Biggest club in the world!!!!

[tilolas]

Benfica to pip Man United for Guinness world record

10 November 2006 |

Portuguese giants Benfica have set a new Guinness world record for the football club with the most paid up members, surpassing the previous record set by Manchester United, Portuguese media reported on Friday.

Benfica president Luis Filipe Vieira and a Guinness World Record official will make the announcement at a press conference later on Friday, sports daily A Bola reported citing club officials.

The Lisbon-based club, founded in 1904, counts over 160,000 members following a membership drive launched earlier this year, compared to 152,000 members for previous record holders Manchester United.

[tilolas]

I am number 134,944!!!! :dance:

[mc_squared]

Maybe, but Man U have millions more "fans" worldwide (for example, most of China:P)!!
I doubt if people in China have even heard of Benfica!!:rolleyes:

[Jenjie]

and, if wahtshisface hadn't taken over Man U, they'd have more paid up members. you just need to look at the memership list for FC United!!!

[mc_squared]

and, if wahtshisface hadn't taken over Man U, they'd have more paid up members. you just need to look at the memership list for FC United!!!

How many members do they have, then?:rolleyes:

[Jenjie]

How many members do they have, then?:rolleyes:

way more than any other club in that division. they're doing wonders for gate revenues!!!!

[mc_squared]

way more than any other club in that division. they're doing wonders for gate revenues!!!!

I have respect for their stand.;)

[Petit Prince]

Maybe, but Man U have millions more "fans" worldwide (for example, most of China:P)!!

true, there's loads of people who travel to england for just one game...

[mc_squared]

true, there's loads of people who travel to england for just one game...

And I bet that doesn't happen so often with Benfica.;)

[tilolas]

true, there's loads of people who travel to england for just one game...

I know that... I'm not in conditions to discuss that... but what I can say is that those are not real fans, those are fans of the Man U's. marketing!!!

Benfica is said to have 6 million supporters in Portugal, plus 3 million portuguese abroad... plus Angola, Mozambique and other african ex-colonies... even in Brazil...

of course african people can't afford to go watch football to Portugal like asians to England...

[mc_squared]

I know that... I'm not in conditions to discuss that... but what I can say is that those are not real fans, those are fans of the Man U's. marketing!!!

Benfica is said to have 6 million supporters in Portugal, plus 3 million portuguese abroad... plus Angola, Mozambique and other african ex-colonies... even in Brazil...

of course african people can't afford to go watch football to Portugal like asians to England...

Well that goes to show that the vast majority of Benfica fans are Portuguese speakers, whereas Man U have fans who speak countless different languages.;)

[Ondes Martenot]

neither Benfica or Man U are the biggest clubs on the Earth, obviously.

SLB has more "paid supportes" than anyone else, although it doesn't mean too much. Man U are popular more thanks to their "good financial strategy" and flawless marketing than worldwide success (they became popular and "cool club to support" in 90s)

i'd say the most popular and (according to statistics) biggest club ever is Real Madrid. close 2nd might be FC Barcelona

also in top 5 would be Juventus, AC Milan and probably Liverpool or Man Utd, of course if we count only european clubs, because Boca or River for example would be near the top, too

[mc_squared]

neither Benfica or Man U are the biggest clubs on the Earth, obviously.

SLB has more "paid supportes" than anyone else, although it doesn't mean too much. Man U are popular more thanks to their "good financial strategy" and flawless marketing than worldwide success (they became popular and "cool club to support" in 90s)

i'd say the most popular and (according to statistics) biggest club ever is Real Madrid. close 2nd might be FC Barcelona

also in top 5 would be Juventus, AC Milan and probably Liverpool or Man Utd, of course if we count only european clubs, because Boca or River for example would be near the top, too

But not on a "global" basis. Nobody cares about them outside of Argentina (and possibly other Spanish-speaking countries).;)

And Real's biggest "selling-point" worldwide is David Beckham. And why is he so popular? Because he played for MANCHESTER UNITED!!:P

[Petit Prince]

Benfica is said to have 6 million supporters in Portugal, plus 3 million portuguese abroad... plus Angola, Mozambique and other african ex-colonies... even in Brazil...

of course african people can't afford to go watch football to Portugal like asians to England...

true but the same goes for english clubs, they also have fans abroad who cant afford to travel to england.

but there's also many english fans who can't afford to see their team, which doesn't suprise me if tickets are about 33£.

[mc_squared]

true but the same goes for english clubs, they also have fans abroad who cant afford to travel to england.

but there's also many english fans who can't afford to see their team, which doesn't suprise me if tickets are about 33£.

Very true. Those ticket prices are a total rip-off (as are countless other things in the UK)!!:veryangry2:

[Petit Prince]

Very true. Those ticket prices are a total rip-off (as are countless other things in the UK)!!:veryangry2:

i totally agree. and you probably often end up paying more but i'm lucky to have a friend who works at anfield. that helps a lot.

[Ondes Martenot]

But not on a "global" basis. Nobody cares about them outside of Argentina (and possibly other Spanish-speaking countries).;)

Boca and River and many other South American clubs "gave" Europe so so many good football players...
it's just all about money. they can't allow themselves to "feed" their own players for many years, that's why they export them to us

the European football is very overrated by the way. the majority of top clubs in Europe based on non-europeans

And Real's biggest "selling-point" worldwide is David Beckham. And why is he so popular? Because he played for MANCHESTER UNITED!!:P

jesus, i'm not talking about "money". i'm talking about traditons and achievements

as much as i hate Real Madrid, i can't disagree with the fact that they are the biggest club of the last century, you can't either i guess

[mc_squared]

Boca and River and many other South American clubs "gave" Europe so so many good football players...
it's just all about money. they can't allow themselves to "feed" their own players for many years, that's why they export them to us

the European football is very overrated by the way. the majority of top clubs in Europe based on non-europeans



jesus, i'm not talking about "money". i'm talking about traditons and achievements

as much as i hate Real Madrid, i can't disagree with the fact that they are the biggest club of the last century, you can't either i guess

Aha! But this thread is about the number of fans/supporters, and if Man U have more fans in China than any other team (as they almost certainly DO), they MUST be the most-supported club in the world!!;)

[mc_squared]

i totally agree. and you probably often end up paying more but i'm lucky to have a friend who works at anfield. that helps a lot.

What does he do there?:rolleyes:

[Ondes Martenot]

Aha! But this thread is about the number of fans/supporters, and if Man U have more fans in China than any other team (as they almost certainly DO)

Title of the thread: Biggest club in the World (misleading, though)

when you talk about fans, you mean the 7 years old girls who buy David Beckham's no. 7 Man Utd t-shirts or people who actually have clue about football?

undoubtfully, United is a big club (i'm being a fan, too), but there's no way they are the most popular club worldwide.


they MUST be the most-supported club in the world!!;)

i believe Real or Barca have by far more supporters than Man U

[Petit Prince]

What does he do there?:rolleyes:

he works there as a security

[mc_squared]

Title of the thread: Biggest club in the World (misleading, though)

when you talk about fans, you mean the 7 years old girls who buy David Beckham's no. 7 Man Utd t-shirts or people who actually have clue about football?

undoubtfully, United is a big club (i'm being a fan, too), but there's no way they are the most popular club worldwide.




i believe Real or Barca have by far more supporters than Man U

I disagree. Manchester United are widely believed to be the "most popular" and most well-known club in the world, and I'm NOT a fan.;)
Go take a straw poll in China (the most heavily POPULATED country in the world) and then come back to me.;)

[mc_squared]

he works there as a security

So he has to deal with all the Pooligans?:rolleyes:

[Petit Prince]

So he has to deal with all the Pooligans?:rolleyes:

no, with the away club's fans

[Ondes Martenot]

I disagree. Manchester United are widely believed to be the "most popular" and most well-known club in the world, and I'm NOT a fan.;)
Go take a straw poll in China (the most heavily POPULATED country in the world) and then come back to me.;)

o rly?

http://english.people.com.cn/200511/29/eng20051129_224317.html

[mc_squared]

o rly?

http://english.people.com.cn/200511/29/eng20051129_224317.html

That is merely the opinion of Real's marketing director. He's quite obviously biased.;)

[mc_squared]

Wednesday's match will the biggest the Danish champions have played at their home ground, Copenhagen managing director Flemming Ostergaard said.
"With all due respect for the other teams we have met, the game against Manchester United is the biggest," Ostergaard said. "It is the world's most popular club."

[Ondes Martenot]

Man U was the most popular according to "the stupid statistics" back in 2004, 2003 etc., last year Madrid have overtaken the lead once again according to "the stupid statistics" ;)

end of thread

[Ondes Martenot]

Liverpool FC Britain's best supported

Liverpool are now considered to be the best supported British club across the world, with 18m supporters. But every Liverpool fan knew this already. Anyone who watched the lack of passion and support for Chelsea in the League Cup and CL semi against us will have seen you can buy players but you cannot buy passion and pride!

And as for Man Utd there will be even less noise in $old Trafford when the ticket prices go up again to pay for Mr Glazers debts. How many more prawn sandwiches will they have to sell to pay back $500m?

The top nine best supported European clubs

1. Real Madrid
2. Barcelona
3. LIVERPOOL
4. Juventus
5. Milan
6. Manchester United
7. Arsenal
8. Bayern Munich
9. Chelsea

A report published today by German-based Sport+Markt AG has revealed that following the recent Champion League success our worldwide fan base has increased by 10 million.

It goes on to say that we can now boast 18 million supporters across the world, a figure bettered only by Real Madrid (32 million) and Barcelona (23 million) in Europe.

Spokesman Oliver Butler says: The huge increase in the number of Liverpool fans showed how influential success can be in the size of support. The size of the increase would also point to a high level of latent support which had gone underground due to a recent lack of success.

[mc_squared]

Man U was the most popular according to "the stupid statistics" back in 2004, 2003 etc., last year Madrid have overtaken the lead once again according to "the stupid statistics" ;)

end of thread

Who says?:rolleyes:

[Ondes Martenot]

Who says?:rolleyes:

just because Charlton Athletic are unknown everywhere in the World and last in the Premiership this year, you don't have to act like a fool ;)

[mc_squared]

just because Charlton Athletic are unknown everywhere in the World and last in the Premiership this year, you don't have to act like a fool ;)

At least I don't support a team just because they're "big".;)

[Ondes Martenot]

At least I don't support a team just because they're "big".;)

it's only your problem if you think i support a club because that club is big and Charlton are nowhere after Alan's departure ;)

[mc_squared]

it's only your problem if you think i support a club because that club is big and Charlton are nowhere after Alan's departure ;)

If you were a genuine fan, you would support your hometown club or a club connected to you in some way. Unfortunately you're just one of those many "glory hunters".;)

At least Miguel doesn't fall into that category.:smug:

[Ondes Martenot]

If you were a genuine fan, you would support your hometown club or a club connected to you in some way. Unfortunately you're just one of those many "glory hunters".;)

i do support my hometown team (Shinnik Yaroslavl and Spartak Moscow thanls to my dad) i also do support a team from a city where i lived for many years (Ferencvaros) but i also support teams whose football i like (i got my first Man U t-shirt and became fan when i was 7, first Barca kit for my 12th birthday and also became fan after that)

supporting rating:

Ferencvaros > Barca > Man Utd > Shinnik = Spartak

Unfortunately you're just one of those many "glory hunters"

with this sentence you just called millions of Man United fans for example who weren't born in Manchester "glory hunters", congrats!

i believe Sally is Swiss, but lives in Liverpool and supports Pool. she's a glory hunter, too? lol

your next post will be about "Coldplay are English, and everyone else in the World, despite Brits, who likes them is a glory hunter" :laugh3:

lol@you

[Black Rose]

Do we have any Chesterfield fans on the forum?

[mc_squared]

i do support my hometown team (Shinnik Yaroslavl and Spartak Moscow thanls to my dad) i also do support a team from a city where i lived for many years (Ferencvaros) but i also support teams whose football i like (i got my first Man U t-shirt and became fan when i was 7, first Barca kit for my 12th birthday and also became fan after that)

supporting rating:

Ferencvaros > Barca > Man Utd > Shinnik = Spartak



Not good enough. A REAL supporter only supports ONE team. You've just proved you're not ONE of them.;)


with this sentence you just called millions of Man United fans for example who weren't born in Manchester "glory hunters", congrats!

Unfortunately, that's true. The vast majority of Man U supporters are only "fans" because of their size and the fact they win a lot of the time. They don't have any real connection with the club.;)

[quote=Ondes Martenot] i believe Sally is Swiss, but lives in Liverpool and supports Pool. she's a glory hunter, too? lol[quote=Ondes Martenot]

Sally has now lived in Liverpool and has a bf there, so she has cultivated a connection. Therefore she's excused.:P


[quote=Ondes Martenot] your next post will be about "Coldplay are English, and everyone else in the World, despite Brits, who likes them is a glory hunter" [quote=Ondes Martenot]

That has to be just about the most stupid statement you've ever made! And given your past record, that MUST be stupid!!:laugh3:

[mc_squared]

Do we have any Chesterfield fans on the forum?

Well if there are, they've probably well and truly disappeared back into the woodwork now, given the fact they're now out of BOTH cup competitions!!:laugh3:

[Ondes Martenot]

your point is as weak as always

i'd like to see people's opinions on this theme like Mo or some American fans who support European teams.
you really are idiotic, if you think we are not real fans.
your point with Sally is very weak, just because she has a boyfriend and lives in 'pool doesn't make her not "glory hunter" following your logic

A REAL supporter only supports ONE team

asshole, you do realise that Ferencvaros and Barcelona are not in the same category, don't you?

[mc_squared]

your point is as weak as always

Nope - YOURS is!!;)

I'd like to see people's opinions on this theme like Mo or some American fans who support European teams.

They're entitled to their opinions.

you really are idiotic, if you think we are not real fans.
your point with Sally is very weak, just because she has a boyfriend and lives in 'pool doesn't make her not "glory hunter" following your logic

Although Liverpool won the Champions' League a couple of seasons ago, they haven't had that much success in recent years, therefore "glory hunters" wouldn't be interested in them.;)

A REAL supporter only supports ONE team

asshole, you do realise that Ferencvaros and Barcelona are not in the same category, don't you?

