Israel / Lebanon / Iran / Syria - Middle East conflict!

[manc_ill_kid]

Ooh, I think my ex-girlfriend went there on holiday.

Anyway, back on topic, according to the Israeli Bureau of Statistics, about 10,000 Israelis die from cancer every year, for Americans thats the same loss of life as three 9/11 attacks, or taking into account the relative sizes of the countries, its equivalent to about one hundred and fifty 9/11 attacks.

Thats cancer that is. A far bigger worry than Hezbollah rockets.

[MrLick]

Do you know the Egyptian Pyramids? I live 5 KM from it:wink3:


i use the exact same reasoning as you and that me no nations owns its land....so your land is not "your" land then....how are you any different then the jews then? you are not

[manc_ill_kid]

....how are you any different then the jews then? you are not
Which Jews? American Jews? Israeli Jews? French, German, Russian?

[GazeboflossUK]

Fox Military Analyst on Syria: ‘We Can Talk To Them When We Line Them Up and Kill Them’

With the Bush administration refusing to hold direct talks with Syria, Col. David Hunt, military analyst for Fox News, appeared on Hannity & Colmes last night to offer some advice to the president: “I think we can talk to them when we line them up and kill them.” Stating that “the only reason to talk to some of these guys is to just do that,” Hunt went on to argue that America should “absolutely, 100 percent” seek regime change in both Syria and Iran if they’re “not going to cooperate.”

Watch it (http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/syria-fox/)

Strangely, after his tirade, Hunt acknowledged that in some cases, “we have to directly talk to these guys to find out what they want.”

– Scott Keyes


Someone made a good comment on this:

…and what is this “…as we talked offline…” comment. He and Hannity were really warming up the rhetoric before the cameras were rolling? A little mutual hatemongering and wishful thinking re:death & destruction to really get the blood pumping?


Full transcript:

HANNITY: How naive is this notion — the New York Times editorial today — that the idea that we can talk to Syria, talk to these terrorist regimes. Can you talk to Ahmadinejad? Can you talk to an Assad? Can you talk to Usama bin Laden? Can you get anywhere? Is that an…

HUNT: I think we can talk to them when we line them up and kill them. I don’t think — the only reason to talk to some of these guys is to just do that. However, we’re not going to wipe out, as we talked offline, the entire country, but we have to directly talk to these guys to find out what they want. If they’re not going to cooperate, yes, they have to go.

HANNITY: Regime change.

HUNT: Absolutely, 100 percent.

[MrLick]

Which Jews? American Jews? Israeli Jews? French, German, Russian?


any jew. but mainly the ones in israel

[MrLick]

Fox Military Analyst on Syria: ‘We Can Talk To Them When We Line Them Up and Kill Them’

With the Bush administration refusing to hold direct talks with Syria, Col. David Hunt, military analyst for Fox News, appeared on Hannity & Colmes last night to offer some advice to the president: “I think we can talk to them when we line them up and kill them.” Stating that “the only reason to talk to some of these guys is to just do that,” Hunt went on to argue that America should “absolutely, 100 percent” seek regime change in both Syria and Iran if they’re “not going to cooperate.”

Watch it (http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/syria-fox/)

Strangely, after his tirade, Hunt acknowledged that in some cases, “we have to directly talk to these guys to find out what they want.”

– Scott Keyes


Someone made a good comment on this:

…and what is this “…as we talked offline…” comment. He and Hannity were really warming up the rhetoric before the cameras were rolling? A little mutual hatemongering and wishful thinking re:death & destruction to really get the blood pumping?


Full transcript:

HANNITY: How naive is this notion — the New York Times editorial today — that the idea that we can talk to Syria, talk to these terrorist regimes. Can you talk to Ahmadinejad? Can you talk to an Assad? Can you talk to Usama bin Laden? Can you get anywhere? Is that an…

HUNT: I think we can talk to them when we line them up and kill them. I don’t think — the only reason to talk to some of these guys is to just do that. However, we’re not going to wipe out, as we talked offline, the entire country, but we have to directly talk to these guys to find out what they want. If they’re not going to cooperate, yes, they have to go.

HANNITY: Regime change.

HUNT: Absolutely, 100 percent.


i love hannity, smart man....nice try going after fox for what some dude said on an interview....

[berrywoman]

I thought you hated FOX news??? :confused:

[MrLick]

Nope.

[GazeboflossUK]

No, In ALL 100% seriousness.....Fox News is the worst 'News' channel you could watch. It really is and I hope people are aware of that. And this isn't a dig at you for watching it Nick.......but it truely is a sorry excuse of a 'News' outlet.

Lets leave that there....

Back to the article I posted....

That guy is a Fox Military Analyst.

There. All civil like.

[MrLick]

No, In ALL 100% seriousness.....Fox News is the worst 'News' channel you could watch. It really is and I hope people are aware of that. And this isn't a dig at you for watching it Nick.......but it truely is a sorry excuse of a 'News' outlet.

Lets leave that there....

Back to the article I posted....

That guy is a Fox Military Analyst.

There. All civil like.


Fox news isnt bad at all, aljazeera is 120x worse along with cnn and cbs news...if you can that news.

but it was one dudes opinion....they have people on there with a wide range of opinions, some very crazy some not...most news stations have that, msnbc, fox, cnn..its common

[GazeboflossUK]

Well, my personal opinion is that they all are pretty bad at talking about the news......but Fox is the ring leader. I could go on forever with their shady reporting but I won't.
I watch it sometimes and I just end up getting angry and shouting at my screen.

I actually wish it was off air.

Anyway. Thats just how I call it.

[MrLick]

Well, my personal opinion is that they all are pretty bad at talking about the news......but Fox is the ring leader. I could go on forever with their shady reporting but I won't.
I watch it sometimes and I just end up getting angry and shouting at my screen.

I actually wish it was off air.

Anyway. Thats just how I call it.

Thats what pisses me off, its anti bush people who think its the worst media. when there are literally thousands of newsgroups that are far worse, we have people out their doctoring photo's and selling it as the truth and fox is the worst? i mean c'mon have you seen any arab media? you cant even call groups like al jazeera news group..

fox is messed up but every news group is, but it is far from the worst.

[GazeboflossUK]

I don't like the way it has so much of the American people eating the news out of it's dirty hands.....I am anti-bush and I'm damn proud of it......but that's not the reason I hate Fox News with a passion.
Sure, I hate the way other news groups spread their poison...but in America I think Fox News leads the sickening spin and lies by a mile.

I used to watch it all the time and because we can't see the US adverts over here it used to play the weather forcast loop....I knew the music in the weather thing inside-out I watched it so much.....I then worked out that the "no spin zone" was far, far, far from the truth.

Hey, it's what I have come to witness.....

But that's just me.

[huntjd]

Maldini, is Giza the same as Gaza?

questions like that show how little you know about the whoile situation.
and in regards to your whole 'people are dying of illness' thing... what a non-related argument. heart disease and cancer happen everywhere. if you find a cure for it everey country would take it. they cant worry about cancer so much because they have nothing to fight it with...
base arguments on what is actually happening please.

[manc_ill_kid]

if you find a cure for it everey country would take it. they cant worry about cancer so much because they have nothing to fight it with...
base arguments on what is actually happening please.
Okay, Lebanon and Palestine both have GDPs that are fractions of that of Israel, if a cure for cancer was found, its pretty unlikely they could afford it.

The oil spill caused by Israel bombs is going to be a big carcinogenic thing causing cancer for hundreds probably thousands of Lebanese, it was directly caused by Israel.

There are ways to fight cancer and there are means to research new ways to tackle cancer.

I dunno how many Israelis are killed by Hezbollah bombs every year, I can't find the statistics for it, but I'm going to guess its about 50. So they're going to war over a threat that's a tiny fraction of the deaths caused by cancer.

The current conflict has shown that Israel can try their damnedest, but they can't defeat Hezbollah, they can't make Lebanon love them using bombs.

[huntjd]

the oil spill? what are you talking about!?

[MrLick]

Okay, Lebanon and Palestine both have GDPs that are fractions of that of Israel, if a cure for cancer was found, its pretty unlikely they could afford it.

The oil spill caused by Israel bombs is going to be a big carcinogenic thing causing cancer for hundreds probably thousands of Lebanese, it was directly caused by Israel.

There are ways to fight cancer and there are means to research new ways to tackle cancer.

I dunno how many Israelis are killed by Hezbollah bombs every year, I can't find the statistics for it, but I'm going to guess its about 50. So they're going to war over a threat that's a tiny fraction of the deaths caused by cancer.

The current conflict has shown that Israel can try their damnedest, but they can't defeat Hezbollah, they can't make Lebanon love them using bombs.

they cant defeat them, BUT they can make them less of a threat and take away their supplies....no one ever defeated nazism, but its not powerful anymore.

[General Smut]

Yes but the Nazi's had a proper army who didnt always fight and hide in civillan areas.

If Hesbollah fought like a proper army they'd be wiped out and so they choose instead to fight in civillan areas hence the high number of civillian deaths in Lebabon.

But apprently thats ok because they didnt start this and their suicide bombers only kill about 50 Israelis a year, they dislike the western world and hence people say they're the good guys

i find it rather sick that people are on their side. esp in the western world

[MrLick]

Yes but the Nazi's had a proper army who didnt always fight and hide in civillan areas.

If Hesbollah fought like a proper army they'd be wiped out and so they choose instead to fight in civillan areas hence the high number of civillian deaths in Lebabon.

But apprently thats ok because they didnt start this and their suicide bombers only kill about 50 Israelis a year, they dislike the western world and hence people say they're the good guys

i find it rather sick that people are on their side. esp in the western world

I too find it sick but not surprising. if you look at all the things europe did to the jews...for thousands of years, its not at all surprising.

[huntjd]

yeah. anti semitism was accepted for hundreds of years in europe.. look at the pogroms and the spanish inquisition where jews were burnt at the stake for not being christian.
hizbollah fight in that way and israel have to respond.

[MrLick]

yeah. anti semitism was accepted for hundreds of years in europe.. look at the pogroms and the spanish inquisition where jews were burnt at the stake for not being christian.
hizbollah fight in that way and israel have to respond.

exactly

and something that extremely deep within their culture doesnt just go away within 60 years, it still there not as strong but influencing culture. much like slaver and racism towards blacks is today in america.

before camille tries to change this into something its not

im not saying europe is full of anti semetic people or that anyone who doesnt agree with israel is a anti semetic. BUT something that deep within a culture affects peoples views on this. exampe being in america there are people who are not racist but dont have a good view of black people because of racism being deep within american culture. so decision and opinions are not just affected by what we see, but deeper issues within cultures.

