our Cartesianism we become insecure and wonder if our opinions are right. Eventually a majority opinion surfaces and our vulnerabilities are exposed. Even if we're 'wrong', siding with the majority has fewer consequences than being with the minority and thus outnumbered and overpowered. It's the tyranny of the majority as Tocqueville calls it, my friends. X&Y is a fantastic album, it's just the primary opinion has taken over and subconsciously persuaded them to adapt the prevailing mindset of X&Y, which was negative by the standards of critics and even our own Chris Martin.

[The Duke]

Seperate out the tracks properly and Viva is at 13 tracks for 42 minutes. 14 tracks shouldn't be a problem. 50 minutes tops is my guess.

[Hartroc]

It's not totally true that thing about slow, fast, slow, fast.
Lyrics terrible? A message, swallowed in the sea, what if, fix you, the hardest part, maybe talk has great lyrics about feelings. White shadows, x&y, square one, speed of sound, low, have another meanings about life, space, etc.

But well, that's subjective.

I love every song of coldplay, i don't care about if is slow, fast, with good or bad lyrics (I don't feel it). And MX gonna be another pure genius album.

Of course it's subjective. When I say something is terrible, I just mean I PERSONALLY think that it is objectively (and relatively) so. For the record, I think that every single song you mentioned with lyrics about "feelings" DO have lyrics that are objectively (and relatively) not good. By not good, I mean uncreative, stuffed-with-cliches, etc. I enjoy and relate to lyrics that are more abstact, more thought-provoking, and more unique than "My song is love," "What if you should decide that you don't want me there in your life," and "When you love someone but it goes to waste, what could be worse?"

Cheesy is fun to an extent, but I don't think it should be hailed as genius. Musically, X&Y has some great songs (Low, Twisted Logic, White Shadows, Fix You), but the lyrics are (to me) too trite to be taken seriously. Some of the arrangements are a tad overblown as well.

On a somewhat related - if contrary - note, I think Speed of Sound has some pretty good lyrics, arguably some of Mr. Martin's best.

[Kiame]

I think a few of the songs will only be very short.

I'm telling you people, these fourteen songs won't all be 3-4 minutes long. Not a chance. Considering how much Coldplay regret making X&Y a long album, I'd doubt they'd do it again.

[JackZ]

Well...here's what I'd think about it. Jonny said that they fit everything they wanted into 42 and a half minutes, but he also said they were probably going to have only 10 songs on the album. So I'd say those original 10 songs are 42.5 minutes altogether. Somebody else said that it was all fitting into about 50 minutes with Chris saying he wanted 13 songs. So, with 14 songs, I'd expect there to be slightly more than 50 minutes in main tracks. However, if there are hidden tracks then it might be closer to an hour.

[The Duke]

I think a few of the songs will only be very short.

I'm telling you people, these fourteen songs won't all be 3-4 minutes long. Not a chance. Considering how much Coldplay regret making X&Y a long album, I'd doubt they'd do it again.

It would surprise me if we didn't see anything longer than Paradise's 4:38 length. X&Y averages 5+ minutes a song.

[trinest]

My favorite album from the "old gen" is A Rush of Blood to the Head. However I'm quite enjoying what I've seen of this new one, and I didn't quite mind the past few albums either.

When it comes to X&Y I think for me wasn't the length, but more the quaility of the album. Looking at the track listing there isn't many songs from it which I go back and listen to over and over. However even with just the little bit from Mylo Xyloto I've been listing to the songs over and over and enjoying them.

[anacaren08]

I :heart: X&Y and im not afraid to say it! :D

Its my second favorite coldplay album, (AROBTTH favorite of all time)

So yea, not really worried. Im trusting their judgement :)

[c0ldplay420]

I wonder....How can more music (a.k.a. longer songs) from a great band be a bad thing?

[Kiame]

I wonder....How can more music (a.k.a. longer songs) from a great band be a bad thing?

Because it tears the album apart, that's why. X&Y is a classic example. The reason it was canned by nearly every music critic on earth and is most people's least favourite album is because it's long, it's messy and it is all over the place.

Lady GaGa is another person who writes very popular music but her albums are convoluted messes. An album has to flow, it has to be accessible and it has to hook you. Long albums can't do that.

Also, when Chris Martin was asked what one thing would he do if he could travel back in time he said he would travel back in time before X&Y was released and cut it down. So Coldplay themselves are very much against long albums too.

This is why these "fourteen" tracks will probably end up being around the same length as VLVADAAHF. There are 13 tracks on Viva, counting Chinese Sleep Chant, The Escapist and Reign of Love.