They're both FOOTBALL teams, and that's all that matters.;)

[Ondes Martenot]

Although Liverpool won the Champions' League a couple of seasons ago, they haven't had that much success in recent years, therefore "glory hunters" wouldn't be interested in them.

oh jesus, Liverpool is the most succesful English club

you attacked many people with that post, including Sally, and now you are trying to change your idiotic opinion :laugh3:

[mc_squared]

oh jesus, Liverpool is the most succesful English club

Not currently. "Glory hunters" aren't interested in history, only in teams which are top of the pile NOW.;)

you attacked many people with that post, including Sally, and now you are trying to change your idiotic opinion :laugh3:

Nope. You just can't take it because you're "one of them"!!:laugh3:

[Ondes Martenot]

Not currently. "Glory hunters" aren't interested in history, only in teams which are top of the pile NOW.;)



Nope. You just can't take it because you're "one of them"!!:laugh3:

hahaha i started to support united in 97, i was 7. go and figure if you can, if a 7 years old kid can decide what is glory and what is not

in 2002 barca were in deep shit and not where are they now. is it still "glory hunting"?

jeez, grow up. i can't believe you don't support any german teams, just because i support a foreign club it doesn't mean i only support it because of results. ridiculous. if in 10 years i won't support neither Barca or Man U, then you can come back to me, but till then, your point is weak ;)

[Black Rose]

Well if there are, they've probably well and truly disappeared back into the woodwork now, given the fact they're now out of BOTH cup competitions!!:laugh3:

That's a shame, I was going to laugh at them for losing to Basingstoke Town, the team currently bottom of the conference south :laugh3:

[mc_squared]

hahaha i started to support united in 97, i was 7. go and figure if you can, if a 7 years old kid can decide what is glory and what is not

At that age, you would have been very easily influence by what was in front of you. Man U were very much "top of the tree" at that time. If they hadn't been, you would probably have ended up liking ANOTHER team that WAS.;)

in 2002 barca were in deep shit and not where are they now. is it still "glory hunting"?

You have no reason to like Barca other than that they're a "big team". If you had said you liked Alaves or a team like that, I might have been impressed.:rolleyes:

jeez, grow up. i can't believe you don't support any german teams, just because i support a foreign club it doesn't mean i only support it because of results. ridiculous. if in 10 years i won't support neither Barca or Man U, then you can come back to me, but till then, your point is weak ;)

As I've said before, you have no connection with those teams and therefore can never be considered a "real" fan. Hard luck!:rolleyes:

[Petit Prince]

your point is as weak as always

i'd like to see people's opinions on this theme like Mo or some American fans who support European teams.
you really are idiotic, if you think we are not real fans.
your point with Sally is very weak, just because she has a boyfriend and lives in 'pool doesn't make her not "glory hunter" following your logic

A REAL supporter only supports ONE team

asshole, you do realise that Ferencvaros and Barcelona are not in the same category, don't you?

haha good discussion :wacko:

most of those points are waek for other reasons

yeah i am from switzerland and i do support me local team, which is basel. its just that nobody on here discusses swiss football. the same goes for the russian team you support obviously.

but why shouldnt i go to football matches when i'm in england?

and how does me bf matter? he doesnt even support liverpool.

[Ondes Martenot]

but why shouldnt i go to football matches when i'm in england?

and how does me bf matter? he doesnt even support liverpool.

that's what i was saying to him. but mc_squared is just a proud Brit.

you do realise that Mark brought up the bf theme, right?

[mc_squared]

haha good discussion :wacko:

most of those points are waek for other reasons

yeah i am from switzerland and i do support me local team, which is basel. its just that nobody on here discusses swiss football. the same goes for the russian team you support obviously.

but why shouldnt i go to football matches when i'm in england?

and how does me bf matter? he doesnt even support liverpool.

Maybe, but you've still cultivated a link with Liverpool. That's the main thing.
It's very easy to say you support teams such as Man U, Barcelona or Real Madrid, because they're such huge teams who win a lot.
20 years or so ago the same could have been said of Liverpool, but not any more.;)
What drew you to Liverpool FC, anyway?:thinking:

[mc_squared]

that's what i was saying to him. but mc_squared is just a proud Brit.

you do realise that Mark brought up the bf theme, right?

That was just to wind you up. And it worked.:smug:

[Ondes Martenot]

That was just to wind you up. And it worked.:smug:

well, i can find hundreds af arguments which could wind you up

:rolleyes:

[mc_squared]

well, i can find hundreds af arguments which could wind you up

:rolleyes:

Your "arguments" only involve personal attacks and insults, and there's nothing impressive in that.;)

[Ondes Martenot]

Your "arguments" only involve personal attacks and insults, and there's nothing impressive in that.;)

though, when you begged me to change my avatar and signature it obviously worked :laugh3:

and they contained no personal attacks :kiss:

[mc_squared]

though, when you begged me to change my avatar and signature it obviously worked :laugh3:

and they contained no personal attacks :kiss:

Yes they did, because they featured my name and insulted my football team.;)

[Petit Prince]

that's what i was saying to him. but mc_squared is just a proud Brit.

you do realise that Mark brought up the bf theme, right?

yeah i do. he's an evertonian, so thats a pretty invalid point.

@ mark look i wouldnt even call myself a liverpool supporter. so nothing drew me to LFC. i just happened to live in england and i had the opportunity to go to some of their matches, so i did.

dont you go to football matches in germany?

this doesnt stop you from supporting charlton or make you a glory hunter, innit?

[Ondes Martenot]

yeah i do. he's an evertonian, so thats a pretty invalid point.


i kinda don't see what are you trying to say...i brought up the LFC theme as an example

you are a Man Utd fan if i remember correctly and following his logic you are a glory hunter like other foreign United fans. why? because you have no connection with Manchester. pretty stupid thinking if you ask me. that is what i was trying to prove him yesterday ;)

[mc_squared]

yeah i do. he's an evertonian, so thats a pretty invalid point.

look i wouldnt even call myself a liverpool supporter. so nothing drew me to LFC. i just happened to live in england and i had the opportunity to go to some of their matches, so i did.

dont you go to football matches in germany?

this doesnt stop you from supporting charlton or make you a glory hunter, innit?

I thought you were into Liverpool before you went there?:confused:
Anyway, there's a friendly rivalry between Liverpool and Everton fans, so it shouldn't be a problem.:P
I very rarely go to matches in Germany because I have no interest in German football. It doesn't mean anything to me.
There's no beating the Premiership!;)
Anyway, true supporters don't just pick a team at random and say "that's my team". It's like being part of a "family".:D

[mc_squared]

i kinda don't see what are you trying to say...i brought up the LFC theme as an example

you are a Man Utd fan if i remember correctly and following his logic you are a glory hunter like other foreign United fans. why? because you have no connection with Manchester. pretty stupid thinking if you ask me. that is what i was trying to prove him yesterday ;)

You wouldn't understand, because you're not a "real" supporter, just somebody who decides to "follow" a random club (or more).;)

[Ondes Martenot]

You wouldn't understand, because you're not a "real" supporter, just somebody who decides to "follow" a random club (or more).;)

no i do understand. but what should i do now? go to my mom and ask her: why did you give me a Man U kit 9 years ago? or should i go and throw away all my Man U stuff like shorts, t-shirts etc.

i didn't beg for that t-shirt, it was a birthday present. i wasn't even interested in the int. football those days...

now, your point is very weak.

[Petit Prince]

i know nik, i didnt mean you.

friendly rivalry between liverpool and everton fans? not that friendly at all. :thinking:

i wasnt into lfc before i went there but liverpool was one of me preferred places to go. i also applied in manchester and leeds though. everyone tells me how lucky i was that i didnt get the job there. lol

anyway i do follow the premiership but i wouldnt call me a supporter of any english team. i love football and i have a friend who works at anfield and he asked me if i wanted to go to a game. so why should i say 'no'?

[mc_squared]

no i do understand. but what should i do now? go to my mom and ask her: why did you give me a Man U kit 9 years ago? or should i go and throw away all my Man U stuff like shorts, t-shirts etc.

i didn't beg for that t-shirt, it was a birthday present. i wasn't even interested in the int. football those days...

now, your point is very weak.

No - yours is, because you couldn't possibly understand.;)
You didn't start going to matches when you were five, as I did, and build a real "connection" with the club.;)
No doubt for Sally's bf's bond with Everton is similar to the one I have with Charlton.
For you it can never be the same.;)

[Ondes Martenot]

No - yours is, because you couldn't possibly understand.;)
You didn't start going to matches when you were five, as I did, and build a real "connection" with the club.;)
No doubt for Sally's bf's bond with Everton is similar to the one I have with Charlton.
For you it can never be the same.;)

oh jesus. i'd like to see you going to man u matches if you'd live in russia. i don't even had an opportinity to watch their matches, because the russian tv didn't really show anything international in the 90s...but it's another story :rolleyes:

although, i did inform myself through the newspapers, i tried to find posters etc.

yes, thank you and fuck you. i know which club i support and love :smug:

the main problem with you, that you actually hate me that's why you are trying to prove your silly point :kiss: but at the same you know that your point is poor ;)

[mc_squared]

i know nik, i didnt mean you.

friendly rivalry between liverpool and everton fans? not that friendly at all. :thinking:

Well you always hear that Liverpool and Everton fans have a special rivalry because the two stadia are so near to one another. You hear that they will often drink in the same pubs together after matches etc.


i wasnt into lfc before i went there but liverpool was one of me preferred places to go. i also applied in manchester and leeds though. everyone tells me how lucky i was that i didnt get the job there. lol

anyway i do follow the premiership but i wouldnt call me a supporter of any english team. i love football and i have a friend who works at anfield and he asked me if i wanted to go to a game. so why should i say 'no'?