[manc_ill_kid]

yeah. anti semitism was accepted for hundreds of years in europe.. look at the pogroms and the spanish inquisition where jews were burnt at the stake for not being christian.
hizbollah fight in that way and israel have to respond.
I hardly think enflaming the situation is a good way to respond though

I don't recall the civil rights movement in America invading any states or killing that many people. Just lots of protests.

[manc_ill_kid]

the oil spill? what are you talking about!?
This one http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5255966.stm

[manc_ill_kid]

But apprently thats ok because they didnt start this and their suicide bombers only kill about 50 Israelis a year
Thats my point, its not that many people compared to other causes of death in Israel. Just accept it.

[huntjd]

you are so shallow in respect to this conflict. if you were living in your house and the english (i'm using this example because you are scottish, lol) began launching attacks on you because you were catholic say, and just because you were there, but you have no other place to go... what would you do? let them slowly and systematically destroy you?
that is the situation in israel. the jewish people fought so hard to establish a country of their own (israel is the only country in the world with judaism as its official religion) and have no other place to go except assimilate if you lose the country...

[manc_ill_kid]

you are so shallow in respect to this conflict. if you were living in your house and the english (i'm using this example because you are scottish, lol) began launching attacks on you because you were catholic say, and just because you were there, but you have no other place to go... what would you do? let them slowly and systematically destroy you?
that is the situation in israel. the jewish people fought so hard to establish a country of their own (israel is the only country in the world with judaism as its official religion) and have no other place to go except assimilate if you lose the country...
Alas, I'm from Manchester in England, born there and everything, my dad's Scottish though. Manchester was bombed by the IRA, a nominally Catholic organisation, back in 1996, I was there, and I saw the city centre turned into a ruin.

We rebuilt and now Manchester is great.

All religions have foaming at the mouth psychopaths, you just gotta ignore them.

And well, its not the situation in Israel. Cos Mancunians are from Manchester, many of them have lived there for generations and aren't in the mood for leaving, and we aren't in the mood for fighting either.

[manc_ill_kid]

(israel is the only country in the world with judaism as its official religion)
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_established_religions There are no countries in which Hindu is its official religion and they have 50 times more followers http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
and there are literally loads of countries that have no state religions, including the USA, Canada and France

[huntjd]

they have no state religions, but the president says god bless america

[GazeboflossUK]

^ he does indeed. He's not a Christian anyway....it's all fake. A Vote winner. What a fraud.

[huntjd]

hahaha.
gareth, what do you reckon of the london thing. i have a slight inkering that it may have no substinence, and is just a poster in a campaign.
*thats because of you*
i dont neccesarily believe that is the case, put i dunno i just can see the other side of the news a bit better. i may not neccesarily be right...

[General Smut]

Well over 80% of people in India are Hindus - the vast majority i guess since they are the big guys in the region that they're not too bothered about it being offical.

When Israel was formed - there was a minorty of Jews there - the rest moved there. And there was that small matter of the world feeling guilty about the holocaust.

I read somewhere that Stalin actually wanted the Jewish state to be formed in the USSR. Does anyone know where i can read more?

[GazeboflossUK]

hahaha.
gareth, what do you reckon of the london thing. i have a slight inkering that it may have no substinence, and is just a poster in a campaign.
*thats because of you*
i dont neccesarily believe that is the case, put i dunno i just can see the other side of the news a bit better. i may not neccesarily be right...

I indeed think it's a massive fear operation which will be blamed on Iran or a similar enemy. I've wrote what I think about it this other threads.
And it's bad, very bad.

[MrLick]

^ he does indeed. He's not a Christian anyway....it's all fake. A Vote winner. What a fraud.


shut up

[GazeboflossUK]

Well, it's true man.

Deal.

[MrLick]

No its not. its another huge conspiracy theory you have. thats why people dont take guys like you serious, becuase you think everything is one.

[GazeboflossUK]

Don't care what you think.

[General Smut]

Well none of us know George Bush personally so how can we know?

This is what Wiki says:

Religious beliefs and practices
After meeting evangelist Billy Graham in 1985, Bush became much more involved in Christian belief and practice. [10] During this period, he left the Bush family's Episcopalian faith to join his wife's United Methodist Church, a denomination that in part represents a more socially conservative worldview (see United Methodist Church "Diversity Within Methodist Beliefs"). Bush is generally recognized as a born-again Christian.

In one of the televised debates in the 2000 Republican primaries, all participating candidates were asked to name their favorite philosopher. Bush responded by stating "Jesus Christ" — averring that Christ was the philosopher who had "changed his life". Bush had not previously referred publicly to the topic of philosophers who had influenced him - and it is not known which other philosophers have had an impact on him.

What alarms me most is this paragraph lower down

First Term
Bush's first 100 days were considered less bipartisan than he pledged during the campaign. His most controversial appointment was John Ashcroft as Attorney General. Democrats vigorously opposed Ashcroft for his strong, socially conservative positions on issues like abortion and capital punishment, though they eventually confirmed him. On his first day in office, Bush moved to block federal aid to foreign groups that offered counseling or any other assistance to women in obtaining abortions. Days later, he announced his commitment to channeling more federal aid to faith-based service organizations that critics feared would dissolve the traditional separation of church and state.

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/George+W.+Bush

[GazeboflossUK]

Well if Wiki say's it.....

Oh yeah, he gets more votes this way..."god bless America...ahuh ahuh ahuh".

.....still not enough to win legally....but it gets him halfway there at least.

[General Smut]

Well we all know wikis not the most accurate thing in the world, but to totally dismiss it smacks of ignorance.

But you only listen to prisonplanet.com

[GazeboflossUK]

Hey, Actually, I like Wikipedia......but when you've seen evidence that George Bush attends the Bohemian Grove Club, who make 100% serious mock sacrifices during the “Cremation of Care” ritual, in which the club’s mascot is burned in effigy to an Owl Demon called 'Molech'.....symbolizing a freedom from the responsabitly of 'care'....then you can't say that Bush is "born again" now can you.

Plus that's not true about my news......I get my news from all over. But Yes, lot's of of the articles are from prisonplanet.com or prisonplanet.tv and Infowars.com......tough.....it's about getting out the truth. And they put lots of info from other sources together.

I don't care what you are think their or my agenda is........because the only one agenda we have is promotion of the truth.

[GazeboflossUK]

Anybody actually hear about the events in Lebanon today??

(This 'Terror Plot' eclipsed all other news, hmmmm)

[Jenjie]

Anybody actually hear about the events in Lebanon today??

(This 'Terror Plot' eclipsed all other news, hmmmm)

nothing on most of the main pages of the BBc site. am sure there'll be something there if you go to the Middle East section

[Jenjie]

UN attacks Lebanon aid 'disgrace' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4778591.stm)

Gaza-Egypt border briefly reopens (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4780259.stm)

Are the only 2 pieces from today. No other news today. Wouldn't normally listen to conspiracy theories, but what exactly have the various governments managed to bury in today's terrorism blanket?

[GazeboflossUK]

I've heard something else happened. Something bigger, regarding air-strike bombings in beirut but I'll wait to see if there's any truth to what I've been told.

[MrLick]

I heard israel is pulling 1,000 troops out or something. but im not sure if its true. maybe a ceasefire will happen soon.

[GazeboflossUK]

And I heard Israel have 40,000 troops ready, haha, I guess we will find out, in some capacity, what's happening soon.

[Maldini]

i use the exact same reasoning as you and that me no nations owns its land....so your land is not "your" land then....how are you any different then the jews then? you are not


I told you before

We in Egypt live as Egyptians not as Moslem or Christian or Jew

The religion dosn't matter here


But Israel based on religion

[Maldini]

Yes but the Nazi's had a proper army who didnt always fight and hide in civillan areas.

If Hesbollah fought like a proper army they'd be wiped out and so they choose instead to fight in civillan areas hence the high number of civillian deaths in Lebabon.

But apprently thats ok because they didnt start this and their suicide bombers only kill about 50 Israelis a year, they dislike the western world and hence people say they're the good guys

i find it rather sick that people are on their side. esp in the western world


I said before that Hezbollah not cowered as you say

If Hezbollah at the South why Israel hit the North and the Middle

If Hezbollah cowered as you say,Why Israel didn't make any progress when they meet them face to face

I think you know now who is the cowered

[huntjd]

BECAUSE THE WEAPONS COME FROM SYRIA!!!! syria is to the north.

[Maldini]

BECAUSE THE WEAPONS COME FROM SYRIA!!!! syria is to the north.


Hey,Israel hit every inch in Lebanon

Is every inch that Isarel hit it weapons?

[huntjd]

do you know geography?!
lebanon is to the north syria, to the east syria and to the south israel, and to the west the sea...
its the link between syria and hizbolla that israel are destoying

[Maldini]

do you know geography?!
lebanon is to the north syria, to the east syria and to the south israel, and to the west the sea...
its the link between syria and hizbolla that israel are destoying



So,what's your point?

[huntjd]

u say there is no link to syria.... which is why israel bombs all over lebanon....
if they dont get them from syria like you area saying... they must make katyushas from the water of the medditeranean cos they arent getting them from israel!

[Maldini]

u say there is no link to syria.... which is why israel bombs all over lebanon....
if they dont get them from syria like you area saying... they must make katyushas from the water of the medditeranean cos they arent getting them from israel!


I didn't said that no link to Syria

I know that Syria surrounded Lebanon from two side borders,but it dosn't mean to destroy all Lebanon

[huntjd]

u have incoherence in your argument. how can they not destroy part os of the country which are in the north south, if those sections are plaes where hizbollah is active or is recieveing arms?

[manc_ill_kid]

u have incoherence in your argument. how can they not destroy part os of the country which are in the north south, if those sections are plaes where hizbollah is active or is recieveing arms?
Can you try typing a bit slower and sorting out your spelling and punctuation please.

You could be making a really good case here, but it reads like some language I don't understand.

[Maldini]

u have incoherence in your argument. how can they not destroy part os of the country which are in the north south, if those sections are plaes where hizbollah is active or is recieveing arms?


I think I'm very coherent in my argument

If the North and South places where Hezbollah active and receiving weapons,why there are more than 1000 Lebanese civilian died since this war started

Is civilians houses between the Israeli targets?

[MrLick]

I think I'm very coherent in my argument

If the North and South places where Hezbollah active and receiving weapons,why there are more than 1000 Lebanese civilian died since this war started

Is civilians houses between the Israeli targets?


israel is only targeting hezbollah, but since they hide within civilians thats why innocent people are being killed.

[MrLick]

I told you before

We in Egypt live as Egyptians not as Moslem or Christian or Jew

The religion dosn't matter here


But Israel based on religion

nope. you can be a jewish and not be a jew. its not just a religion.

so israeli's live as jews, muslims and christians as your nation does....you see you dont even know that much about israel.

[MrLick]

I told you before

We in Egypt live as Egyptians not as Moslem or Christian or Jew

The religion dosn't matter here


But Israel based on religion

but i was talking about your reasoning that they stole the land, but infact if you view them as stealing the land they made into israel, YOUR nation has done the same hting like most nations. SO that means using YOUR reasoning your nation along with almost every nation is just as bad....now how can you hate on them for something your nation and just about every nation has done?

[MrLick]

Can you try typing a bit slower and sorting out your spelling and punctuation please.

You could be making a really good case here, but it reads like some language I don't understand.


He's making very easy to read statements. its quite easy to read what he is saying, im not sure what your problem but it can see what he is saying without a problem.

[Maldini]

nope. you can be a jewish and not be a jew. its not just a religion.

so israeli's live as jews, muslims and christians as your nation does....you see you dont even know that much about israel.


I don't know what you mean by'' you can be a Jewish and not to be a Jew'''

[Maldini]

but i was talking about your reasoning that they stole the land, but infact if you view them as stealing the land they made into israel, YOUR nation has done the same hting like most nations. SO that means using YOUR reasoning your nation along with almost every nation is just as bad....now how can you hate on them for something your nation and just about every nation has done?


What was I meant that:

The non-Palestinians Jews collect themselves in Palestine and make their nation which called now Israel

I mean it's a Palestinians land and who want to live in it [ from any religion ] can live as a forigner,if didn't like that [ it's ok ] go and take the nationalty

I know that Jews lived there thousands of years,but they lived as a PALESTINIANS JEWS not as a ISRAELI JEWS

I hope you can understand me

[huntjd]

where are the other jews supposed to live then? if they want to live in a jewish country? should they just not be allowed into israel?!

[Maldini]

where are the other jews supposed to live then? if they want to live in a jewish country? should they just not be allowed into israel?!

They can live in their countries and why they want a Jewish countery [ or religion country ] there is no country based on religion

[huntjd]

hypocrisy. whats saudi arabia? why is there civil war in iraq?
dubai, nigeria. they are all religious countries with shariah law!

[MrLick]

I don't know what you mean by'' you can be a Jewish and not to be a Jew'''


being a jew just isnt a religion. you dont have to be a jew to be jewish. you can be one by birth or convert to one as a religion. so their are christian jews in israel.

[MrLick]

What was I meant that:

The non-Palestinians Jews collect themselves in Palestine and make their nation which called now Israel

I mean it's a Palestinians land and who want to live in it [ from any religion ] can live as a forigner,if didn't like that [ it's ok ] go and take the nationalty

I know that Jews lived there thousands of years,but they lived as a PALESTINIANS JEWS not as a ISRAELI JEWS

I hope you can understand me

NO, most migrated their and werent palestinian jews.

[MrLick]

hypocrisy. whats saudi arabia? why is there civil war in iraq?
dubai, nigeria. they are all religious countries with shariah law!

Great and true point my friend

Maldini this is NOT a personal attack, but you really do not know much about this situation.

[Maldini]

hypocrisy. whats saudi arabia? why is there civil war in iraq?
dubai, nigeria. they are all religious countries with shariah law!

This countreis became like this because the majority and they not aimed to do that

[MrLick]

Senior military leaders of Iran are IN lebanon helping with the fights, and supplying hezbollah. this is Irans proxy

I dont think most people here get what is going on in this war.

how awesome Iran's power is, they can start a war and the person they attacked is the one the world attacks....does anyone else see the brilliance in this? Iran's leader has an awesome and dangerous power right now, a war they started that is helping them when their military proxy is LOSING it. they attack a nation through hezbollah and israel pays a heavy price poltically, Iran is untouchable right now on the world stage. no matter what they do they have a free pass because of the world, they can start a war and work towards getting nukes with no one doing anything much to stop them.

They start a war on a nation and the world goes against the nation attacked, do anyone of understand the power that gives Mahmoud Ahmadinejad? he has the world working for him now, not intentionaly but through his genius. a leader could ask for nothing more.

[Maldini]

being a jew just isnt a religion. you dont have to be a jew to be jewish. you can be one by birth or convert to one as a religion. so their are christian jews in israel.

What you mean by a Christians Jews?

They are Christains or Jews

[MrLick]

This countreis became like this because the majority and they not aimed to do that

It does not matter how it happened, it did.

[MrLick]

What you mean by a Christians Jews?

They are Christains or Jews

their are jewish christians, they were born a jew, jew as in a ethic group, BUT their religion is christianity, while some jews are born as jews and their religion is judieism(spelling?)

[Maldini]

NO, most migrated their and werent palestinian jews.

Make it more clear

[Maldini]

It does not matter how it happened, it did.

No,it's the core of the problem

[MrLick]

Make it more clear

there were not many jews in palestine til they had huge migrations starting in the late 1800's, before then not many jews were there.

[Maldini]

their are jewish christians, they were born a jew, jew as in a ethic group, BUT their religion is christianity, while some jews are born as jews and their religion is judieism(spelling?)

What I know that you must be a Christian or Jew,but both of them togehter

[MrLick]

No,it's the core of the problem

No, thier are many nations that are religious, why is it wrong for israel to do that when other nations do it to?

[MrLick]

What I know that you must be a Christian or Jew,but both of them togehter

Ok here how it goes, you can be a jew as a ethic group, you cant change that, BUT you can have your religion as any religion, christian, muslim, jeudism, hindu....

you can be a white anglo and be jewish by religion.

[Maldini]

there were not many jews in palestine til they had huge migrations starting in the late 1800's, before then not many jews were there.


Very good,so what I mean who have a right from Jews,who have lived in this land as a Palestinian

But who migrated and make a country [ it's not their right ]

[Maldini]

No, thier are many nations that are religious, why is it wrong for israel to do that when other nations do it to?


Religious country,like what?

[MrLick]

Very good,so what I mean who have a right from Jews,who have lived in this land as a Palestinian

But who migrated and make a country [ it's not their right ]

It is though, they bought or recieved the land from its owner, they didnt come in and steal it or cause a war and steal it. they gained the land legally and peacefuly.

[MrLick]

Religious country,like what?


Iran and saudi arabia.

[Maldini]

It is though, they bought or recieved the land from its owner, they didnt come in and steal it or cause a war and steal it. they gained the land legally and peacefuly.

I told you thousands times the owner land is [ Palestine ] not Britain

[MrLick]

I told you thousands times the owner land is [ Palestine ] not Britain


palestine? their was NO palestinian state or GOVERMENT. the goverment was british there. no palestinian nation or goverment. so how was it palestines when the land was legally owned by britian and the jews and a small portion (up to 22%) owned by arabs?!?!

[Maldini]

Iran and saudi arabia.

They not aimed to be a Moslem countries,people choose that

[MrLick]

They not aimed to be a Moslem countries,people choose that

But they are muslim nations, just like israel is a jewish one....the ONLY difference is that they have different religions.

[Maldini]

palestine? their was NO palestinian state or GOVERMENT. the goverment was british there. no palestinian nation or goverment. so how was it palestines when the land was legally owned by britian and the jews and a small portion (up to 22%) owned by arabs?!?!


No,Britain take Palestine under the mandate after the WW1 from the Ottoman Empire

[MrLick]

No,Britain take Palestine under the mandate after the WW1 from the Ottoman Empire

So? the ottoman turks stole that land from someone else, like the owners of that area did before the turks owned it....you see how the world works?

basically every nation isnt the origonal owner of their land....so i ask you why if its not anti semetism is it ok for your nation and others to do that and not for the jews? mind you that they BOUGHT AND RECIEVED THE land peacefuly.....

Britian legally won that land in war, thats what happens in war lots of time, you win and you win land....egypt won wars and won land...they are no different the britians....history's a bitch isnt it?

[Maldini]

But they are muslim nations, just like israel is a jewish one....the ONLY difference is that they have different religions.

Look:

Saudi Arabia and Iran wasn't a Moslem country

But after the Islam enter those to nation [ those people] [ I mean the native people ] became a Moslems

Not migrated people of ceartin religion to make a private country

[MrLick]

Look:

Saudi Arabia and Iran wasn't a Moslem country

But after the Islam enter those to nation [ those people] [ I mean the native people ] became a Moslems

Not migrated people of ceartin religion to make a private country

Ok, israel isnt a jewish nation....so the playing field is even.:cool:

[Maldini]

So? the ottoman turks stole that land from someone else, like the owners of that area did before the turks owned it....you see how the world works?

basically every nation isnt the origonal owner of their land....so i ask you why if its not anti semetism is it ok for your nation and others to do that and not for the jews? mind you that they BOUGHT AND RECIEVED THE land peacefuly.....

Britian legally won that land in war, thats what happens in war lots of time, you win and you win land....egypt won wars and won land...they are no different the britians....history's a bitch isnt it?


I think you didn't know the system of Ottoman Empire [ to make it more clear ]

It was like USA now

Palestine was a State and have a self control but under the observe from the Empire

[MrLick]

I think you didn't know the system of Ottoman Empire [ to make it more clear ]

It was like USA now

Palestine was a State and have a self control but under the observe from the Empire

like how it was under britian to a certian degree..

see britian was no different then them, the nation that owned it won it in war. like the people living there. so i ask you how is it ok for them to do that and not the jews? are you anti semetic then?

[Maldini]

Ok, israel isnt a jewish nation....so the playing field is even.:cool:

What,Israel isn't a Jewish nation [ I think you didn't even notice the name ]

Do you read or listen before to the leaders of Israel?

[Maldini]

like how it was under britian to a certian degree..

see britian was no different then them, the nation that owned it won it in war. like the people living there. so i ask you how is it ok for them to do that and not the jews? are you anti semetic then?

Ottoman Empire didn't took Palestine by war

[MrLick]

What,Israel isn't a Jewish nation [ I think you didn't even notice the name ]

Do you read or listen before to the leaders of Israel?


Have you listened to the leaders of Iran and Saudi arabia? they've said their nation is a muslim one.....you see if their leaders even know it and say it, why cant you accept this?

[MrLick]

Ottoman Empire didn't took Palestine by war
ahh again you are wrong on history, the conquered palestine IN 1516

[Maldini]

Have you listened to the leaders of Iran and Saudi arabia? they've said their nation is a muslim one.....you see if their leaders even know it and say it, why cant you accept this?


They say this beacuse their people 100% Moslem

They aren't megrated them from somewhere else to make a Moslem country

[MrLick]

the ottoman turks defeated the Mamelukes and CONQUERED palestine..

[MrLick]

They say this beacuse their people 100% Moslem

They aren't megrated them from somewhere else to make a Moslem country

Nope. not the whole population is muslim, there are jews and christians in those nations too. but the NATIONAL religion of the state and most people is islam.

[Maldini]

ahh again you are wrong on history, the conquered palestine IN 1516

Maybe you called it conquered but it isn't

[MrLick]

Maybe you called it conquered but it isn't

THEY WENT IN WITH A MILITARY AND TOOK THE LAND, YES TOOK IT. the jews peacefuly buy it and recieve it from its owners nad they are evil and the ottoman TAKE IT WITH FORCE and arent?

are you anti semetic?

[Maldini]

Nope. not the whole population is muslim, there are jews and christians in those nations too. but the NATIONAL religion of the state and most people is islam.


Can you tell me the percent of Christians and Jews their?

[MrLick]

p.s. EVERY historian calls it conquered. not MY words but a well known FACT.

[MrLick]

Can you tell me the percent of Christians and Jews their?
About 93 percent of Iran's 66 million citizens are Shi'ite Muslim, 5 percent Sunni Muslim, and 2 percent belong to other faiths.

[Maldini]

THEY WENT IN WITH A MILITARY AND TOOK THE LAND, YES TOOK IT. the jews peacefuly buy it and recieve it from its owners nad they are evil and the ottoman TAKE IT WITH FORCE and arent?

are you anti semetic?


Israel take it peacefully [ mybe in your dreams ]

By the way the,Ottoman Empire didn't conquered it

[MrLick]

Israel take it peacefully [ mybe in your dreams ]

By the way the,Ottoman Empire didn't conquered it


DO you even know history?

the jews didnt make war ot gain israel, they bought it and recieved it from britian WITHOUT using a military. so how so did they not take it peacefuly?

[Maldini]

About 93 percent of Iran's 66 million citizens are Shi'ite Muslim, 5 percent Sunni Muslim, and 2 percent belong to other faiths.


The Muslims didn't divided in the percentage all of them the same

What about Saudi Arabia?

[Maldini]

DO you even know history?

the jews didnt make war ot gain israel, they bought it and recieved it from britian WITHOUT using a military. so how so did they not take it peacefuly?

I will told you again,Britain didn't own Palestine

[MrLick]

why does it matter? what difference does it make? i mean what will knowing the percent of non muslims living in saudi arabia prove?

[MrLick]

I will told you again,Britain didn't own Palestine


then the ottomans never owned it and the people on control of it before the turks didnt own it either. BECAUSE they all gained control of it the EXACT SAME WAY. so then who owned palestine?

[Maldini]

why does it matter? what difference does it make? i mean what will knowing the percent of non muslims living in saudi arabia prove?

Because the percentage of non-Muslem their is 0%

[Maldini]

then the ottomans never owned it and the people on control of it before the turks didnt own it either. BECAUSE they all gained control of it the EXACT SAME WAY. so then who owned palestine?

You insist on your wrong information

[MrLick]

Because the percentage of non-Muslem their is 0%

you have to be the most naive and ignorant person ive met.

26.4 million people live there, so you can say for A FACT all of them are muslims?

[MrLick]

You insist on your wrong information


Ok, so the ottoman's owned palestine?

[MrLick]

btw the OFFICIAL STATE, YES STATE religion of saudia arabia is islam.

[MrLick]

ps 500,000 catholics live in saudi arabia

how can you make decisions if you dont know these simple facts?

[Maldini]

you have to be the most naive and ignorant person ive met.

26.4 million people live there, so you can say for A FACT all of them are muslims?

First, thank you for your praise [ very polite ]

Second,if there 1000 non-Muslem.You can't comapare them with 26.4 million live thee

[Maldini]

btw the OFFICIAL STATE, YES STATE religion of saudia arabia is islam.

Normally thing

[MrLick]

First, thank you for your praise [ very polite ]

Second,if there 1000 non-Muslem.You can't comapare them with 26.4 million live thee


who is comparing? you think there are none in that nation and i proved you wrong.

and its 500,000 catholics. so its way more then 1000 non muslims.

[Maldini]

ps 500,000 catholics live in saudi arabia

how can you make decisions if you dont know these simple facts?


What you saying,from where you get it lies

[MrLick]

Normally thing

but you said saudi arabia isnt a muslim naton, YET the goverment has declared that islam is the OFFICIAL state religion...ouch;)

[Maldini]

who is comparing? you think there are none in that nation and i proved you wrong.

and its 500,000 catholics. so its way more then 1000 non muslims.


Wrong information

[MrLick]

What you saying,from where you get it lies

catholic church HAS 500,000 member inside saudi arabia. thats how many in that nation CLAIM to be catholic,

[MrLick]

IF you do not know any history, or facts about the region YOU live in, then how can you make any decisions on the subject? or even try to debate it?

[Maldini]

but you said saudi arabia isnt a muslim naton, YET the goverment has declared that islam is the OFFICIAL state religion...ouch;)

Genius

The all people there are Muslem,what you want to rule by

of course Islamic Law

[MrLick]

Genius

The all people there are Muslem,what you want to rule by

of course Islamic Law

But you said the state religion was NOT islam, when the goverment says it is. the goverment says to be a islamic goverment

[Maldini]

IF you do not know any history, or facts about the region YOU live in, then how can you make any decisions on the subject? or even try to debate it?

So.........

[MrLick]

So.........

so its ok to make decisions without knowing the facts about is going on? wow thats sad

[Maldini]

But you said the state religion was NOT islam, when the goverment says it is. the goverment says to be a islamic goverment


When they funded Saudi Arabia [ is that a religion name ] they didn't base it on religion ideas they didn't named it Islamarabia

[Maldini]

so its ok to make decisions without knowing the facts about is going on? wow thats sad


Sad for you dude

[MrLick]

When they funded Saudi Arabia [ is that a religion name ] they didn't base it on religion ideas they didn't named it Islamarabia

So that does not change the fact it now is a muslim nation, with its state religion being islam. who cares about the religion it was when it was founded. what matters is what it is now.

[MrLick]

Sad for you dude

sad you dont know how the ottoman turks gained control of palestine, or how the jews did, or not knowing the state religion of nations by you, or knowing that they arent 100% muslim. that is the sad part.

[Maldini]

So that does not change the fact it now is a muslim nation, with its state religion being islam. who cares about the religion it was when it was founded. what matters is what it is now.

No,it's very important point and it's the core of the problem

[MrLick]

No,it's very important point and it's the core of the problem

of what problem? are you saying its a problem that saudi arabia is a islamic nation? i dont follow what you mean

[Maldini]

sad you dont know how the ottoman turks gained control of palestine, or how the jews did, or not knowing the state religion of nations by you, or knowing that they arent 100% muslim. that is the sad part.

Don't be sad for me,keep your sadness for other thing.I can deal with it

[MrLick]

Don't be sad for me,keep your sadness for other thing.I can deal with it

How are you fine with not knowing your history or things about nations by you?

[MrLick]

I used to be VERY anti-israel til i learned all the history about it.

[Maldini]

of what problem? are you saying its a problem that saudi arabia is a islamic nation? i dont follow what you mean


If you know how people establish any country you will know their purpose

When Saudi Arabia establishe they didn't aimed to make it an Islamic nation,incounter Israel they aimed to make it a religious country

[Maldini]

I used to be VERY anti-israel til i learned all the history about it.

You mean after you brainwashed

[MrLick]

If you know how people establish any country you will know their purpose

When Saudi Arabia establishe they didn't aimed to make it an Islamic nation,incounter Israel they aimed to make it a religious country

and germany wasnt founded to make nazism.....russia wasnt founded to be communist for a short amount of time, its not what you are founded for. because its what you are in the present time.

its ok for a nation to be islamic now and not for a nation to be jewish now? sounds VERY anti semetic to me. ok for muslims to have a nation but not for jews

[MrLick]

You mean after you brainwashed


for knowing my history and more about your fellow islamic nations then you?

[MrLick]

If you know how people establish any country you will know their purpose

When Saudi Arabia establishe they didn't aimed to make it an Islamic nation,incounter Israel they aimed to make it a religious country


ok tell me this, whats wrong about that?

i mean if i set out in my life to be a racist or became a racist isnt it just as bad?(not saying i am one, just making an example)

if you set out to kill someone or just end up doing it, isnt just as bad either way?

[Maldini]

and germany wasnt founded to make nazism.....russia wasnt founded to be communist for a short amount of time, its not what you are founded for. because its what you are in the present time.

its ok for a nation to be islamic now and not for a nation to be jewish now? sounds VERY anti semetic to me. ok for muslims to have a nation but not for jews


The example of Germany and Russia too far away from our topic.


The Muslems didn't ever aimed to make a nation

If any country most of people who live in it became a Jews it's ok

[MrLick]

ok tell me this, whats wrong about that?

i mean if i set out in my life to be a racist or became a racist isnt it just as bad?(not saying i am one, just making an example)

if you set out to kill someone or just end up doing it, isnt just as bad either way?

please answer this.

[Maldini]

ok tell me this, whats wrong about that?

i mean if i set out in my life to be a racist or became a racist isnt it just as bad?(not saying i am one, just making an example)

if you set out to kill someone or just end up doing it, isnt just as bad either way?

The wrong with that is the Jews occupied a land owned to others people and establish a Country

[MrLick]

The wrong with that is the Jews occupied a land owned to others people and establish a Country


why is it wrong for the jews to do that and not the people who did that in egypt or in iran or iraq or saudi arabia? you think its only wrong when the evil jews do it...but your muslim nations did it too. are they not just as bad?

[Maldini]

please answer this.

you are very impatient

[Maldini]

why is it wrong for the jews to do that and not the people who did that in egypt or in iran or iraq or saudi arabia? you think its only wrong when the evil jews do it...but your muslim nations did it too. are they not just as bad?


Egypt,Iran and Saudi Arabia didn't take the others land to make a Muslim country.The native of thoses three nation just became a Muslems not migrated anyone

The Jews occupied this land

[MrLick]

you are very impatient

soo...i didnt set out to be, so its ok..if it wanst my goal from the start then its ok!

[MrLick]

Egypt,Iran and Saudi Arabia didn't take the others land to make a Muslim country.The native of thoses three nation just became a Muslems not migrated anyone

The Jews occupied this land

those nations gained their land through, war and violence and some migration. so its only bad if the evil jews do it? oh wait the jews didnt even use violence to do it, unlike most those nations.

[MrLick]

Egypt,Iran and Saudi Arabia didn't take the others land to make a Muslim country.The native of thoses three nation just became a Muslems not migrated anyone

The Jews occupied this land


my point is the people in those nations for the most part and their leaders, werent from there, they conquered that land along time ago from someone else and gained control. JUST like the turks did in palestine and just like the british did in palestine....just like america did

[Maldini]

those nations gained their land through, war and violence and some migration. so its only bad if the evil jews do it? oh wait the jews didnt even use violence to do it, unlike most those nations.

