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Kite
01-09-2006, 10:28 PM
Saw this article on the bbc news magazine, and though it would be good to post it:

Discord over guitar sites
By Jonathan Duffy
BBC News Magazine

With the fight against illegal downloading of songs starting to pay off, the music business has set its sights on a new enemy on the internet - websites which transcribe pop songs into musical notation.

The guitar may be enjoying a comeback among schoolboys and dad rockers alike, but beginners hoping to strum along with their favourite bands are finding dissonance online.

Having seen off some of the biggest networks that enabled free downloading of songs over the net, the music business is now calling the tune for websites aimed at guitarists.

Music publishers in the US say the guitar "tab" sites illegally infringe songwriters' copyright, and have issued "take down" orders to some of the biggest.

Tab, or guitar tablature, is a simple form of musical notation for the guitar - far easier to learn than traditional musical notation. Notes are depicted on a staff that represents six strings across a fret board.

Some of the sites targeted have all but closed down, provoking an angry reaction on guitar blogs.

Illegal adaptations

Since the early days of the net, guitarists have shared tabs for their favourite songs, online.

WHAT IS GUITAR TAB?
Form of musical notation that tells players where to place fingers on fret board
Six horizontal lines represent six strings of the guitar
Numbers show where each string is fretted


While tab is officially published in books, to be bought, from which a royalty goes to the songwriter, the selection is limited - most songs are never formally transcribed.

But online, just about any artist, from Boyzone to Big Bill Broonzy, has had their work written into tab - free to view, no registration required.

Most sites, however, claim their tabs are not ripped off from official sources - rather they represent the "interpretation" of a song. Skilled musicians can transcribe a guitar riff, chord sequence or solo after just a few listens.

But that doesn't wash with the music industry, which says even adaptations of songs are covered by copyright law.

Cathal Woods, who runs Olga.net - Online Guitar Archive - has removed all 34,000 tablatures in the site's archive after getting a "take down" letter from lawyers representing two US groups: the National Music Publishers Association (NMPA) and the Music Publishers Association of the United States (MPA).

"Obviously the law is on their side and obviously these are copyright infringements," he says, frankly. But he plans to fight the order along with other sites.

"They're forcing everyone off the net but as far as I know they don't have anything [an iTunes-style equivalent] that would fill the need for guitar tab online.

"My other objection is that for the music publishing companies, it's as if the internet never happened. The internet changes everything and we need to think about what's permissible in the context of the internet."

'Unprofitable' site

Olga, which claimed 1.9 million users a month before going offline, is the mother of all guitar tab sites, dating back to 1992. So why has the crackdown come now?

"Some people say it's because the business is looking for a new target after MP3 sites. But almost all tab sites use very basic, text-only tabs. They are low-level, low information sites whereas with MP3 sharing sites you were getting something that is qualitatively identical to the original song."

Mr Woods says that Olga was not a profit-making site. Its advertising covered its cost, but it kept a community feel.

"[The lawyers] say we're making money out of these sites but I've never been paid for it. It's a hobby. I've got a full-time job," he says.

Speaking last year, the president of the NMPA, David Israelite, said unauthorised use of lyrics and tablature "deprives the songwriter of the ability to make a living, and is no different than stealing. The US MPA says it has the support of sister organisation around the world, including its UK counterpart.

Lawyer and editor of Out-law.com Struan Robertson says under British law, there is little doubt that tab sites are, technically, breaking copyright laws. But he is "disappointed" with how the US music industry is going about it.

"In the UK a few years ago, the British music industry didn't go after MP3 sites because at the time there was no legal source of reasonably priced music on the internet. Then iTunes [Apple's legal music download site] came along and only then did the British industry step in and threaten to sue the illegal sites."

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5305520.stm

And you got some of the comments made by some of the people who have read it, which are worth reading if your bored.

So does anyone use those guitar tab websites?

Do you think this is one step to far in the fight against illegal activity by the fat cats?

putainfromage
01-09-2006, 11:26 PM
that's a bunch of bullshit. music executives are the most retarded people on earth.

Lifelike
01-09-2006, 11:48 PM
^^ They just like to piss us off. 8D

Bijeli_Miš
02-09-2006, 12:05 AM
And I just started to read a book about guitar playing.
I can only think of Mc Frontalot and his song Charity case at this moment.

oh man, I try to dodge fans but they keep swarming.
mc frontalot's heart's huge; let's have a housewarming.
I love you so damn much i'll sell ya CDs.
i'm greedy to get loved back like ally sheedy
in wargames. I got more sayings and turns of phrase
in my communist handbook than in my -- damn, what'd
I do with my ledger? I'll never get paid now!
that distributor promised me checks but didn't say how
he was gonna locate the Front.
it's the anonymity I'm a little bitty bit late to shun.
hate to run; can't be tardy to my rally:
"Art Must Be Free" is the decree. The finale
is my lecture on the evils of the R-I-double-A,
how they gonna sue you every single time you hit play.
they're lame! must revolt! what's that you say?
kids are pirating the frontalot? oh no, I got betrayed!