There's no reason to, of course. In a way you have become a Liverpool fan by chance/coincidence, which is fine, as it isn't the same as choosing a club just because they're "huge".;)

[Ondes Martenot]

There's no reason to, of course. In a way you have become a Liverpool fan by chance/coincidence, which is fine, as it isn't the same as choosing a club just because they're "huge".;)

it wasn't my choice. i was influenced as you were, too. my mom got me into Man U as your parents you into Charlton...got that at last? :rolleyes:

[mc_squared]

oh jesus. i'd like to see you going to man u matches if you'd live in russia. i don't even had an opportinity to watch their matches, because the russian tv didn't really show anything international in the 90s...but it's another story :rolleyes:

although, i did inform myself through the newspapers, i tried to find posters etc.

yes, thank you and fuck you. i know which club i support and love :smug:

the main problem with you, that you actually hate me that's why you are trying to prove your silly point :kiss: but at the same you know that your point is poor ;)

Nope. You just keep repeating yourself like a broken record. You're just an "armchair" fan like millions of others, whereas I've followed my team through thick and thin and paid money to watch them all over the place, which is what a real supporter does.;)

[Ondes Martenot]

Nope. You just keep repeating yourself like a broken record. You're just an "armchair" fan like millions of others, whereas I've followed my team through thick and thin and paid money to watch them all over the place, which is what a real supporter does.;)

:laugh3:

considering how many people dislike you here nowadays, i better follow them :kiss:

as i previosuly said if your Charlton weren't last you wouldn't even start such a stupid argument ;)

[mc_squared]

it wasn't my choice. i was influenced as you were, too. my mom got me into Man U as your parents you into Charlton...got that at last? :rolleyes:

But I doubt your parents actually had any connection with Man U. That's the difference.;)

[mc_squared]

:laugh3:

considering how many people dislike you here nowadays, i better follow them :kiss:

True to form, you just get all insulting and personal again. That's all you can ever do.;)
You've just proved my point yet again.;)

[Ondes Martenot]

But I doubt your parents actually had any connection with Man U. That's the difference.;)

why? your dad played in Charlton? or he was a "only" a fan like my parents?:rolleyes:

[Ondes Martenot]

True to form, you just get all insulting and personal again. That's all you can ever do.;)
You've just proved my point yet again.;)

sorry Mark, but i didn't even say anything bad about you in my post

open your eyes finally! your "jokes" are getting old, change the tape. it's really sad that you can't see that all of your smilies jokes, stupid arguments are getting tiresome

[mc_squared]

as i previosuly said if your Charlton weren't last you wouldn't even start such a stupid argument ;)

It's very easy to make a childish comment like that when you support a "glory" team.;)
Real fans have respect for other teams. Obviously you're not one.:smug:

[Ondes Martenot]

It's very easy to make a childish comment like that when you support a "glory" team.;)
Real fans have respect for other teams. Obviously you're not one.:smug:

i do respect Charlton, but i don't respect you, because you don't respect me either ;)

[Petit Prince]

Well you always hear that Liverpool and Everton fans have a special rivalry because the two stadia are so near to one another. You hear that they will often drink in the same pubs together after matches etc.

well thats not quite what i experienced or what people told me.

[mc_squared]

sorry Mark, but i didn't even say anything bad about you in my post

Then you obviously have a problem with reading, too.;)

open your eyes finally! your "jokes" are getting old, change the tape. it's really sad that you can't see that all of your smilies jokes, stupid arguments are getting tiresome

You're just repeating yourself YET again. Same old boring points, as usual.:rolleyes:

[mc_squared]

i do respect Charlton, but i don't respect you, because you don't respect me either ;)

No, I don't, because of your incessantly "insulting" manner.;)

[Ondes Martenot]

Then you obviously have a problem with reading, too.;)



You're just repeating yourself YET again. Same old boring points, as usual.:rolleyes:

:laugh3:

ok i quit, but ask Nick, Julia, Lera, Miguel, Charles, Reilly etc.

they probably have the same opinion about your posts as i do :wink:

i finished

[mc_squared]

well thats not quite what i experienced or what people told me.