Prove that Egypt,Iran and Saudi Arabia gained their land throught war and violence

[Maldini]

my point is the people in those nations for the most part and their leaders, werent from there, they conquered that land along time ago from someone else and gained control. JUST like the turks did in palestine and just like the british did in palestine....just like america did


Prove it

[MrLick]

Prove that Egypt,Iran and Saudi Arabia gained their land throught war and violence

for startes, the land of egypt was won in war by pharoahs taking land from other tribes and nations. the reason egypt is the size it is today is because the land was conquered from its native people. egypt like other places started off small, and through war conquered more land and grew.

[MrLick]

IRAN [Iran] , officially Islamic Republic of Iran. so think twice if you wanna say its not a muslim state

[MrLick]

Prove it

ok, the turks came in with a military and conquered palestine and controlled, it i cant prove it, LIKE you cant prove israel wasnt controlled by jews 400 years ago...we cant go back in time ot prove it, but history is recorded in this area. and i go by what is recorded.

[MrLick]

http://www.crystalinks.com/persian_empiremap.gif

map of 2000 bc.

[MrLick]

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/elamite/elamite.php

Iran didnt start out as big as it is now. it conquered land to become the size it is. do you think that when it was founded it was the size it is now?

[Maldini]

for startes, the land of egypt was won in war by pharoahs taking land from other tribes and nations. the reason egypt is the size it is today is because the land was conquered from its native people. egypt like other places started off small, and through war conquered more land and grew.

Really,the Pharoas taking land from other tribes and nations[ what the name of those tribes and nation ? ]

[Maldini]

IRAN [Iran] , officially Islamic Republic of Iran. so think twice if you wanna say its not a muslim state

The name became like this because the most of people there are Muslems

[MrLick]

Really,the Pharoas taking land from other tribes and nations[ what the name of those tribes and nation ? ]

i dont know any exact names

but do you think that every nation started out the size it is now? do you think iran started out this size or egypt? or america? or germany? or saudi arabia? NO they start off as small groups of peoples, tribes or city's and grow and conquer new land.

when the earth was created iran wasnt there, the exact same size it is now.

[Maldini]

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/elamite/elamite.php

Iran didnt start out as big as it is now. it conquered land to become the size it is. do you think that when it was founded it was the size it is now?

so,what about it?

[MrLick]

example. where modern day eygpt is, thousands of years ago it was TWO countries.

[MrLick]

so,what about it?

Iran didnt start out the size it is now, it gained land from other people to become how big it is now....

[MrLick]

After Rameses III., Egypt fell into decay. Solomon married the daughter of one of the last kings of the Twenty-first Dynasty, which was overthrown by Shishak I., the general of the Libyan mercenaries, who founded the Twenty-second Dynasty (1 Kings 11:40; 14:25,26). A list of the places he captured in Palestine is engraved on the outside of the south wall of the temple of Karnak.

a libyan overthrew a king. so you see even egypt has had many owners from different lands. so the people there now, most of them arent the origonal owners.

[MrLick]

YOUR nation of egypt has conquered lands in its past

present day sudan which used to be nubia was under egyptian rule until it gained independence from Egypt in 1956.

your nation has conquered land, how different is that from israel?

[Maldini]

example. where modern day eygpt is, thousands of years ago it was TWO countries.

not two countries

It's called Upper Egypt and North Egypt and the two parts united together


Like Germany

[MrLick]

not two countries

It's called Upper Egypt and North Egypt and the two parts united together


Like Germany

part of ancient nubia is now days part of egypt. they conquered it and sudan got indepedence BUT part of nubian land is now egyptian. again how are you different then israel?

egypt conquered land from other people to make its nation. theres just ONE example of this, nubia. so egypt is like israel...

[Maldini]

YOUR nation of egypt has conquered lands in its past

present day sudan which used to be nubia was under egyptian rule until it gained independence from Egypt in 1956.

your nation has conquered land, how different is that from israel?


Egypt gained it to make a big and strong Arabe country.Egypt didn't kick out the people of Sudan and they like it.We all brothers

I think you also know who stopped this project

of course Britain

[Maldini]

Iran didnt start out the size it is now, it gained land from other people to become how big it is now....


But now their people very happy about it.About they became Iranians

[Maldini]

YOUR nation of egypt has conquered lands in its past

present day sudan which used to be nubia was under egyptian rule until it gained independence from Egypt in 1956.

your nation has conquered land, how different is that from israel?


You talk about Ancient Egyptian when there is no one country appeared except Egypt

No on in this time know the system of the State

[MrLick]

Egypt gained it to make a big and strong Arabe country.Egypt didn't kick out the people of Sudan and they like it.We all brothers

I think you also know who stopped this project

of course Britain


israel didnt kick people out. but so its ok to conquer and make a arab country, but not for any other reason?

the nubians HATED IT. modern day you may like it, but you cant prove that. but the nubians hated egypt for what it did. egpyt conquered and STOLE their land.

[MrLick]

But now their people very happy about it.About they became Iranians

not everyone is happy about it. plus the reason why most aer is it happened THOUSANDs of years ago, if israel became israel 2000 years ago people wouldnt be mad

but you say its ok go use violence and military force to conquer land but not ok for the jews to do it? you are anti semetic. if its ok for them but not for the jews, you are.

[MrLick]

You talk about Ancient Egyptian when there is no one country appeared except Egypt

No on in this time know the system of the State

ancient egypt was a country, like it is in modern times.

[brandon313]

The Palestinians were kicked out when Israel was formed

[MrLick]

The Palestinians were kicked out when Israel was formed

there are palestinians inside of israel right now.

[Maldini]

israel didnt kick people out. but so its ok to conquer and make a arab country, but not for any other reason?

the nubians HATED IT. modern day you may like it, but you cant prove that. but the nubians hated egypt for what it did. egpyt conquered and STOLE their land.


Israel didn't kick people out [ what a joke ]

When Arabe try to became one big nation it's not called conquer,we are all Arab with us

We didn't try to gain non-Arab land

If the Nubians hate it why they didn't fight us

[Maldini]

not everyone is happy about it. plus the reason why most aer is it happened THOUSANDs of years ago, if israel became israel 2000 years ago people wouldnt be mad

but you say its ok go use violence and military force to conquer land but not ok for the jews to do it? you are anti semetic. if its ok for them but not for the jews, you are.


I told you before,whe the Jews lived in Palestine they lived as a Palestinians Jews

[MrLick]

Israel didn't kick people out [ what a joke ]

When Arabe try to became one big nation it's not called conquer,we are all Arab with us

We didn't try to gain non-Arab land

If the Nubians hate it why they didn't fight us

they kicked some out, but not everyone. but hey egypt kicked some nubians out too. but thats ok?

umm egpyt did gain non arab land, nubia want a arab nation.

Nubians DID fight egpyt but didnt do much good. like in modern day palesttine


so egypt DID gain non arab land from a non arab nation called NUBIA.

[Maldini]

ancient egypt was a country, like it is in modern times.


I think it

For that,you will see the anceint buildings just in Egypt

[Maldini]

there are palestinians inside of israel right now.

Live in racism

[MrLick]

What happened to the Arab Christians? At the onset of Islam, all of the Arab Christian tribes were military defeated or subdued. Numbers of them converted to Islam for socio-political reasons. When the Arab Islamic armies conquered the upper Middle East, the Christian Arabs were erased from Arabia, their Churches destroyed or converted to Mosques. Only few clans survived in southern Iraq, southern Syria, and mainly in north west Arabia -which became Trans-Jordan a few centuries later.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/09122001.htm

muslim arabs conquered christian land...again how is that different then the jews?

[Maldini]

they kicked some out, but not everyone. but hey egypt kicked some nubians out too. but thats ok?

umm egpyt did gain non arab land, nubia want a arab nation.

Nubians DID fight egpyt but didnt do much good. like in modern day palesttine


so egypt DID gain non arab land from a non arab nation called NUBIA.


Again wrong information

What's the longuage of Nubia?

[MrLick]

Live in racism

their racism towards the jews.

they could have a palestinian state if they wanted, but they wont stop attacking israel. if they put all the effort they put into terrorism into building a nation they could have one, but they just want to kill jews

[Maldini]

What happened to the Arab Christians? At the onset of Islam, all of the Arab Christian tribes were military defeated or subdued. Numbers of them converted to Islam for socio-political reasons. When the Arab Islamic armies conquered the upper Middle East, the Christian Arabs were erased from Arabia, their Churches destroyed or converted to Mosques. Only few clans survived in southern Iraq, southern Syria, and mainly in north west Arabia -which became Trans-Jordan a few centuries later.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/09122001.htm

muslim arabs conquered christian land...again how is that different then the jews?



Wow,the Muslims do all that

There are more than 10 million Christians live in Egypt


I think you should meet Christians Arabs

[MrLick]

Again wrong information

What's the longuage of Nubia?


the language was nubian



One of the most insulting events occurred a few months ago when thousands of Nigerians, Ghanians and other West Africans were lynched, attacked and killed in the streets of Libya, an Arab nation. Yet Africans continue to allow the Arab extermination of Blacks in Sudan and Mauritania, Arab racism and apartheid/racism in Zanzibar and parts of East Africa, and Arab mischief in some of the wars in West Africa. The time has long past for Black Africans to realise two things.

[Maldini]

their racism towards the jews.

they could have a palestinian state if they wanted, but they wont stop attacking israel. if they put all the effort they put into terrorism into building a nation they could have one, but they just want to kill jews


It's like when you took my home then you tell me [ you can live here ]

[MrLick]

Wow,the Muslims do all that

There are more than 10 million Christians live in Egypt


I think you should meet Christians Arabs

there used to be alot more. but i wasnt talking about in just egpyt.

[Maldini]

the language was nubian



One of the most insulting events occurred a few months ago when thousands of Nigerians, Ghanians and other West Africans were lynched, attacked and killed in the streets of Libya, an Arab nation. Yet Africans continue to allow the Arab extermination of Blacks in Sudan and Mauritania, Arab racism and apartheid/racism in Zanzibar and parts of East Africa, and Arab mischief in some of the wars in West Africa. The time has long past for Black Africans to realise two things.

What you talking about?:rolleyes:

[MrLick]

It's like when you took my home then you tell me [ you can live here ]

they didnt take anyones home! they bought the land and were given it. they didnt steal it from palestinains. the palestinians when israel was formed were alowd to keep their land, the land israel got was already owned by jews or land where few people lived. and owned by britian

[MrLick]

What you talking about?:rolleyes:

thousands of christians were hung by muslims....again how are your people any better then the jews?

[Maldini]

there used to be alot more. but i wasnt talking about in just egpyt.


You can't prove that the Muslims abuse the Christians

They saved them from the Roman Empire

[MrLick]

AS WE SPEAK in africa arab muslim gangs go around killing black africans because they are not muslim. how are your people any better then any other race or religion?

[Maldini]

they didnt take anyones home! they bought the land and were given it. they didnt steal it from palestinains. the palestinians when israel was formed were alowd to keep their land, the land israel got was already owned by jews or land where few people lived. and owned by britian

No

[Maldini]

thousands of christians were hung by muslims....again how are your people any better then the jews?