[givelovesolong]

Besides having heard random songs from previous releases, "X&Y" was the album that I was first really exposed to and it completely drew me in. It has songs that I'll still always add to my playlists, and even if the boys would rethink it's length, I still think it stands up for it's worth.

Regarding the length of MX, I'm not worried. As much as I would love for it to be a long one, I'd really rather see it be something of exceptional quality instead. Which I have no doubt it will be.

[valypan]

Will has given his blessing to 14 tracks...who are we to disagree ? hehe

[Brent]

Lady GaGa is another person who writes very popular music but her albums are convoluted messes. An album has to flow, it has to be accessible and it has to hook you. Long albums can't do that.


Agreed. She's ridiculously talented but cannot put together an album for crap. :laugh3:

X&Y wasn't really "panned." Some critics called it their masterpiece. I think it's just how they interpret the work. I for one thought it was really messy, but there are some amazing moments on the record. If only it were concise!

[Batmotor]

i really dont care about the length,if it's a great album,then who cares?

[camille93]

Just my 2 cents:
It's highly unlikely that the album's length will exceed 50 minutes (it will probably be a little less). This is because there will also be a Vinyl Edition, and the length of an LP side is restricted to 25 minutes (if you don't wan't any impacts on the sound-quality).
So my guess is that it'll be something around 45 minutes long ;)

Greets

[Harondor]

I also think that the album is around 40 or 45mn.
I'm pretty sure that songs like UFO and MMIX are very short, sorts of opener and closer of the antagonist ETIAW/MM.

But finally we've waited so long for this album, so just let's enjoy !

[Seppel]

i guess it will be between 45 and 52 minutes, containing some short instrumental interludes

[Samuel_94]

Yeah definitely between 40 and 50 minutes. Hopefully Wikipedia or Amazon will put up a length in the next few weeks!

[Odvan]

One of the most stupidest topic I've ever read there. Not because X&Y one of the best albums personally for me, but how more songs from your favourite band could be bad????

[Samuel_94]

^ Some people, not me, think the longer an album is it gets a bit... I dunno too long???? If you want to listen to it all in one go!

[Odvan]

^ Some people, not me, think the longer an album is it gets a bit... I dunno too long???? If you want to listen to it all in one go!
So 50 minutes is OK, but 51 minutes is too long? Amazing. Did you ever hear some small alternative band Pink Floyd and it's double CD The Wall? Or RHCP Stadium Arcadium?

I've never get why people heard somewhere X&Y is too long and keep repeating this BS since 2005. I hate generalisations. Think different for christs sake, don't repeat BS. X&Y has it's flaws, but it has nothing to do with length.

[Samuel_94]

All right, calm down mate I did say that I didn't share that opinion and I was just answering your question!!!! And I don't remember anyone saying that 51 minutes is too long but 50 isn't. Your missing the point!

[givelovesolong]

To me, it would be totally plausible for MX to have a couple more tracks and be a little longer if it is, as being theorised right now, supposed to have two halves -- or two different parts. Which means it's possible the boys didn't adhere to their withstanding rule of "no longer than 42 minutes (or 9 tracks)," or worry about any regrets they may have with regard to X&Y's length, because for this occasion it was necessary. And obviously, agreed upon.

Either way, I'm completely happy with the fact it will have 14 tracks, whether it turns out to include a couple of instrumentals or not. As long as it's a good album, I'm not going to worry about anything else.

[The envoy]

I bet it will be between 50 and 60 minutes long.

[princesanji]

an average length of 3:30 per song *14 means 49 minutes.... just saying....
so there might be more short ones which bothers me a bit but well, i will wait and see

[ChadBC]

Well just because it's 14 songs, doesn't mean it will an hour long, per se. I do think it will be around 45-47 minutes though. Something like...

Mylo Xyloto: 1:45
Hurts Like Heaven: 4:00
Paradise: 4:38
Charlie Brown: 4:30
Us Against the World: 3:10
M.M.I.X.: 1:00
Every Teardrop Is a Waterfall: 4:00
Major Minus: 3:30
U.F.O.: 3:30
Princess of China: 3:45
Up in Flames: 4:00
A Hopeful Transmission: 0:45
Don't Let It Break Your Heart: 3:45
Up with the Birds: 4:45

Which equals out to around 45 minutes long more or less.

