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MrLick
11-08-2006, 11:57 PM
PATRIOT PERSPECTIVE

Why such a categorical rejection? Not because of McGovern's "cut and run" opposition on Vietnam (though his association with traitors such as Kerry and his hippie/yippie groupies did not play well with Middle America), but because he was a "retreat and hide" isolationist.

Despite America's woes in Vietnam, it was clear to most Americans in 1972, Republican and Democrat, that our nation faced a formidable global threat—the Soviet Union—and that the USSR's global objective was to defeat United States militarily, economically and philosophically.

Some three decades hence, a new breed of uber-Leftist isolationists has emerged, cultivated by a vociferous cadre of traitorous Demo-gogues. So strident are these turncoats that not only are they targeting Republicans, who understand that Operation Iraqi Freedom is the front line with today's global menace, Jihadistan, but they are targeting their own, as McGovern did in 1972. To wit, this week's Demo Senate primary in Connecticut, where Senator Joe Lieberman, who supports OIF, was defeated by isolationist Ned Lamont. Lieberman's defeat sent a loud shot over the bow of all Democrats who would dare cross the new breed of McGovernites.

Hillary Clinton, who also has supported U.S. policy in Iraq as a purely political calculation, has recalculated and now insists Iraq was a mistake.

It is no small irony that, just one day after Lieberman's defeat and Clinton's flip-flop, British authorities arrested 24 Jihadis of Pakistani origin, members of a terrorist cell who, in a matter of days, were prepared to execute a plan to bomb ten international flights inbound to the U.S. The attack mirrored a similar plan outlined by 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and his nephew, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, foiled back in 1995. (Al-Qa'ida member Ramzi, you recall, organized the first attack on the World Trade Center back in 1993, and evaded capture until his arrest in Pakistan in 1995.)

The intervention and arrests reflect an extensive international intelligence dragnet operation against Jihadi terrorists, including significant cooperation with Pakistan, where additional conspirators were arrested.

Such threats notwithstanding, the latest strain of isolationists are too intellectually challenged, or disingenuous, to grasp the fact that the U.S. and our Western allies are confronting a global enemy today that, in some significant respects, is more dangerous than the Soviet Union.

The nuclear threat posed by the USSR was symmetric, emanating from a distinct nation-state with unambiguous political, economic and geographical interests. When a symmetric adversary like the USSR possessed large quantities of WMD and a proven delivery capability, the principal method for preventing their use was deterrence. Throughout the Cold War, the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction stayed offensive strikes, and limited conflicts between communist and democratic nations to conventional warfare.

Unfortunately, there is no neat Cold War doctrine like MAD to stave off a nuclear attack from an asymmetric threat like Jihadistan, the objective of which is to kill all infidels and for which martyrdom is a prize.

Al-Qa'ida's protagonist, Osama bin Laden, has called for an "American Hiroshima" in which al-Qa'ida cells detonate multiple nukes in U.S. urban centers. Al-Qa'ida has made it clear that they will use any means at hand to disrupt continuity of government and commerce in the U.S. in an effort to impede our influence in the Middle East. As Osama put it, "Why do you use an ax when you can use a bulldozer?... We love death. The U.S. loves life. That is the big difference between us." Osama's lieutenant Sulaiman Abu Ghaith says al-Qa'ida aspires "to kill four million Americans, including one million children."

The only counter-proliferation doctrine capable of thwarting this enemy's nuclear aspirations is pre-emption—initiating first strikes on their turf to keep them off our own. This global Jihad threat will not subside until the West has succeeded in eliminating this menace in all its manifestations—al-Qa'ida, Hizballah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Jamaat-Islamiyah, Muslim Brotherhood, et al.

Of course, these terrorist organizations will not be subdued unless their state sponsorship is cut off. Hizballah, for example, is little more than an Iranian surrogate, and it is worth noting that Iran's theocratic dictator, Mahmud Ahmadi-Nejad, intimated last week that 22 August is the beginning of the end—doomsday for Israel.

Middle Eastern scholar Bernard Lewis, professor emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton, notes that this date is associated with Muhammad's flight to "the farthest mosque" —Jerusalem—before ascending into heaven. The Koran describes this flight as "lighting up the skies of Jerusalem."

"This might well be deemed an appropriate date for the apocalyptic ending of Israel and if necessary the world," writes Lewis, who adds that Ahmadi-Nejad subscribes to an "apocalyptic worldview" based on the Shiite tradition of a 12th "Hidden" Imam Mahdi, kept alive by Allah since last seen in 874 A.D. Shiites expect Imam Mahdi to reappear in a time of global conflagration. "Ahmadi-Nejad," says Lewis, "sees himself as Allah's instrument to pave the way for Imam Mahdi, and they clearly believe that this time is now."

As for Operation Iraqi Freedom, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld noted in congressional testimony this week, "The enemy has called Iraq the central front in the war on terrorism."

Rumsfeld continued: "If we left Iraq prematurely—as the terrorists demand—the enemy would tell us to leave Afghanistan and then withdraw from the Middle East. And if we left the Middle East, they'd order us—and all those who don't share their militant ideology—to leave what they call occupied Muslim lands, from Spain to the Philippines, and then we would face not only the evil ideology of these violent extremists, but an enemy that will have grown accustomed to succeeding in telling free people everywhere what to do. We can persevere in Iraq or we can withdraw prematurely, until they force us to make a stand nearer home. But make no mistake: They are not going to give up, whether we acquiesce in their immediate demands or not."

In 1940, British PM Neville Chamberlain attempted to opt out of WWII by ignoring the Third Reich. The day after Germany invaded the France, Belgium and the Netherlands, Chamberlain resigned and was replaced by Winston Churchill, who confronted Hitler head on, and preserved Great Britain's charter.

The new incarnation of McGovernites want to opt out of the global war with Islamofascists by ignoring the catastrophic threat posed by Jihadistan. They do so at great peril to our Constitution.
Quote of the week

"The recent arrests that our fellow citizens are now learning about are a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation." —President George Bush

(The Council on American-Islamic Relations issued an immediate objection to the President's reference to "Islamic fascists". Nihad Awad, executive director of CAIR protested, "We have to isolate these individuals because there is nothing in the Koran or the Islamic faith that encourages people to be cruel or to be vicious or to be criminal. Muslims world wide know that for sure." We are left to ponder, then, why every Islamic leader in the U.S., and the world, does not publicly condemn this and every terror action being undertaken in the name of the god of Islam.)
On cross-examination

"It is disturbing, an unfortunate and significant development, that Democrats would purge a man like Joe Lieberman. It would seem to say a lot about the state of the [Democrat] party [that they believe] that somehow we can retreat behind our oceans." —Vice President Dick Cheney on the reemergence of Leftists, who are beating a retreat from the deadly conflict with Islamofascists around the world
Open query

"We are fighting a global war against international terrorists because the terrorists are engaged in a global jihad against infidels. The scariest thing about it is that a good many people in this country believe we actually have the luxury of opting out. Why else would the Left be so quick to declare moral equivalence between the actions of the Hizballah terrorist aggressors and those of Israeli defenders? Why else would 'more than a third of the American public suspect that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East' (according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll)?" —David Limbaugh
The BIG lie

"The Iraq war has diverted our focus and more than $300 billion in resources from the war on terrorism and has created a rallying cry for international terrorists. This latest plot demonstrates the need for the Bush administration and the Congress to change course in Iraq and ensure that we are taking all the steps necessary to protect Americans at home and across the world." —Harry Reid

MrLick
11-08-2006, 11:59 PM
"In 1940, British PM Neville Chamberlain attempted to opt out of WWII by ignoring the Third Reich. The day after Germany invaded the France, Belgium and the Netherlands, Chamberlain resigned and was replaced by Winston Churchill, who confronted Hitler head on, and preserved Great Britain's charter."

a lesson we should have all learned from ww2, sadly most did not and it will repeat itself.

psychosaiqa
12-08-2006, 12:10 AM
"The new incarnation of McGovernites want to opt out of the global war with Islamofascists by ignoring the catastrophic threat posed by Jihadistan. They do so at great peril to our Constitution."

hot damn, they've created their own GD language.

MrLick
12-08-2006, 12:13 AM
No they havent...lol. they just use alot of big words.

psychosaiqa
12-08-2006, 12:19 AM
mcgovernites
islamofacists
jihadistan

lol these made me laugh my ass off. they're probably never ever going to be used in context again unless they're talking about terrorists and what not.

MrLick
12-08-2006, 12:23 AM
mcgovernites
islamofacists
jihadistan

lol these made me laugh my ass off. they're probably never ever going to be used in context again unless they're talking about terrorists and what not.

like i said big words...nothing wrong with being articulate. very smart people right that article.

both sides do it though, neocons and other made up words to support what they think.

berrywoman
12-08-2006, 02:16 AM
so when did making up words mean 'articulate'??? :lol:

Maldini
12-08-2006, 06:29 AM
This article make me sick

At first,this article intend to mix the facts together
Second,the article intend to make new expressions to effect on who read it like [ Jihad,Jamaat-Islamyiah ] [ this words written as they spelling in Arabic longuge] and who written it know that there are English translation for it,not just it [ who written this words use this words but in English ]

Jihad [ in Arabic ] = Holy War [ in English ] and this word MR.Bush use it when he talk about the war on terorr
Jamaat-Islamyiah [ in Arabic ] = Islamic Groups [ in English ]

This article try to make a nasty compare between the the USSR or the Nazi and who resist and defend his land

This article make who read it like there is no threat who make a big threaten on the Western except the Islam,and everyone no it's a big lie and who didn't know read [ The Turner Diaries ] and remember Timothy Mcvigh

This article depend on the fear of USA people and always make them feel the fear [ of course to do what they want to do ] and always tell that the terrorists have a nuks [ foolish ]

This article talked about the fear of Western from the Islamic threaten and didn't talk about Israel and here threat on the peace of the world and trying by all ways to defend Israel without who read this lines feel


This article didn't talk about the Israeli attempet to control the world [ I think they made it] and who didn't belive that,go and read [ The Protocols of the Elders of Zion ]

If the Iraqi war coasted $300 Billion,I'm sure that the Iraqi petrol gained more than this

MrLick
12-08-2006, 07:20 AM
so when did making up words mean 'articulate'??? :lol:

never did, and i never said that. they are very articulate using non made up words. you really cant spin well, you need to work on that.

MrLick
12-08-2006, 07:21 AM
This article make me sick

At first,this article intend to mix the facts together
Second,the article intend to make new expressions to effect on who read it like [ Jihad,Jamaat-Islamyiah ] [ this words written as they spelling in Arabic longuge] and who written it know that there are English translation for it,not just it [ who written this words use this words but in English ]

Jihad [ in Arabic ] = Holy War [ in English ] and this word MR.Bush use it when he talk about the war on terorr
Jamaat-Islamyiah [ in Arabic ] = Islamic Groups [ in English ]

This article try to make a nasty compare between the the USSR or the Nazi and who resist and defend his land

This article make who read it like there is no threat who make a big threaten on the Western except the Islam,and everyone no it's a big lie and who didn't know read [ The Turner Diaries ] and remember Timothy Mcvigh

This article depend on the fear of USA people and always make them feel the fear [ of course to do what they want to do ] and always tell that the terrorists have a nuks [ foolish ]

This article talked about the fear of Western from the Islamic threaten and didn't talk about Israel and here threat on the peace of the world and trying by all ways to defend Israel without who read this lines feel


This article didn't talk about the Israeli attempet to control the world [ I think they made it] and who didn't belive that,go and read [ The Protocols of the Elders of Zion ]

If the Iraqi war coasted $300 Billion,I'm sure that the Iraqi petrol gained more than this


yeah sorry, the jews arent out to rule the world. thats a fairy tale told to you by your religous extremist to make you hate them. you've been taught your whole life jews are evil. you have been brainwashed.

brandon313
12-08-2006, 08:51 AM
i do believe she said Israeli, and not Jewish, attemp to rule the world.... There are plenty of Jewish people all over the world who have no quarrel with anybody! Same with Muslim people, she was simply pointing out her view on ISRAEL, not the entire Jewish faith.

or not, maybe im wrong

MrLick
12-08-2006, 08:54 AM
i do believe she said Israeli, and not Jewish, attemp to rule the world.... There are plenty of Jewish people all over the world who have no quarrel with anybody! Same with Muslim people, she was simply pointing out her view on ISRAEL, not the entire Jewish faith.

or not, maybe im wrong

either way, israel isnt out to rule the world. but im not dumb, maladi has been taught israel is a jewish nation and jews are evil.

brandon313
12-08-2006, 08:57 AM
im not sure thats everything, maybe shes just been taught that Israel is an enemy of their nation, and that they are to be hated. They both hate each other though, its not just one sided

brandon313
12-08-2006, 09:01 AM
But really, neither of us can speak for her, she feels how she feels and thats just how it is...

MrLick
12-08-2006, 09:26 AM
But really, neither of us can speak for her, she feels how she feels and thats just how it is...

we can when i've seen 500 post on hers. when she thinks its ok for her nation to invade and conquer but not for a jewish nation to do it.

MrLick
12-08-2006, 09:27 AM
im not sure thats everything, maybe shes just been taught that Israel is an enemy of their nation, and that they are to be hated. They both hate each other though, its not just one sided


no, but one side has a good reason to. while the other does not.

brandon313
12-08-2006, 09:30 AM
its not for us to decide whether it is a good reason or not. people all over the world (non muslims) just for various reasons, who is to judge whether it is a good reason or not.

Maldini
12-08-2006, 09:30 AM
Oh mrcool

You old member here and I think you know I'm a Male not Female;)

brandon313
12-08-2006, 09:32 AM
haha i see that pic and i think u are a girl!! my bad, i thought that too

MrLick
12-08-2006, 09:34 AM
Oh mrcool

You old member here and I think you know I'm a Male not Female;)

i heard him call you a girl so i thought so. sorry

Maldini
12-08-2006, 09:35 AM
Never mind

MrLick
12-08-2006, 09:35 AM
its not for us to decide whether it is a good reason or not. people all over the world (non muslims) just for various reasons, who is to judge whether it is a good reason or not.

my point is its a anti semetic issue,

its ok for arabs to do it but not for jews. what if i were to tell you its ok for whites to live but not for blacks? you'd think i was a racist

brandon313
12-08-2006, 09:49 AM
damn right i would!! haha ;)

MrLick
12-08-2006, 09:49 AM
lol thats good to hear....

brandon313
12-08-2006, 09:50 AM
quick question, whos that guy for your avatar??

MrLick
12-08-2006, 09:53 AM
adam brody he plays seth cohen on the OC

berrywoman
12-08-2006, 02:58 PM
never did, and i never said that. they are very articulate using non made up words. you really cant spin well, you need to work on that.

I think you need to learn how to 'listen' and not just hear things... lol :P


--anyhoo, let it be known who dug on who first...

back to topic..

the article honestly.. I couldn't get past the first 4 paragraphs... its just so much bullshit to read in the morning... this is probably one of the best examples of propaganda you've shown us yet, Nick/Ryan.. lol :thumbsup: good work!

Black Rose
12-08-2006, 03:25 PM
I have an idea, why not keep this area for real news and sports not some far-left person who believes even life is a scam's opinions on stuff?

manc_ill_kid
12-08-2006, 06:05 PM
"In 1940, British PM Neville Chamberlain attempted to opt out of WWII by ignoring the Third Reich. The day after Germany invaded the France, Belgium and the Netherlands, Chamberlain resigned and was replaced by Winston Churchill, who confronted Hitler head on, and preserved Great Britain's charter."

a lesson we should have all learned from ww2, sadly most did not and it will repeat itself.
I'm a little unclear as to what the lesson here actually was. Is it that George Bush and Tony Blair should have resigned long ago?

Maldini
12-08-2006, 06:05 PM
my point is its a anti semetic issue,

its ok for arabs to do it but not for jews. what if i were to tell you its ok for whites to live but not for blacks? you'd think i was a racist

I wonder where and when I heared this word [ Anti-Semetic ]


Oh yes,I heared it when somebody told the truth about Israel and the Zionism

He/She jailed of course

Maldini
12-08-2006, 06:07 PM
no, but one side has a good reason to. while the other does not.

The side who has a good reason is us,right

Maldini
12-08-2006, 06:09 PM
yeah sorry, the jews arent out to rule the world. thats a fairy tale told to you by your religous extremist to make you hate them. you've been taught your whole life jews are evil. you have been brainwashed.


No it's not a fairy tale,it's the truth

I think the media leaders brainwashed you

Maldini
12-08-2006, 06:11 PM
either way, israel isnt out to rule the world. but im not dumb, maladi has been taught israel is a jewish nation and jews are evil.

Are you think it's wrong?

MrLick
12-08-2006, 10:05 PM
No it's not a fairy tale,it's the truth

I think the media leaders brainwashed you

do you have any grasp on reality? not every jew is out to take over the world. you judge a whole group of people, that is wrong

*Ali*
12-08-2006, 10:57 PM
"In 1940, British PM Neville Chamberlain attempted to opt out of WWII by ignoring the Third Reich. The day after Germany invaded the France, Belgium and the Netherlands, Chamberlain resigned and was replaced by Winston Churchill, who confronted Hitler head on, and preserved Great Britain's charter."

a lesson we should have all learned from ww2, sadly most did not and it will repeat itself.


chamberlain's decision was a little more complicated than that! after WW1 no one wanted a repeat of it, and so he tried appeasement to avoid war on a huge scale. and he didn't ignore the third reich cos he communicated with hitler, the munich conference in 1938 being an example of that. he did call for action against hitler in sept 1939 though when germany invaded poland. what he did was try his best to protect britain and its people from death and destruction. looking back it doesn't look like it was a good idea, but appeasement bought us a year to increase armaments on a massive scale which enabled us to be proportionately better off than 1 year earlier and have the means to take decisive action against germany.

is the lesson to tackle things head on from the start? i'm a bit confused about that

*Ali*
12-08-2006, 10:59 PM
Are you think it's wrong?


yes it's wrong. no one can help which country or religion they are born into. saying that a race is evil is definately wrong, there will be good and bad people within it.

MrLick
13-08-2006, 12:15 AM
chamberlain's decision was a little more complicated than that! after WW1 no one wanted a repeat of it, and so he tried appeasement to avoid war on a huge scale. and he didn't ignore the third reich cos he communicated with hitler, the munich conference in 1938 being an example of that. he did call for action against hitler in sept 1939 though when germany invaded poland. what he did was try his best to protect britain and its people from death and destruction. looking back it doesn't look like it was a good idea, but appeasement bought us a year to increase armaments on a massive scale which enabled us to be proportionately better off than 1 year earlier and have the means to take decisive action against germany.

is the lesson to tackle things head on from the start? i'm a bit confused about that

I know all about this.

hitler was becoming a military power bent on war and all the european nations looked the other way, their were so many signs yet they chose to ignore them. the only thing cleare hitler could have done to show he was a threat was to tell those nations he was going to attack, which he did by his actions they just chose to ignore it.

yeah its not to ignore danger, when a threat comes up not to appease it and look the other way because that NEVER solves anything but makes it worse. like what people are doing with terrorism, looking the other way thinking it will just go away. we cant do what europe did pre ww2, we should have learned a lesson from that mistake

*Ali*
13-08-2006, 01:40 PM
what do you think should be done now?

Maldini
14-08-2006, 05:38 AM
do you have any grasp on reality? not every jew is out to take over the world. you judge a whole group of people, that is wrong


Of course I know it,I know that's not Jews is evil.I just talking about the Zionist

Maldini
14-08-2006, 05:40 AM
yes it's wrong. no one can help which country or religion they are born into. saying that a race is evil is definately wrong, there will be good and bad people within it.

Of course

MrLick
16-08-2006, 08:33 PM
Of course I know it,I know that's not Jews is evil.I just talking about the Zionist

but you keep saying jews control everything and make it sound like you are agaisnt all jews and that all are zionist.

Maldini
16-08-2006, 10:44 PM
but you keep saying jews control everything and make it sound like you are agaisnt all jews and that all are zionist.


Yes I said that the Jews control everything but I mean the Jews whom support the Zionism.Not only Jews who saupport the Zionism there are Christians too,maybe some Muslims involved on it too

General Smut
17-08-2006, 12:40 AM
You live in Egypt which used to treat Israel as a mortal enemy and thus tried to destroy -unsucessfully. Thus You've been brought up to to hate Israel -lots of people in the region do and we all know you have valid reasons.

You sound like alot of British people i know -Us Brits are supposed to hate the French and germans. However i like Germans and think the French are rather Fantasitic people!
You know why i think this? Because i grew up and realised that people are...people doesnt matter who or where you from. We are all the same.

Both Israelis and Arabsin the region need to change their attiudes to each other or many more people will get killed and for what?