Prove it

[MrLick]

You can't prove that the Muslims abuse the Christians

They saved them from the Roman Empire

you cant prove muslims even exist.

but it was a RECORDED FACT thousands of blacks were hung.

you cant prove to me egypt is even a nation, but through history and evidence its proven. much like the case where they were hung

[Maldini]

AS WE SPEAK in africa arab muslim gangs go around killing black africans because they are not muslim. how are your people any better then any other race or religion?

In fact,I don't know anything about it

But if it really exist,surely I disagree with that

[MrLick]

Prove it

prove to me israel is a nation? you cant prove anything unless you see it, but you can use logic, and facts to prove a point when something is not seen. it was a recorded hanging. documented fact

[MrLick]

Arab Racism And Imperialism In Sudan (Africa)
Posted: Saturday, December 8, 2001

By Nubianem

ARAB COLONIALISM AND SANCTIFIED RACISM IS RAMPANT IN AFRICA AND ITS TIME AFRICANS SOLVE THIS PROBLEM

One of the most insulting events occurred a few months ago when thousands of Nigerians, Ghanians and other West Africans were lynched, attacked and killed in the streets of Libya, an Arab nation. Yet Africans continue to allow the Arab extermination of Blacks in Sudan and Mauritania, Arab racism and apartheid/racism in Zanzibar and parts of East Africa, and Arab mischief in some of the wars in West Africa. The time has long past for Black Africans to realise two things.

(1) Arabs are Caucasians whose racism and religious imperialism is responsible for the destruction of African civilizations (see the essay "African War Against the Arabs," http://community.webtv.net/paulnubiaempire.

(2) The Arabs and other Semites will never respect Black Africans and will continue to use their henchmen in Sudan and elsewhere to continue the extermination of Black Africans so they can depopulate the continent of Blacks and occupy it, as thy have done in Northern Africa. Hence, the solution is for the unification of BLACK AFRICANS/PAN-NEGRO PEOPLES all over the world to unite in the fight to stop what is an ancient war of genocide against Blacks which began with the invasion of Nubia by the Arab armies during the 600's A.D. Although they were defeated, they continued harrassment and imposed enslavement on Blacks, destroying the Great Nubian Kingdom and occupying much of Sudan today, while imposing their religion and culture on the region.

The unification of Africa was an important step, yet for some reasons it seems that some Africans are still unaware of Arab intentions in Africa which has been the same since the invasions of Egypt during the six hundreds a.d. When one looks at a map of the world and sees Sudan, Somalia and a numnber of Black nations suddenly classified as "Arab," one has to wonder what are Africans/Blacks worldwide doing to stop this swollowing of African lands, extermination of African people, enslavement and destroying of African men, women and chiildren, and imposing of non-African religions and culture that is totally against African traditions on Africans.

What does that say, that we as Blacks will follow the cultures and religions of people like sheep, simply because we think their religions are better?

RETURNING TO AFRICAN RELIGIONS

The main problem in Africa today is one of alien occupation of African lands, alien control of African resources and alien control of the African mind. African religions MUST BE REESTABLISHED ALL OVER THE AFRICAN CONTINENT AND RELIGIONS THAT PROMOTE THE CULTURE, BELIEFS AND RACISM OF OTHER PEOPLES SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED.

The same religious concepts such as the lie called "the curse of Ham," used by the Semitic religions to justify slavery of Blacks is used to justy and promote/practice Arab and European racism against Blacks under the guise of religious teachings.

Any religion that calls for the enslavement of Africans or whose practicioners justy and practice the enslavement of Africans or anyone else should be eliminated from the consciousness of Blacks.

The same beliefs that are used to enslave Blacks in Sudan and Mauritania are used to occupy the lands of Blacks in Indonesia, Iryan Jaya and elsewhere. Slavery and kidnapping of Blacks in SE Asia, Melanesia, Papua-New Guinea has been going on for centuries and has been carried out by people who use the very same religious beliefs they use to justify their occupation and destruction of the Nubas, Dinkas, Nubians and other Africans in Sudan, Mauritania, East Africa and elsewhere.

AFRICAN RELIGIONS SERVE AFRICAN SPIRITUAL NEEDS

The original African religions such as Shango, Imbanda, Vadu, Condomble, Lucumi and even the ancient African Coptic Christian religion found in Nubia (which the Arabs are trying to eliminate) and Ethiopia are religions that contribute to the mental, psychological and spiritual needs of Africans. These religions deal with aspects of our being. When we observe the forces of nature and the power of the human mind and human capabilities in Shango, Vadu or Condomble, we recognize our devine powers, bestowed upon us by the Devine Mind (God), instead of kneeling before the statue of what is supposed to be some god imposed on us by people who continue to apply racism and enslavement on Black people on a worldwide scale.

Obviously, it is true there needs to be a reformation in African Spiritualist Religions (see the essay, "Harry Potter and the Black Origins of Magic," http://community.webtv.net/paulnubiaempire For example, religions such as Condomble of Brail, Shango of Trinidad, Vadu of Haiti, African Spiritualism practiced in West and Southern Africa and the religions of the Black Dalits of India and the Blacks of the Pacific/Melanesia should be unified. There should be a system of rules, lore, traditions, writings, sacred texts to store the sacred knowledge and a system of temples and architecture. THERE SHOULD BE A REFORMATION IN TRADITIONAL AFRICAN RELIGION. For example some teachings should be refined such as depending on our ancestors (as we depend on Christ for all our needs, while sitting on our backs waiting). We should say, "with the guidance of our ancestors, we shall work harder," rather than believing, "God the ancestors will provide," therefore we need not work hard or strive for improvement.

In retrospect, as long as Africans/Blacks worldwide continue to allow the religions and cultures of others to permeate our minds, destroy our cultures, corrupt our morality, we will always be slaves to Arabs in Sudan and Mauritania, Indonesia and the South Pacific. We will always be used by missionaries from religions such as Mormism whose texts and writings still contain statements that some say are very insulting to Blacks, yet whose religion is spreading in Africa, as if they realize Africans have no time to think, but will accept anybody's religion, including those that say Blacks are "cursed."

Africa and the Black world from Latin America through the Caribbean and the U.S. to Africa, Dalit India, Melanesia, Australia and elsewhere must bring into being a world Black cultural and spiritual renaissance (see African Renaissance....http://community.webtv.net/paulnubiaempire ) Religion more than any other ideology digs deep into the essence of human spirituality and being. How can we be who we are if we are permeated with the religious beliefs invented by other people, speaking their languages, wearing their attire, following their holidays and brutalizing our own people because they (the religious imperialists) hate us and told us too (as in Sudan).

The time has come to return to our own religions and culture. The key is reforming beliefs that ar4e outdated, preserving and improving what will contribute to the progress of Blacks worldwide. THE ESSENCE OF AFRICAN RELIGION IS BELIEF IN SELF AND BELIEF IN THE POWER OF THE DEVINE MIND (GOD) WITHIN US. With such belief, we will never feel inferior to anyone, we will never sit aside and watch invaders and religious imperialists swallow our motherland and exterminate our relatives (as some Africans are sitting back while Arab religious imperialism and racism destroys Africans), we will work to earn and take our place in the world as a great people, as we were before our minds become confused and our objectives changed.

Pianke Nubianem
Nubianem3@webtv.net
http://community.webtv.net/paulnubiaempire


http://rastafaritimes.com/rasnews/viewnews.cgi?newsid1007870400,58733,.shtml

[MrLick]

In fact,I don't know anything about it

But if it really exist,surely I disagree with that


Good, but something that huge you dont know about it? hundreds of thousands killed for race reason close to your nation and you dont hear any news of it?

isnt that odd to you? your nations news keeps such HUGE things that are going on in this world a secret to you?

[Maldini]

you cant prove muslims even exist.

but it was a RECORDED FACT thousands of blacks were hung.

you cant prove to me egypt is even a nation, but through history and evidence its proven. much like the case where they were hung


I will learn you a Law rule


Who claimed against what already exist [ he is the one who must prove what he say

If anyone stolen your car
You must prove that you own it

[Maldini]

Good, but something that huge you dont know about it? hundreds of thousands killed for race reason close to your nation and you dont hear any news of it?

isnt that odd to you? your nations news keeps such HUGE things that are going on in this world a secret to you?

Egypt not USA dude

[brandon313]

our nation is no better Nick. You talk about blacks being hung...we have lived in a nation racist against blacks ever since they were brought here. The new york riots of 1862 was basically the city against the black population. Hundreds were hung and burned. This was no different all over the country in the years before and after the American Civil War.

we are no better.

[MrLick]

I will learn you a Law rule


Who claimed against what already exist [ he is the one who must prove what he say

If anyone stolen your car
You must prove that you own it


there somethings you cant prove 100% without being there or seeing it, like history but you can rely on history for it.

example i cannot prove to you there ever was a pharoah in egypt, but i know for a fact their was, but i cant prove it. i can use history to do it, but otherwise i cannot without being there to see it

[MrLick]

our nation is no better Nick. You talk about blacks being hung...we have lived in a nation racist against blacks ever since they were brought here. The new york riots of 1862 was basically the city against the black population. Hundreds were hung and burned. This was no different all over the country in the years before and after the American Civil War.

we are no better.

HAVE I EVER said we are? ive keep saying that every nation is bad and we are no better. thats what my point is, egypt is no better then israel, nor is america any better. she thinks egpyt and arab nations are, when they do the exact same things our nation does and did and what israel has done and still does.

[MrLick]

Egypt not USA dude

yeah, funny i know about the countries RIGHT BY you and whats going on and YOU dont.....kinda crazy.

[MrLick]

here is my main point. every arab nation and america and israel have ALL done the same things. conquered land, kicked people out and made wars....she doesnt accept this simple fact. america, egpyt and israel do the same thing. so israel is no better then us or egypt and vise versa

[Maldini]

yeah, funny i know about the countries RIGHT BY you and whats going on and YOU dont.....kinda crazy.

Really,yes

As long as the Jews taking over the media in USA

[Maldini]

here is my main point. every arab nation and america and israel have ALL done the same things. conquered land, kicked people out and made wars....she doesnt accept this simple fact. america, egpyt and israel do the same thing. so israel is no better then us or egypt and vise versa


Of course not

It's a wrong information

[MrLick]

Really,yes

As long as the Jews taking over the media in USA


so the jews take over our media and bash their own nation all the time?

second of all it has nothing to do with that, the simple fact i know what is going on with nations next to you, when you live by them and you do not even know when these HUGE events happen. one of the world's BIGGEST genocides is going on by your nation and you dont know about it?