Fair enough. Maybe it's changed, which would be a shame if it has.;)

[mc_squared]

why? your dad played in Charlton? or he was a "only" a fan like my parents?:rolleyes:

He's supported them PROPERLY since he was a boy, he's a season ticket-holder, member of the supporters' club and even played for a Charlton supporters' club team years ago. Beat that!;)

[Ondes Martenot]

He's supported them PROPERLY since he was a boy, he's a season ticket-holder, member of the supporters' club and even played for a Charlton supporters' club team years ago. Beat that!;)

and who are you? :rolleyes:

you act like a 6 years old, who trying to prove "my dad is better than yours" "my dad is the superman". grow up, and accept others

[mc_squared]

and who are you? :rolleyes:

you act like a 6 years old, who trying to prove "my dad is better than yours" "my dad is the superman". grow up, and accept others

You just can't accept that you can't win the argument, because you don't have a leg to stand on.;)

[Ondes Martenot]

You just can't accept that you can't win the argument, because you don't have a leg to stand on.;)

what argument? you are provoking me, but no thanks, i'd better reject it ;)

if you wouldn't notice you get the most hatred here, probably there are some things which you could change on.

no-one's perfect, neither me or you. as i'm growing i'm learning things, and "improving", but it seems you can't see that. you think you are perfect and this is your problem

[mc_squared]

what argument? you are provoking me, but no thanks, i'd better reject it

I'm just stating facts, which you obviously can't handle.;)

if you wouldn't notice you get the most hatred here, probably there are some things which you could change on.

no-one's perfect, neither me or you. as i'm growing i'm learning things, and "improving", but it seems you can't see that. you think you are perfect and this is your problem

No I don't. There's no such thing as "perfection" anyway, so there's no point in trying to seek it.;)

[tilolas]

your wasting your time Nik!!!

well, I would be really dumb if I would think Benfica is the biggest club in the world... I chose that titla just for fun and because I'm proud of supporting that club... I would change this guinness record for the portuguese league... not to mention the champions league!!!

a lot of stuff discussed here is pointless... I was born and live 30 km far from Porto and support Benfica which lays 300 km far from my town!!! people ask me why I'm not A FC Porto supporter... I just don't know...

I've only been to Benfica's stadium 3 times (2 on the old and only once in the new one)... I've been 6 times to Porto stadium to watch Benfica...

in Portugal we say football is a religion... and a man is a bad father if his son supports a different club...

[tilolas]

back to topic... only 2 clubs can be considered the biggest... Real Madrid and Milan!!!

Man U... come on... they're popular, yes... but what did they win so far!!?? 2 champions league? so did Benfica and Porto!!!

[Ondes Martenot]

your wasting your time Nik!!!

well, I would be really dumb if I would think Benfica is the biggest club in the world... I chose that titla just for fun and because I'm proud of supporting that club... I would change this guinness record for the portuguese league... not to mention the champions league!!!


yes, i do understand it of course. i was only speaking to the "proud Brit" (you know who...)
and yes, i guess i only wasted my time with him ;)

[mc_squared]

your wasting your time Nik!!!

well, I would be really dumb if I would think Benfica is the biggest club in the world... I chose that titla just for fun and because I'm proud of supporting that club... I would change this guinness record for the portuguese league... not to mention the champions league!!!

a lot of stuff discussed here is pointless... I was born and live 30 km far from Porto and support Benfica which lays 300 km far from my town!!! people ask me why I'm not A FC Porto supporter... I just don't know...

I've only been to Benfica's stadium 3 times (2 on the old and only once in the new one)... I've been 6 times to Porto stadium to watch Benfica...

in Portugal we say football is a religion... and a man is a bad father if his son supports a different club...

Well at least you support a club in your home country and didn't choose a club just because it was the most popular. And at least you've actually been to see them play wherever possible.;)

[mc_squared]

yes, i do understand it of course. i was only speaking to the "proud Brit" (you know who...)
and yes, i guess i only wasted my time with him ;)

That's why you will never understand - because you're NOT from "the home of football"!!:smug:

[mc_squared]

back to topic... only 2 clubs can be considered the biggest... Real Madrid and Milan!!!

Man U... come on... they're popular, yes... but what did they win so far!!?? 2 champions league? so did Benfica and Porto!!!

I have no love for Man U, so I don't really care as it happens.:wink3:

[Lera]

Hey Mark... Why do you think that the real fan can only support one team? :uneasy:

I mean, I can support my city's team and, for example, West Ham. Can't I?... Will it make me a superficial fan or I just didn't get your point?

By the way, my city's team sucks :cry2:

[Ondes Martenot]

Hey Mark... Why do you think that the real fan can only support one team? :uneasy:

I mean, I can support my city's team and, for example, West Ham. Can't I?... Will it make me a superficial fan or I just didn't get your point?

By the way, my city's team sucks :cry2:

i'd suggest you to follow Miguel's advice and not wasting your time with arguments ;)

just ignore him, that's all :wink:

[mc_squared]

Hey Mark... Why do you think that the real fan can only support one team? :uneasy:

I mean, I can support my city's team and, for example, West Ham. Can't I?... Will it make me a superficial fan or I just didn't get your point?