[Cyan Kat]

I might just delete the songs I don't like off it. I'll only end up skipping them anyways :nod:

[rafaelchampion]

42 minutes = 2520 seconds
2520 seconds / 14 songs = 180 seconds/song
180 seconds/song / 60 seconds (1 minute) = ~~~ 3 Minutes/Song
===============================================

Mylo Xyloto = 42 seconds - 3 minutes = 2 minutes and 18 seconds to spend with other songs
(+1 to ETIAW and +1 to Paradise, for example)

still got 3 minutes to each song

another instrumental = ~ 1 or 2 minutes to spend with other songs
(+1 to HLH and +1 to Charlie Brown)

still got ~3 minutes to each song.
===============================================

42 minutes - 14 songs: I think it's possible!

[rafaelchampion]

Damned double post

[Cyan Kat]

I'm sure half the songs we've already heard are longer than 3 minutes :thinking:

[Crests]

no

[ColdplayingfromKansas]

I'm not unduly worried about the length. I mean, look at Pink Floyd's The Wall, it was divided into two parts also, but it's still much longer than MX and it's considered one of the greatest albums of all time! :P

Besides, the guys have said in the past that they don't like long albums--why go back on what they've said if they didn't think each and every song deserves to be a part of the album?

[RWLover]

Not worried at all. I've made a little compilation for myself with the 7 tracks we have (that includes MX as Mylo Xyloto) and that only is slightly over 25 minutes. If the other 7 songs round up to something likewise, the length of the album isn't to be worried about.

[xylobryte]

A quick run-through, some lengths rounded:

Mylo Xyloto - 3:30 (according to the database entry we saw 2 months ago)
Hurts Like Heaven - 4:00 (roughly, acccording to the live version)
Paradise - 4:38 (confirmed)
Charlie Brown - 4:20 (roughly, according to the live version, with piano at the end)
Us Against The World - 4:00 (according to live version)
M.M.I.X. - Unknown
Every Teardrop Is A Waterfall - 4:03 (confirmed)
Major Minus - 3:30 (confirmed)
UFO - Unknown
Princess Of China - 3:30 (according to live version)
Up In Flames - Unknown
A Hopeful Transmission - Unknown
Don't Let It Break Your Heart - Unknown
Up With The Birds - 3:30 (according to database entries)

That gets us 9 tracks; totalling 35:01.
Of the remaining 5, two are confirmed "full" songs, so we'll estimate 3:30 for each of them, getting us 42:01, and the last three are completely unknown. So the album will almost definitely be over 42 minutes. As for MMIX, UFO and AHT, I'd guess they too are full songs (no evidence to support that at all), so I estimate MX to have a length of about 52:30.

[Famous Old Painter]

I hope it is really long, because 3 of the songs suck so far and I want to just take those off the version I listen to. And hopefully it'll still feel the length of a proper album.

[Nangolan]

the lenght is the last of the "problems".
i'm more worried about the quality of their music......

[MeriCri]

I kind of am.

But they know what they're doing.

Not sure about this now :confused:
After listening to Paradise I'm asking to myself what are they think about, what are they doing??! 14 song might be too many, now ...
Hope to be wrong, actually :D

[Ronnie O Sullivan]

when we will see the lenght of the tracks at itunes or amazon ?!?

[Batmotor]

One of the most stupidest topic I've ever read there. Not because X&Y one of the best albums personally for me, but how more songs from your favourite band could be bad????

X&Y is indeed Coldplay's best album.

[Samuel_94]

I guarantee that Mylo Xyloto won't be bad. It won't be inferior to AROBTTH, VLV or X&Y. For some people it may be their favourite of them all. We have glimpsed (or more than) some of the new songs and a lot of people have something good to say about all of them.

[Samuel_94]

Remember when Guy told Radio 1 that he couldn't describe the sound of the album because "all of the songs are different". This has the making for their best album yet!!!

[Cobalt]

Lyrics terrible? A message, swallowed in the sea, what if, fix you, the hardest part, maybe talk has great lyrics about feelings White shadows, x&y, square one, speed of sound, low, have another meanings about life, space, e

what if the hardest part great lyrics

I may like these songs but please do not try to make this argument again.

The reason why I fuss is because I don't want 'filler' songs that aren't of such great quality on there.
If there are a lot of filler songs thrown in there just because they fit this story thing I'm going to be quite annoyed because that is not how you write a story. If one part of it's crap and not up to standards it's usually better to just scrap that part and start afresh. You don't try to polish the turd.

There is an interview floating around somewhere, with Coldplay themselves, where one of them (I think it was Jonny?) admitted afterwards that X&Y did feel bloated. Bloated is different from full - full involves satisfaction of the food eaten. Bloated indicates discomfort, or just too much.

Now I would normally trust them with such an issue but these new singles have me a bit on edge on where they are going with this whole thing. We can only wait and see though.

[Mark]

X&Y is indeed Coldplay's best album.

If X&Y is so great, why did they only play Fix You from it this summer?

[Fix42YellowClocks]

While I disagree with Batmotor's statement, just because they don't play a lot of songs from it doesn't mean it's not good. The band themselves have stated they don't personally like it in retrospect looking back on it and that's fine. That doesn't make it a bad album just because they themselves don't like it as much as the others. Not everyone feels exactly like the band does.

[Blockflote]

I may like these songs but please do not try to make this argument again.

The reason why I fuss is because I don't want 'filler' songs that aren't of such great quality on there.
If there are a lot of filler songs thrown in there just because they fit this story thing I'm going to be quite annoyed because that is not how you write a story. If one part of it's crap and not up to standards it's usually better to just scrap that part and start afresh. You don't try to polish the turd.

There is an interview floating around somewhere, with Coldplay themselves, where one of them (I think it was Jonny?) admitted afterwards that X&Y did feel bloated. Bloated is different from full - full involves satisfaction of the food eaten. Bloated indicates discomfort, or just too much.

Now I would normally trust them with such an issue but these new singles have me a bit on edge on where they are going with this whole thing. We can only wait and see though.

I, actually, really like those songs. It's subjective, I know. But I like it. What If and The Hardest Part are sadly songs, but aren't bad cause it. Don't you ever feel sad? :stunned: I don't think these are "filler songs".

There's an interview (I don't remember so well), where they said X&Y was their best work.
Everybody has differents taste. We can't say it's bad or good.

[Blockflote]

If X&Y is so great, why did they only play Fix You from it this summer?

I think it's because AROBTTH songs are more catchy, don't know really well.
Im a bit sad because they are only playing Fix You. But well, what can I do.

[Amsterdam33]

Well I hope its longer than 45min...... I happen to think that 48-55min is about perfect for an album with 11-14 songs. No longer no shorter.....

But seriously shorter albums are overrated. If you have 14 great songs than put them on the darn album. I mean bands only put out 1 album every 2 to 3 years at the earliest anyways. Usually its 3-4 now for full albums...


Lets break it down so far:


1. Every Tear Drop is a Waterfall- 4:03
2. Major Minus- 3:31
3. Paradise- 4:39

Then add in the songs that were played live:

4. Hurts Like Heavan- Approx. 4:45
5. Charlie Brown- Approx. 4:00
6. Princess of China- Apporx. 3:50
7. Us Against the World: Approx. 3:30


So ASSUMING that all 14 songs on the album are NOT Full songs then lets add those 7 up.........and that gives us about 28-29min......Thats means that the average song is just over 4 minutes........

So my guess is that 5 of the 7 songs remaining are full length songs so add those up (MAJOR SPECULATION):

8. A Hopeful Transmission- 4:10
9. Up In Flames- 4:40
10. Up With the Birds- 4:05
11. U.F.O.- 3:25
12. DLIBYH- 4:15

We then add those up as projections and we get about 20-21min....

Then we add the following two songs as basically intros as thats what I think they'll be...

13. Mylo Xyloto- 1:05
14. M.M.I.X.- 00:45

So add all three phases up and you get about 50-53 minutes give or take......


Just cause I did all this work i'm gonna put my money on 51:42.........

So I think were looking at MINIMUM 48 minutes unless U.F.O. is an intro too....

[harrisonrules]

1. mylo xyloto 3:30 (still up for debate though if that's accurate)
2. hurts like heaven 4:00 (based on live performance)
3. paradise 4:30 roughly (confirmed)
4. charlie brown 4:30 (based on live performance and includes piano outro)
5. us against the world 3:30 (based on live performance)
6. mmix (unknown)
7. every teardrop is a waterfall 4:00 roughly (confirmed)
8. major minus 3:30 roughly (confirmed)
9. ufo (unknown)
10. princess of china 3:30 (again based off live performance)
11. up in flames 3:15 (based on live performance)
12. a hopeful transmission (i expect an instrumental but unknown)
13. dont let it break your heart (might find out at acl)
14. up with the birds (unknown)

so that leaves us with this:
5 songs that are still up in the air
9 songs that add up to about 34 minutes
if each of the other songs is about 3 minutes average thats 48 - 50 minutes

it will be interesting to see how my calculations add up

[Juanma]

Will Champion: "Mylo Xyloto is long in titles but short in duration"

[howyousawtheworld]

A Hopeful Transmission I think will be a short interlude as may MMIX

[aschall]

Will Champion: "Mylo Xyloto is long in titles but short in duration"

^like Beatles albums. there are a lot of 1:00 to 2:30 length songs in their albums. and i like that. hopefully it'll translate to Mylo Xyloto

[Skuze23]

Will Champion: "Mylo Xyloto is long in titles but short in duration"

Yes he said it in yesterday's interview with Steve Lamacq - ' just under 45 minutes '

[Juanma]

^that!