[Maldini]

so the jews take over our media and bash their own nation all the time?

second of all it has nothing to do with that, the simple fact i know what is going on with nations next to you, when you live by them and you do not even know when these HUGE events happen. one of the world's BIGGEST genocides is going on by your nation and you dont know about it?

Genocides

I think it's big word to you

[Maldini]

so the jews take over our media and bash their own nation all the time?

second of all it has nothing to do with that, the simple fact i know what is going on with nations next to you, when you live by them and you do not even know when these HUGE events happen. one of the world's BIGGEST genocides is going on by your nation and you dont know about it?


They say this because they want to divide the Sudan

[brandon313]

yea sounds like the Landsberg concentration camp.
Liberated by the 101st Airborne in 1945, The entire town of Landsberg lived within a mile radius of the concentration camp, medium sized, and then claimed to have known NOTHING about it.

the 101 obliged them by making the citizens of the town help dispose of the bodies...

just something that comes to mind

[MrLick]

Genocides

I think it's big word to you


what do you call hundreds of thousands of africans KILLED BY muslims? a little mistake? this is genocide, hundreds of thousands of UNARMED civilians killed. RIGHT BY YOUR NATION

[MrLick]

yea sounds like the Landsberg concentration camp.
Liberated by the 101st Airborne in 1945, The entire town of Landsberg lived within a mile radius of the concentration camp, medium sized, and then claimed to have known NOTHING about it.

the 101 obliged them by making the citizens of the town help dispose of the bodies...

just something that comes to mind

i heard about that, and you make a good point.


brandon im not trying to change his view on israel, but the fact his nation and other arab nations do the same things. thats all.

[MrLick]

all i want him to know is his nation does the exact same things. he wont even admit it, he wont even admit his nation conquered other lands from people

[brandon313]

Maldini, i do see where he is coming from. I do not believe i am any better than you, or anyone else in this world for that matter, but Nick does make a point, most powerful or once powerful countries in the world have had some sort of genocide or extermination on their record....we americans have to look what happened with the blacks, and a much larger genocide, the Native Americans...there is no shame in admitting that your country is guilty of some of these crimes. Its the natural process of moving on, the sooner you accept history the sooner you can make it.

[MrLick]

Maldini, i do see where he is coming from. I do not believe i am any better than you, or anyone else in this world for that matter, but Nick does make a point, most powerful or once powerful countries in the world have had some sort of genocide or extermination on their record....we americans have to look what happened with the blacks, and a much larger genocide, the Native Americans...there is no shame in admitting that your country is guilty of some of these crimes. Its the natural process of moving on, the sooner you accept history the sooner you can make it.

wise words.

maldini every nation has conquered and taken lands to become the size that it is. its how nations grow in size. its how egpyt is the size it is.

[MrLick]

oh and the palestinians arent even the first ones in that land

The Canaanites were the earliest known inhabitants of Palestine.

now for some more history....

Because no other peoples had ever established a national homeland in "Palestine" since the Jews had done it 2,000 years before, the British "looked favorably" upon the creation of a Jewish National Homeland throughout ALL of Palestine. The Jews had already begun mass immigration into Palestine in the 1880's in an effort to rid the land of swamps and malaria and prepare for the rebirth of Israel. This Jewish effort to revitalize the land attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighboring areas who were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions. There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of what few Arabs there or those Arab masses that immigrated into this area along with the Jews!

[MrLick]

'In 1923, the British divided the "Palestine" portion of the Ottoman Empire into two administrative districts. Jews would be permitted only west of the Jordan river. In effect, the British had "chopped off" 75% of the originally proposed Jewish Palestinian homeland to form an Arab Palestinian nation called Trans-Jordan (meaning "across the Jordan River"). This territory east of the Jordan River was given to Emir Abdullah (from Hejaz, now Saudi Arabia) who was not even an Arab-"Palestinian!" This portion of Palestine was renamed Trans-Jordan. Trans-Jordan and would again be renamed "Jordan" in 1946. In other words, the eastern 3/4 of Palestine would be renamed TWICE, in effect, erasing all connection to the name "Palestine!" However, the bottom line is that the Palestinian Arabs had THEIR "Arab Palestinian" homeland. The remaining 25% of Palestine (now WEST of the Jordan River) was to be the Jewish Palestinian homeland. However, sharing was not part of the Arab psychological makeup then nor now.

Encouraged and incited by growing Arab nationalism throughout the Middle East, the Arabs of that small remaining Palestinian territory west of the Jordan River launched never-ending murderous attacks upon the Jewish Palestinians in an effort to drive them out. Most terrifying were the Hebron massacres of 1929 and later during the 1936-39 "Arab Revolt." The British at first tried to maintain order but soon (due to the large oil deposits being discovered throughout the Arab Middle East) turned a blind eye. It became painfully clear to the Palestinian Jews that they must fight the Arabs AND drive out the British.
History of Palestine :1947 U.N. Partition Plan

The Palestinian Jews were forced to form an organized defense against the Arabs Palestinians.... thus was formed the Hagana, the beginnings of the Israeli Defense Forces [IDF]. There was also a Jewish underground called the Irgun led by Menachem Begin (who later became Prime Minister of Israel). Besides fighting the Arabs, the Irgun was instrumental in driving out the pro-Arab British. Finally in 1947 the British had enough and turned the Palestine matter over to the United Nations.
The 1947 U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan was to divide the remaining 25% of Palestine into a Jewish Palestinian State and a SECOND Arab Palestinian State (Trans-Jordan being the first) based upon population concentrations. The Jewish Palestinians accepted... the Arab Palestinians rejected. The Arabs still wanted ALL of Palestine... both east AND west of the Jordan River.

Our Palestinian Cousins started the '48 war, and in so doing released the warlike appetites of a nation of survivors, a people with no place to run, who had repressed their rage for millennia, and had now earned full title to it!

On May 14, 1948 the "Palestinian" Jews finally declared their own State of Israel and became "Israelis." On the next day, seven neighboring Arab armies... Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen... invaded Israel. Most of the Arabs living within the boundaries of the newly declared "ISRAEL" were encouraged to leave by the invading Arab armies to facilitate the slaughter of the Jews and were promised to be given all Jewish property after the victorious Arab armies won the war. The truth is that 70% of the Arab Palestinians who left in 1948 – perhaps 300,000 to 400,000 of them – never saw an Israeli soldier! They did not flee because they feared Jewish thugs, but because of a rational and reasonable calculus: the Jews will be exterminated; we will get out of the way while that messy and dangerous business goes forward, and we will return afterwards to reclaim our homes, and to inherit those nice Jewish properties as well. They guessed wrong; and the Arab Palestinians are still tortured by the residual shame of their flight. Their shame is so great because in their eyes running from Jews was like running from women. So much for the blatant lie about Jews throwing out all the [Palestinian] Arabs!

The remaining 30% either (1) saw for themselves that these Jews would fight and die for their new nation and decided to pack up and leave or (2) were driven off the land as a normal consequence of war.

When the 19 month war ended, Israel survived despite a 1% loss of its entire population! Those Arabs who did not flee became today's Israeli-Arab citizens. Those who fled became the seeds of the first wave of "Palestinian Arab refugees."

The Arab propagandists and apologists almost never mentioned that in 1948, Arab armies launched a war against a one-day-old Israel. Instead he focused on the main consequence of that war: the creation of Arab refugees, stating that Israel "short of genocide" expelled 800,000 of them. This not only disagrees with UN estimates of a bit over 400,000 refugees but also ignores the fact that most of the Arabs/Palestinians were encouraged to leave by the Arab World itself!
1949 Armistice Lines Following 1st Arab-Israeli War The end result of the 1948-49 Israeli War of Independence was the creation of a Jewish State slightly larger than that which was proposed by the 1947 United Nations Resolution 181. What remained of that almost-created second Arab Palestinian State was gobbled up by (1) Egypt (occupying the Gaza Strip) and by (2) Trans-Jordan (occupying Judea-Samaria (a.k.a. the "West Bank" of the Jordan River) and Jerusalem. In the next year (1950) Trans-Jordan formally merged this West Bank territory into itself and granted all those "Palestinian" Arabs living there Jordanian citizenship. Since Trans-Jordan was then no longer confined to one side of the Jordan River, it renamed itself simply "Jordan." In the final analysis, the Arabs of Palestine ended up with nearly 85% of the original territory of Palestine... called Jordan but in reality their ARAB "Palestinian state! But that was still not 100% and thus the conflict between Arab and Jew for "Palestine" would continue through four more wars and continuous Arab terrorist attacks upon the Israeli citizenry. It continues to this very day.
From 1949-67 when all of Judea-Samaria [West Bank & Jerusalem] and Gaza ... were 100% under Arab [Jordanian & Egyptian] control, no effort was EVER made to create a second Palestinian State for the Arabs living there. Surely you do not expect Israel to now provide these same Arabs with their own country when their fellow Arabs failed to do so! And isn't it curious how Arafat and his PLO (formed in 1964) discovered their "ancient" identity and a need for "self-determination" and "human dignity" on this very same West Bank ONLY AFTER Israel regained this territory (three years later in 1967) following Jordan's attempt attempt to destroy Israel! Why was no request ever made upon King Hussein of Jordan by the Arabs living on the West Bank when he occupied it? Is it logical that the PLO was formed in 1964 to regain the lands they would lose three years later in 1967? This sort of logic makes sense only to those who who have not learned that the PLO was formed to DESTROY Israel. And that is STILL their goal! A cosmetic name change from PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization) to PA (Palestinian Authority) does not change the stripes on THIS tiger!
Pre- '67 war

Throughout much of May 1967, the Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian armies mobilized along Israel's narrow and seemingly indefensible borders in preparation for a massive invasion to eliminate the State of Israel. The battle cry heard throughout the Arab world was then, as it continues to be... "Slaughter the Jews" and "Throw the Jews into the Sea!" But the Jews of Israel, remembering 2,000 years of being butchered, gassed, burned and skinned (eg. The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, the Arab rampages of early Palestine and particularly the Holocaust), planned and executed a perfect pre-emptive strike against Egypt. Within two hours the Egyptian Air Force did not exist... most of its planes destroyed while still on the runways! Unaware that the Egyptians had no more air force, King Hussein of Jordan, launched his attack from the his West Bank into Israel's belly while Syrian troops prepared to descend down the Golan Heights high ground into northern Israel.

Now for some facts about "occupation." Firstly, the Egyptians, Jordanians and Syrians lost Gaza, the West Bank and Golan Heights (respectively) by participating in a failed attempt at genocide against the Children of Israel. Had Israel lost this 1967 defensive war, the Arab-Palestinians and their Arab allies would have raped, butchered or driven out every Israeli they could get their hands on and gobbled up all of Israel. Now, 35+ years later and despite the fact that Israel won a war BROUGHT UPON THEM, the Israelis are still willing to allow the Arab-Palestinians to have a state on much of the West Bank and Gaza if only they will stop sending their suicide/homicide bombers into the heart of Israel! (Talk about misplaced compassion!)

From 1948 to 1967, Egypt ruled Gaza, Syria ruled the Golan Heights, while Jordan ruled the West Bank. They could have set up independent Arab-Palestinian states in any or all of those territories, but they didn't even consider it. Instead, in 1967 they used the Golan Heights, Gaza and the West bank to launch a war that was unambiguously aimed at destroying Israel, which is how Israel came into possession of those territories in the first place."

[MrLick]

"Note: When people say Jordan (first called Trans-Jordan) is an Arab-"Palestinian" State, they are correct! Jordan accounts for 3/4 of Palestine's original land mass. Though they may call themselves "Jordanians," they are culturally, ethnically, historically and religiously no different than the Arab-"Palestinians" on the "West Bank." Even the flag of Jordan and the flag of the proposed 2nd Arab-Palestinian state on the West Bank / Gaza look almost identical. So, if the Arab-Palestinians and Jordanians think of themselves as one and the same, why should WE fall for the lie that the Arab Palestinians west of the Jordan River are any different from the Jordanian Arabs on its eastern shore?"

[MrLick]

"The term "Palestinian" itself had referred to Israeli Jews back in the 1940s, and had been slowly deconstructed and redefined to refer to the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza. The Middle East Conflict was always a war by Arabs against Jews, not a conflict between Israelis and "Palestinians." The war was repackaged as a conflict between Jews and Palestinians as a public relations gimmick by the Arab fascist regimes. These regimes had never had any interest in "Palestinians," in creating a "Palestinian" state, or in "Palestinian nationalism" before 1967. That is because Palestinian nationalism did not and DOES NOT exist. The Palestinians were a regional group of Arabs having virtually no cultural nor national distinctive traits separating them from Syrians, Lebanese, and Jordanians. They are all basically Arabs!.

The bulk of what are called "Palestinian Arabs" are members of families who migrated into the Land of Israel beginning in the late 19th century. Palestinian nationalism is a mislabeling of Arab nationalism. Arab nationalism exists, although it is closely bound up with Islamic nationalism and even Islamism. Palestinian nationalism, however, is a phantom."

[Maldini]

what do you call hundreds of thousands of africans KILLED BY muslims? a little mistake? this is genocide, hundreds of thousands of UNARMED civilians killed. RIGHT BY YOUR NATION

Where?

[Maldini]

wise words.

maldini every nation has conquered and taken lands to become the size that it is. its how nations grow in size. its how egpyt is the size it is.

Yes Egypt size didn't changed

I suggest to you,to read the Ancient Egyptian History

[Maldini]

oh and the palestinians arent even the first ones in that land

The Canaanites were the earliest known inhabitants of Palestine.

now for some more history....

Because no other peoples had ever established a national homeland in "Palestine" since the Jews had done it 2,000 years before, the British "looked favorably" upon the creation of a Jewish National Homeland throughout ALL of Palestine. The Jews had already begun mass immigration into Palestine in the 1880's in an effort to rid the land of swamps and malaria and prepare for the rebirth of Israel. This Jewish effort to revitalize the land attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs from neighboring areas who were drawn by employment opportunities and healthier living conditions. There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of what few Arabs there or those Arab masses that immigrated into this area along with the Jews!


DON'T care about the names
Canaan the same is Palestine


Like Egyptians.In the encient days they were called Pharaohs but now called Egyptians

[Maldini]

"The term "Palestinian" itself had referred to Israeli Jews back in the 1940s, and had been slowly deconstructed and redefined to refer to the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza. The Middle East Conflict was always a war by Arabs against Jews, not a conflict between Israelis and "Palestinians." The war was repackaged as a conflict between Jews and Palestinians as a public relations gimmick by the Arab fascist regimes. These regimes had never had any interest in "Palestinians," in creating a "Palestinian" state, or in "Palestinian nationalism" before 1967. That is because Palestinian nationalism did not and DOES NOT exist. The Palestinians were a regional group of Arabs having virtually no cultural nor national distinctive traits separating them from Syrians, Lebanese, and Jordanians. They are all basically Arabs!.

The bulk of what are called "Palestinian Arabs" are members of families who migrated into the Land of Israel beginning in the late 19th century. Palestinian nationalism is a mislabeling of Arab nationalism. Arab nationalism exists, although it is closely bound up with Islamic nationalism and even Islamism. Palestinian nationalism, however, is a phantom."


From your words,I understand that there isn't any country or something called Palestine before 1940

So,how Belfour mentioned about Palestine in his decleration

[MrLick]

Where?


ALL over africa. one example would be darfur.

http://www.darfurgenocide.org/

[MrLick]

From your words,I understand that there isn't any country or something called Palestine before 1940

So,how Belfour mentioned about Palestine in his decleration


there was NEVER a palestine state,

[MrLick]

DON'T care about the names
Canaan the same is Palestine


Like Egyptians.In the encient days they were called Pharaohs but now called Egyptians


you dont even know your own national history. PHAROAHS were egpytian KINGS, not the average citizen. egyptians in acient time were called egyptians too. wow just wow.


so the average ancient egyptian was NOT called pharoah, that was only for the kings of ancient egypt. not to mention people in your modern nation were not egyptians thousands of years ago, they were living under different leaders, they were conquered and integrated into egyptain society but were not origionaly egyptian.


as for the caaninites(spelling?) they were a different people then who lives there now days. the palestinians living in palestinte are a different group of people.....so the are NOT decendents of the cannanites

[manc_ill_kid]

How can you actually conquer land? its not going to put up much of a fight is it?

[MrLick]

How can you actually conquer land? its not going to put up much of a fight is it?

you conquer the people on that land....and take their land. thats what conquering a land is...

[GazeboflossUK]

And America knows exactly how that works.......they've had alot of practise recently.

Joking, well, half joking.......a cheeky little jape there......it was too easy.

[MrLick]

And America knows exactly how that works.......they've had alot of practise recently.

Joking, well, half joking.......a cheeky little jape there......it was too easy.

Most nations know how it works....

[MrLick]

oh and this cease fire isnt going to work for too long. the lebanese army is too buddy buddy with hezbollah to disarm or stop them. they may prevent attacks on israel for a short amount of time, but this wont be long term. Iran's not going to let that happen.

[General Smut]

ALL over africa. one example would be darfur.

http://www.darfurgenocide.org/

The reason why people dont care too much about darfur (which i reckon is a far worse situation than the current mid-east spat) is thats its not cool to care about it.

Its cool bashing America, its cool bashing Blair, its cool bashing Bush.
If they dont do much about Darfur then no-one cares about it.

Its been well reported in the news over here but its not seen as a fashionable cause. Not many people donate money for it, and certainly no-ones marched for peace in the country.

Considering its brought way more misery and suffering to people in the past year comapred to the current Israel/Hisbollah showdown i think this is a shocking state of affairs.

[MrLick]

The reason why people dont care too much about darfur (which i reckon is a far worse situation than the current mid-east spat) is thats its not cool to care about it.

Its cool bashing America, its cool bashing Blair, its cool bashing Bush.
If they dont do much about Darfur then no-one cares about it.

Its been well reported in the news over here but its not seen as a fashionable cause. Not many people donate money for it, and certainly no-ones marched for peace in the country.

Considering its brought way more misery and suffering to people in the past year comapred to the current Israel/Hisbollah showdown i think this is a shocking state of affairs.


Thats a good point, but i think alot of people care less about jewish people and black people.

[huntjd]

Thats a good point, but i think alot of people care less about jewish people and black people.

???? explain....

[GazeboflossUK]

yes, please explain.

[MrLick]

If black people in africa were killing whites or arabs the world would be pissed off at them like they are israel. if the tables were turned in israel no one would give a damn. if in europe what was happening in africa was happening there, there would be alot more public outcry and people would try to stop it. but since they are poor black people being slaughtered in africa not many seem to care or do anything about it. it sickens me.

[Maldini]

ALL over africa. one example would be darfur.

http://www.darfurgenocide.org/


Hey,all about the genocid in Darfur is a lies

Everybody know that there was others country want to divided Sudan into small countris becuse they know the Sudan natural wealth and the pitrol of course

Who declared to be a genocide is USA not UN or EU? of course you know why and can you tell me why USA [ The Official Sponsor of The World Peace ] refused to fund the African forces and everybody know they achieve many progress their

How you call it a genocide and 99% from the population is Muslims

All people know that the southern rebels when they failed in south they like to began again but this time from the west and you know that the most people died from the famine and starvation

[Maldini]

If black people in africa were killing whites or arabs the world would be pissed off at them like they are israel. if the tables were turned in israel no one would give a damn. if in europe what was happening in africa was happening there, there would be alot more public outcry and people would try to stop it. but since they are poor black people being slaughtered in africa not many seem to care or do anything about it. it sickens me.


No, Sudan crisis is delayed until that countries finish their task with Lebanon,Syria and Iran

[huntjd]

i doubt that. its just being ignored all together. the us wont get involved because theres nothing in it for them. i'm just basing that on 'the bush doctrine'

[MrLick]

No, Sudan crisis is delayed until that countries finish their task with Lebanon,Syria and Iran


listen you dont even know about your own nations history...

the sudan crisis has been around since before all this israel lebanon crap that has just recently happened. you dont even know about what is going on by your nation

400,000 black dead by arab militias....proven fact by the UN. This is widely accepted fact around the world, by the UN, U.S. and most of the world. so you cant say its one nations media lying. its a proven documented fact.

[MrLick]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3613953.stm

[Maldini]

listen you dont even know about your own nations history...

the sudan crisis has been around since before all this israel lebanon crap that has just recently happened. you dont even know about what is going on by your nation

400,000 black dead by arab militias....proven fact by the UN. This is widely accepted fact around the world, by the UN, U.S. and most of the world. so you cant say its one nations media lying. its a proven documented fact.


I know that Sudan crisis has been around before Israel/Lebanon crisis

All what I said that the USA delayed the interfere in Sudan crisis until finish from Lebanon,Syria and Iran first


You say 400,000 black by Arab miltias......like the Arab are white people.The Arab are black too and all people there are 99% Muslems.Most of who died,died from famine and starvation

[Maldini]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3613953.stm

You,show me a media controlled by the Zionist

[huntjd]

maldini... ur very angry...
if your anti-semitic, 'the jews are controlling everything' view has no proof and you refuse to accept that others have proof that prooves you wrong...
its very sad..... quite pathetic actually....

[MrLick]

You,show me a media controlled by the Zionist


I guess the zionist control everything in the world. and no one is being mass murdered in sudan...you're right. its evil zionist propaganda.

first of all you didnt even know about that, you dont even know simple facts about YOUR nations history...you dont seem to know much about anything going on in this world.