By the way, my city's team sucks :cry2:

Just picking a team at random will never make you a true supporter. It's meaningless.;)

[Lera]

Just picking a team at random will never make you a true supporter. It's meaningless.;)
"At random"?.. How's that? I mean, if you're a fan you like the players and the whole team anyway... You choose the team because you like it, not randomly... I just don't get why should everyone be only a fan of his city's/country's team... Because it has no point at all.

@Nik: Everybody deserves a chance :smug: Besides, I've got nothing to do anyway.

[tilolas]

@Nik: Everybody deserves a chance :smug: Besides, I've got nothing to do anyway.

:laugh4:

[mc_squared]

"At random"?.. How's that? I mean, if you're a fan you like the players and the whole team anyway... You choose the team because you like it, not randomly... I just don't get why should everyone be only a fan of his city's/country's team... Because it has no point at all.



As I said, it's impossible for you to understand, because you're not "part" of it.
A "remote" fan can never have the same relationship with a football club that a true supporter has.;)

[Lera]

As I said, it's impossible for you to understand, because you're not "part" of it.
A "remote" fan can never have the same relationship with a football club that a true supporter has.;)
Owww. Ow sorry, of course, I'm not a real fan... Just because I don't automatically support my city's team and choose which teams to support I'm a superficial fan... Yeah we probably have some special rules here, right? That's a pity noone knows them because every time someone asks you you say he can't understand them anyway...

[mc_squared]

Owww. Ow sorry, of course, I'm not a real fan... Just because I don't automatically support my city's team and choose which teams to support I'm a superficial fan... Yeah we probably have some special rules here, right? That's a pity noone knows them because every time someone asks you you say he can't understand them anyway...

Well, unless you're a real supporter (not just a "fan"), I'm afraid you can't.:smug:

[RICK8]

Maybe, but Man U have millions more "fans" worldwide (for example, most of China:P)!!
I doubt if people in China have even heard of Benfica!!:rolleyes:


Yup I am one of them!

[Lera]

Well, unless you're a real supporter (not just a "fan"), I'm afraid you can't.:smug:
What makes you think I'm not? Maybe I have a tattoo of my fave team on my wrist, maybe I follow my fave team everywhere, maybe I don't sleep at nights when my fave team loses matches? How do you know, huh?

[RICK8]

I don't get what you are going on about here mark..if you support them..watch them on TV..go to their match..then you are a supporter......

[mc_squared]

I don't get what you are going on about here mark..if you support them..watch them on TV..go to their match..then you are a supporter......

Watching on TV doesn't count. You can then be a "fan", but not a "supporter".;)

[mc_squared]

What makes you think I'm not? Maybe I have a tattoo of my fave team on my wrist, maybe I follow my fave team everywhere, maybe I don't sleep at nights when my fave team loses matches? How do you know, huh?

I don't, but I very much doubt it.;)

[Lera]

I think Mark you have a thing on that 'real' shit. A real fan, not a real fan... A real supporter, not a real supporter.. but the point is you don't seem real at all. You seem kinda superficial because of all these statements which noone would ever share. Who the fuck cares if you're a fan or a real fan? It only means for you when it comes to you, right?.. Besides, you don't know people but think you can call them superficial fans....

[mc_squared]

I think Mark you have a thing on that 'real' shit. A real fan, not a real fan... A real supporter, not a real supporter.. but the point is you don't seem real at all. You seem kinda superficial because of all these statements which noone would ever share. Who the fuck cares if you're a fan or a real fan? It only means for you when it comes to you, right?.. Besides, you don't know people but think you can call them superficial fans....

Only real supporters can understand what I'm on about.;)

[Lera]

Only real supporters can understand what I'm on about.;)
Oh get fucked. You offend people without even knowing them. That's the laaamest :kiss:

Nik was probably right, it's just a waist of time. You always repeat the same things.

[mc_squared]

Oh get fucked. You offend people without even knowing them. That's the laaamest :kiss:

Nik was probably right, it's just a waist of time. You always repeat the same things.

No - that's what Nik does.;)

[Black Rose]

Salisbury City v Nottingham Forest

FA Cup 2nd round, and Salisbury are playing at their home and not moving to a larger stadium. So the Nottingham Forest fan club only has 300 tickets allocated to them out of 2,700 tickets. Come on Salisbury :)

[mc_squared]

Salisbury City v Nottingham Forest

FA Cup 2nd round, and Salisbury are playing at their home and not moving to a larger stadium. So the Nottingham Forest fan club only has 300 tickets allocated to them out of 2,700 tickets. Come on Salisbury :)

Well if you ask me, that's "plain" ridiculous!!:P

[Black Rose]

Not really, because it will be a better atmosphere, as the crowd is so close to the pitch in both seating and standing areas.

[mc_squared]

Not really, because it will be a better atmosphere, as the crowd is so close to the pitch in both seating and standing areas.

I was only jesting, of course!!;)