[Blue Glisten]

I don't worry about the lengh.
But I worry about the pink girly style ultra commercial of it.

[barker113]

I'm looking forward to this album! They've been working hard for the past three years, so I have no doubt it'll be great. Is it October yet?!

[Cleggy]

Did anybody notice how Will said something about the album being 14 or 11 tracks that can be listened to in one go? Maybe he's hinting that 3 of the tracks are just short instrumental songs that aren't technically songs at all and that only 11 songs are full length pieces. If this is true, I think that the most likely candidates to be short songs are MMIX, UFO and A Hopeful Transmission.

[harrisonrules]

Mylo Xyloto: 45 seconds
Hurts Like Heaven 4 minutes
Paradise: 4 minutes 30 seconds
Charlie Brown: 4 minutes 30 seconds
Us Against The World: 3 minutes 30 seconds
M.M.I.X: 30 seconds (total guess)
Every Teardrop Is A Waterfall 4 minutes
Major Minus: 3 minutes 30 seconds
UFO: 3 minutes (guess)
Princess Of China: 3 minutes 30 seconds seconds
Up In Flames: 3 minutes
A Hopeful Transmission 1 minute (guess)
Dont Let It Break Your Heart: 3 minutes (guess)
Up With The Birds: 3 minutes 30 seconds

[isrlns]

Mylo Xyloto: 45 seconds
Hurts Like Heaven 4 minutes
Paradise: 4 minutes 30 seconds
Charlie Brown: 4 minutes 30 seconds
Us Against The World: 3 minutes 30 seconds
M.M.I.X: 30 seconds (total guess)
Every Teardrop Is A Waterfall 4 minutes
Major Minus: 3 minutes 30 seconds
UFO: 3 minutes (guess)
Princess Of China: 3 minutes 30 seconds seconds
Up In Flames: 3 minutes
A Hopeful Transmission 1 minute (guess)
Dont Let It Break Your Heart: 3 minutes (guess)
Up With The Birds: 3 minutes 30 seconds

I would say Mylo Xyloto is 42 seconds (as the intro to Life in Technicolor)

[harrisonrules]

Yes and Paradise is 4:38 and ETIAW is 4:03 but I didnt use the exact times obviously.

[Kacey]

I did a rough add up of the songs that we have heard. It's under 33 minutes so far? That's more than 10 minutes left for MMIX, UFO, DLIBYH, and UWTB.

[Stv]

Mylo Xyloto - 0:43
Hurts Like Heaven - 4:00
Paradise - 4:38
Charlie Brown - 4:40
Us Against The World - 3:57
M.M.I.X. - 0:25* (If it is the alien-esque intro they have used in festivals before ETIAW)
Every Teardrop Is A Waterfall - 3:59
Major Minus - 3:30
U.F.O. - 0:53?
Princess Of China - 3:39
Up In Flames - 3:30
A Hopeful Transmission - 3:57?
Don't Let It Break Your Heart - 4:00 (If it is a song like Charlie Brown or Hurts Like Heaven)
Up With The Birds - 3:30 (PRS database?)

EDIT: My head burnt from working :freak:

It's about 45:35, if it's similar

[Stv]

*If you don't know what alien-esque intro I'm talking about, here it is:

Coldplay - Every Teardrop is a Waterfall recorded live at Lollapalooza, August 5th, 2011 - YouTube

[Prospector]

^I can't hear anything "alien" on that intro....that's more like the Violet Hill synth intro, and I think M.M.I.X. is not that, it's an instrumental and short but different, they wouldn't put a name on 25 seconds of just synths.

[footyfan10]

all ye who thought it would be another over long record like x&y...ye of little faith

[Cobalt]

Not really, because X&Y just proves that it has happened before.

[Stv]

they wouldn't put a name on 25 seconds of just synths.

probably those synth sounds, but with longer length :thinking:

It's ambient :dozey:

Coldplay - Poppyfields - YouTube

Radiohead - MK 1 [In Rainbows Disc 2] - YouTube

Radiohead - MK 2 [In Rainbows Disc 2] - YouTube

Keane - House Lights - YouTube

[The envoy]

I guess an average song length of 3/4 minutes, two or three short instrumentals of 1 minute more or less and maybe a song longer than 5 minutes...