it's true
frontalot's destitute
I need you
to buy my CD so I could buy food

I been a charity case to my fan base for years:
in tears at my show, "somebody buy me ride home."
now I got something I can barter for services.
yo don't let the major labels get word of this.
I'm girderless, free falling towards riches;
gonna sell so many CDs that I can afford britches
and a shirt, AND a hat to go with it.
I get specific -- 'cause my fantasy is that vivid.
I'm gonna buy gadgets that don't do anything but beep
and blink, then I'll go out in public & buy drinks --
but it's contingent on your ponying up.
wait, you got my record on bittorrent? fuck!
might seem like there's no DRM but I'll explode
your computer like COBRA done to GI Joe
on the episode about computer viruses.
oh look, there's the ledger: overflowing with minuses.
my spinelessness in the face of the starvation
projected by my cashflow erodes the hesitation
I once harbored as regards the tune vending.
if only the nerd kids' aversion to spending
money on data got inverted somehow
I'd be making my way through all my dollars with a plow
but instead I'm down on ground on my knees
begging y'all to believe my CD isn't free.

Sam
02-09-2006, 02:59 AM
From ultimate-guitar.com (http://ultimate-guitar.com):


"The Time Has Come

Hey folks, so many of you have been asking yourself why Ultimate-Guitar.Com is still online, while most guitar tablature websites have been shut down by MPA during the past 6 months, including mxtabs, guitartabs.cc, guitartabs.com, taborama.com and mysongbook? The time has come for Ultimate-Guitar.Com to get an MPA letter as well. Surely, that was not something good, but the request to remove all tabs in 10 days.


I would not post anymore "why is it illegal?" messages, as there are enough articles on this topic, like this one from guitartabs.cc:

"At what point does describing how one plays a song on guitar become an issue of copyright infringment? This website [and tablatures], among other things, helps users teach eachother how they play guitar parts for many different songs. This is the way music teachers have behaved since the first music was ever created. The difference here is that the information is shared by way of a new technology: the Internet..."



The Story

Ultimate-Guitar.Com site, as you know, is a bit different from any other websites. We are based in Russia, thus none of US laws and authorities can force us to make anything. *surprise, surprise* However, we respect the rights of the musicians (not copyright holders, which is a big difference), thus we made some steps to ensure that they [musicians] are getting paid for the tablatures we have here.



Ultimate-Guitar.Com website is absolutely legal tablature archive which activity is based on a Russian Organization on Collective Management of Rights of Authors and Other Rightholders in Multimedia, Digital Networks & Visual Arts (ROMS (http://www.roms.ru/))' license. ROMS is the national Russian organization providing professional collective management of authors’ property rights and protection of interests of rightsholders in cases of use of their works in digital interactive networks, including the Internet.



We pay royalties quarterly thru ROMS.


At the same time, we've tried to get in touch with all big US publishers, and we've got no response. They are NOT interested to do anything about this. The only thing they care -- is to shut down all tabs websites with no alternative to offer. From an economic standpoint, MPA activity will led to no results. Until they can offer a license to such websites or at least decided on a price per tablature, there will be dozens new tablature websites every month. Can they see this? I guess not.




Keep Rockin'!

Anyway, what does it mean? Nothing. We are legal. We are not going to shut down the website. All you need to know is that we will face the threat and will fight back until you're using the website, contribute and support us.
Make sure to spread the word about this to your friends.
Sincerely,
UG Team."

Story Here (http://ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/ultimate-guitarcom_the_last_stand.html)







(http://ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/ultimate-guitarcom_the_last_stand.html)

Bijeli_Miš
02-09-2006, 02:11 PM
Duh, seems they always need someone to sue.

Kite
08-09-2007, 08:11 PM
The story has reared it's ugly head again :(

I personally see no problem in having guitar tabs posted online, as in most cases guitar tab books are unavailable and when they are available are expensive if you don't like in America/England. I can't see how someone downloading a guitar tab hurts the artist, they just want to learn to play the track, something in which the artist should be proud of.

ariadnasquire
08-09-2007, 08:14 PM
The story has reared it's ugly head again :(

I personally see no problem in having guitar tabs posted online, as in most cases guitar tab books are unavailable and when they are available are expensive if you don't like in America/England. I can't see how someone downloading a guitar tab hurts the artist, they just want to learn to play the track, something in which the artist should be proud of.
i agree with you...
i used to get to olga.net and their tabs were good... (it sounded good when i played them on my classic guitar), but is closed now, for legal problems again...
and i think the other sites are not that good.... (many versions for a same song, and almost none of them sounds good to me on my guitar) :confused: