Israel / Lebanon / Iran / Syria - Middle East conflict!

[MrLick]

What???.......

Where do you get your news from then....I get mine from more than one source.....and not just from Fox News.

Look at all the articles I posted links to! And there's even more than this actually.

The Associated press (http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/12/ap2873051.html) reported this, The AFP (http://fr.news.yahoo.com/12072006/202/liban-le-hezbollah-capture-deux-soldats-israeliens-sept-autres-tues.html) reported this, the Hindustan Times (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers.html) reported this, the Bahrain News Agency (http://english.bna.bh/?ID=47348) reported this, The Deutsche Presse-Agentur (http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1180404.php/Hezbollah_back_in_the_spotlight_after_capturing_so ldiers) reported this, The Asia Times (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html) reported this, voltairenet (http://www.voltairenet.org/article142056.html) reported this. In fact every foreign media outlet reported this, yet the US media reports that the exact opposite happened.


What do you need? A statement from Olmert saying "yes, we went into Lebanon before this started and our soldiers were captured there"....?? Coz I tell you, that just aint going to happen.


your news source isnt even real, its a far left propaganda site, iwhout any facts to back up the shit they talk.

[emilien88]

I just hope that the libanese will be in peace soon, because even if there is the Hezbollah, the most part of the people there wants peace, and because there are good link between France and Lebanon, so they are as our "cousins".

And Israël has killed too many people innocent!

[GazeboflossUK]

your news source isnt even real, its a far left propaganda site, iwhout any facts to back up the shit they talk.

Not real....of course not. So...ABC News, Associated Press, Asia Times, The Deutsche Presse-Agentur.....??
Ok.

[manc_ill_kid]

because israel is not dumb, a ceasefire would only help hezbollah rebuild so they can attack again. now who in their right mind would let that happen?
You're so wrong, unbelieveably wrong.

A ceasefire wouldn't only help Hezbollah rebuild.

It would also allow the civilians, the innocent folk, who's house have been destroyed, who's families have been killed, it would help them rebuild too. And that's far more important.

[ugadawg5]

Reuters admits altering Beirut photo

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3286966,00.html

[GazeboflossUK]

Reuters.

Yep. What about all those here who say that "would rather trust Reuters on this topic"???

I said it before, Reuters is full of sheer spin and this one is so obvious it's laughable.....

[manc_ill_kid]

Reuters.

Yep. What about all those here who say that "would rather trust Reuters on this topic"???

I said it before, Reuters is full of sheer spin and this one is so obvious it's laughable.....
What the hell are you talking about? that was a link to an article that said that Reuters had suspended a dodgy photographer. The photographer they suspended was the one full of shit, not Reuters as a whole.
It only serves to improve the integrity of Reuters as a news agency.

[GazeboflossUK]

What the hell are you talking about? that was a link to an article that said that Reuters had suspended a dodgy photographer. The photographer they suspended was the one full of shit, not Reuters as a whole.
It only serves to improve the integrity of Reuters as a news agency.


Sorry...you're right.

I'm wrong.

I'd read this story on Teletext (lol) as it was announced and it had failed to mention that detail in the draft of the story.

[MrLick]

You're so wrong, unbelieveably wrong.

A ceasefire wouldn't only help Hezbollah rebuild.

It would also allow the civilians, the innocent folk, who's house have been destroyed, who's families have been killed, it would help them rebuild too. And that's far more important.


you dont understand, while the civilians are rebuilding the military of hezbollah will rebuild supply lines and re-arm. they are only there to attack israel, so they are not going to just give up when they can rebuild and attack again.

[GazeboflossUK]

Israeli pilots 'deliberately miss' targets

Fliers admit aborting raids on civilian targets as concern grows over the reliability of intelligence

Inigo Gilmore at Hatzor Air Base, Israel
Sunday August 6, 2006
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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1838437,00.html

At least two Israeli fighter pilots have deliberately missed civilian targets in Lebanon as disquiet grows in the military about flawed intelligence, The Observer has learnt. Sources say the pilots were worried that targets had been wrongly identified as Hizbollah facilities.
Voices expressing concern over the armed forces' failures are getting louder. One Israeli cabinet minister said last week: 'We gave the army so much money. Why are we getting these results?' Last week saw Hizbollah's guerrilla force, dismissed by senior Israeli military officials as 'ragtag', inflict further casualties on one of the world's most powerful armies in southern Lebanon. At least 12 elite troops, the equivalent of Britain's SAS, have already been killed, and by yesterday afternoon Israel's military death toll had climbed to 45.

As the bodies pile up, so the Israeli media has begun to turn, accusing the military of lacking the proper equipment, training and intelligence to fight a guerrilla war in Lebanon. Israel's Defence Minister, Amir Peretz, on a tour of the front lines, was confronted by troubled reserve soldiers who told him they lacked proper equipment and training.

Israel's chief of staff, Major-General Dan Halutz, had vowed to wipe out Hizbollah's missile threat within 10 days. These claims are now being mocked as rockets rain down on Israel's north with ever greater intensity, despite an intense and highly destructive air bombardment.

As one well-connected Israeli expert put it: 'If we have such good information in Lebanon, how come we still don't know the hideout of missiles and launchers?... If we don't know the location of their weapons, why should we know which house is a Hizbollah house?'

As international outrage over civilian deaths grows, the spotlight is increasingly turning on Israeli air operations. The Observer has learnt that one senior commander who has been involved in the air attacks in Lebanon has already raised concerns that some of the air force's actions might be considered 'war crimes'.

Yonatan Shapiro, a former Blackhawk helicopter pilot dismissed from reserve duty after signing a 'refusenik' letter in 2004, said he had spoken with Israeli F-16 pilots in recent days and learnt that some had aborted missions because of concerns about the reliability of intelligence information. According to Shapiro, some pilots justified aborting missions out of 'common sense' and in the context of the Israeli Defence Force's moral code of conduct, which says every effort should be made to avoiding harming civilians.

Shapiro said: 'Some pilots told me they have shot at the side of targets because they're afraid people will be there, and they don't trust any more those who give them the coordinates and targets.'

He added: 'One pilot told me he was asked to hit a house on a hill, which was supposed to be a place from where Hizbollah was launching Katyusha missiles. But he was afraid civilians were in the house, so he shot next to the house ...

'Pilots are always being told they will be judged on results, but if the results are hundreds of dead civilians while Hizbollah is still able to fire all these rockets, then something is very wrong.'

So far none of the pilots has publicly refused to fly missions but some are wobbling, according to Shapiro. He said: 'Their target could be a house firing a cannon at Israel and it could be a house full of children, so it's a real dilemma; it's not black and white. But ... I'm calling on them to refuse, in order save our country from self-destruction.'

Meron Rappoport, a former editor at the Israeli daily Haaretz and military analyst, criticised the air force's methods for selecting targets: 'The impression is that information is sometimes lacking. One squadron leader admitted the evidence used to determine attacks on cars is sometimes circumstantial - meaning that if people are in an area after Israeli forces warned them to leave, the assumption is that those left behind must be linked to Hizbollah ... This is problematic, as aid agencies have said many people did not leave ... because they could not, or it was unsafe to travel on the roads thanks to Israel's aerial bombardment.'

These revelations raise further serious questions about the airstrike in Qana last Sunday that left dozens dead, which continues to arouse international outrage. From the outset, the Israeli military's version of events has been shrouded in ambiguity, with the army releasing a video it claims shows Katyusha rockets being fired from Qana, even though the video was dated two days earlier, and claiming that more than 150 rockets had been fired from the location.

Some IDF officials have continued to refer vaguely to Katyushas being launched 'near houses' in the village and to non-specific 'terrorist activity' inside the targeted building. In a statement on Thursday, the IDF said it the air force did not know there were civilians in what they believed was an empty building, yet paradoxically blamed Hizbollah for using those killed as 'human shields'.

Human rights groups have attacked the findings as illogical. Amnesty International described the investigation as a 'whitewash', saying Israeli intelligence must have been aware of the civilians'.

One Israeli commander from a different squadron called the Qana bombing a 'mistake' and was unable to explain the apparent contradiction in the IDF's position, although he insisted there would have been no deliberate targeting of civilians. He said he had seen the video of the attack, and admitted: 'Generally they [Hizbollah] are using human shields ... That specific building - I don't know the reason it was chosen as a target.'

[MrLick]

israel has said if hezbollah gives back its soldiers it would stop. so i guess they dont want peace.

[GazeboflossUK]

Ahh, it's that simple.

[MrLick]

indeed.

[ColdMike]

if only human being wasn't so cruel, so violent... We're our own enemy...we're all violent but there, I wonder why do they fight... Ive never really understand it... Maybe I'm fool or I'll say I'm not aware about what's going on... Isn't it a fool war as the others were???

[GazeboflossUK]

Yes.

[MrLick]

every war is foolish, but thats apart of life. its apart of humanity. it sucks

[General Smut]

What i want to know is why havent people noticed that this an Israel-Hisbollah conflict being fought in Lebabon and that the Lebabnese army seems to be doing nothing.

Bit odd isnt it? their country is being attacked and theyre not doing much. One can only come to the following conclusions
a) they are all pansys.
b) they've been destroyed ( which i'm sure we wouldve heard about)
c) The government dont want Hisbollah to survive.
d) other-

[manc_ill_kid]

What i want to know is why havent people noticed that this an Israel-Hisbollah conflict being fought in Lebabon and that the Lebabnese army seems to be doing nothing.

Bit odd isnt it? their country is being attacked and theyre not doing much. One can only come to the following conclusions
a) they are all pansys.
b) they've been destroyed ( which i'm sure we wouldve heard about)
c) The government dont want Hisbollah to survive.
d) other-
I understand that before tis conflict Hezbollah had the support of between 20% and 30% of the Lebanese people. Ordering the army to attack them would be akin to starting a civil war.

Hezbollah aren't the enemy of the Lebanese people. In many cases they provide healthcare and education where the Lebanese government is unable to.

But I understand from BBC Radio4 this morning that the Lebanese government have passed a law now forbidding armed millitias in Lebanon, so the only people allowed to bear arms are the Lebanese army. In the longer term this could mean the end of the millitant wing of Hezbollah.

But in the short term its an ironic slap in the face for America and their consitution that says everyone has the right to bear arms as part of a millitia.

Aw man, I think I just misunderstood your message.

I guess the Lebanese army aren't really up to much.

[huntjd]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Hizbollah have just announced suprise suprise that they target Israeli civilians!
should we criticise hizbollah or continue to put israel on trial?

[manc_ill_kid]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Hizbollah have just announced suprise suprise that they target Israeli civilians!
should we criticise hizbollah or continue to put israel on trial?We ought to continue to put Israel on trial AND Hezbollah. Neatly bearing in mind that Israel have killed ten times as many civilians than Hezbollah during the past four weeks.

[coldplaying]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Hizbollah have just announced suprise suprise that they target Israeli civilians!
should we criticise hizbollah or continue to put israel on trial?

this post is too much biassed imo... just try to be more objective...israeli attacks should be criticised along with hizbollah's attacks..

[huntjd]

thats the thing... i know im biased. but no one ever critises hizbollah do they?!
i'm just trying to raise awareness that there are two sides of the conflict in the middle east.

and wtf is 'imo'?

[coldplaying]

"in my opinion" :-)

i don't read this thread regularly but what i have seen so far is the discussion is continuing two-sided...there are people/opinions from each side...

[huntjd]

yeah... thats always the case in the middle east.
its just unfair when the opposite side refuses to see that the two sides together influenece what happen over there, not just one of them...
anyway i'm goin to bed now. its late.

[coldplaying]

ok..good night :-)

[MrLick]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Hizbollah have just announced suprise suprise that they target Israeli civilians!
should we criticise hizbollah or continue to put israel on trial?


lets go after the jews, we cant break thousands of years of hating them, it would be just wrong.

[GazeboflossUK]

Both sides are doing this.....they both need to stop.

[MrLick]

israel has a right to go until it destroys hizbollah.

[GazeboflossUK]

No it doesn't have the right. That means it will go on forever.

What an awful attitude.

[MrLick]

a nation has a right to defend itself when attacked.

[GazeboflossUK]

It does.

But we all know very well that it's all that simple.

[MrLick]

You say it does, but you dont mean it.

[GazeboflossUK]

Ok.....I don't mean it.....:(



Hmmm, how strange.

[MrLick]

you say a nation has a right to defend itself when attacked, yet you dont think israel has that right?

[GazeboflossUK]

Giving the mainstream what they deserve.

Galloway wipes the floor with Sky News anchor

VIDEO HERE (http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/08/galloway-wipes-floor-with-sky-news.html)

The Truth Will Set You Free | August 8 2006 (http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/08/galloway-wipes-floor-with-sky-news.html)

Sky News anchor: Joining me now is a man who’s not known for sitting on the fence. He passionately opposed the invasion of Iraq and now he feels that Hizbullah is justified in attacking Israel. The Respect MP for Bethnel Green is in our London studio. A very good evening, uh good morning to you Mr. Galloway. How do you JUSTIFY your support for Hizbullah and its leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah?

She might as well have punched him in the face and handed him a gun.

Galloway (laughing): What a preposterous way to introduce an item and what a preposterous first question. Twenty four years ago, on the day my daughter was born and I’ve just celebrated her 24th birthday, I had to dash to the maternity hospital to see her giving birth from a mass demonstration in London against the Israeli invasion and occupation of Lebanon. Israel has been invading and occupying Lebanon all of my 24yr old daughter’s life. The Hizbullah are a part of the national resistance who are trying to drive, having successfully driven most Israelis from their land in 2000, Israel from the rest of their land and to get back those thousands of Lebanese prisoners who were kidnapped by Israel under the terms of their illegal occupation of Lebanon.

It’s Israel that’s invading Lebanon. It’s Israel that’s attacking Lebanon. Not Lebanon that’s attacking Israel. You’ve just been carrying a report of 10 Israeli soldiers on the border getting ready to invade Lebanon and you ask us to mourn that operation as if it were some kind of war crime. Israel has invaded Lebanon and has killed thirty times more Lebanese . . .

[she tries to interrupt him “you put your finger on the button didn’t you?”]

. . . than have died in Israel. So, it’s YOU who should be JUSTIFYING the evident bias which is written on EVERY line of your face and is in EVERY nuance of your voice and is loaded in EVERY question that you ask.

WOW!!! And believe it or not – you aint seen nothing yet. This interview ends with a real bang. Galloway cuts straight to the core.

To say that he wiped the floor with her actually minimizes the damage he inflicted on this woman’s ego. By the end of this interview, she was either suicidal or homicidal.

Serves her right for selling her soul for a paltry price.

[MrLick]

wow that guys a tool. Galloway is an idiot. israel was leaving lebanon alone and they attacked and israel is the one at fault. thats alot of bullshit.

[GazeboflossUK]

You think your right but....sadly your not.

That's what should be happening all over the world.....everyones fed this shit by the mainstream everyday....EVERYDAY they get away with lying ALL THE TIME....people seem to think that because it's on TV then it's what is going on...IT'S COMPLETELY HIJACKED NEWS!!

Very rarely is a story broadcast that is actually doing ANY good.....

[MrLick]

not really, besides being on the wrong side during this israel conflict the mainstrea media isnt as bad as your source. the media is doing all it can to make israel look bad in this conflict..its sad.

[GazeboflossUK]

HA! What a joke!

What a complete and utter joke.

My god it's frightening here sometimes.

[MrLick]

the media is attacking israel, making them looking like the bad guys. in some cases doctoring photo's to make damage look worse. it sick

[GazeboflossUK]

Well, it's all fair in War right? anything goes??? By your logic, right?....because you say that alot. No , it shouldn't have been edited...but...

One guy edits his photo's...and "The media is attacking Israel!!! Oh no!!!"

That's ONE MAN.

When we all know very well that is not the case widespread.

[MrLick]

its more then one man, its most of the media......

[Maldini]

israel has a right to go until it destroys hizbollah.


I think you mean,Israel has a right to go until it kill more civilians and destroy Lebanon

[Maldini]

the media is attacking israel, making them looking like the bad guys. in some cases doctoring photo's to make damage look worse. it sick


The media making them looking like the bad guys,oh no there aren't any right to media to do that.They are Angels;)

[ugadawg5]

I think you mean,Israel has a right to go until it kill more civilians and destroy Lebanon

Lebanon is where Hizbollah happens to operate from. if Hizbollah was operating and firing rockets out of Iran into Israel, Israel would be bombing Iran and leaving Lebanon alone.

Israel is not trying to kill men, women, and children. Hizbollah cowers behind the people of Lebanon to avoid Israeli retaliation.

Hizbollah aims their rockets at residential areas filled with neighborhoods and schools; their goal is to kill all Israeli's , from 4-year-old girls to 80-year-old men.

Israel has killed civilians inadvertantly while targeting Hizbollah, but it must protect its people from the cowardly rocket attacks launched by Hizbollah.

[Maldini]

Lebanon is where Hizbollah happens to operate from. if Hizbollah was operating and firing rockets out of Iran into Israel, Israel would be bombing Iran and leaving Lebanon alone.

Israel is not trying to kill men, women, and children. Hizbollah cowers behind the people of Lebanon to avoid Israeli retaliation.

Hizbollah aims their rockets at residential areas filled with neighborhoods and schools; their goal is to kill all Israeli's , from 4-year-old girls to 80-year-old men.

Israel has killed civilians inadvertantly while targeting Hizbollah, but it must protect its people from the cowardly rocket attacks launched by Hizbollah.

If Israel really targeted Hezbollah,so why bombing the bridges,cities and roads

I think Hezbollah not a cowered as you say.Remember who lunched the rockets on civilians first.Remember who doing the massacres.Remember who all his fighting by aircraft but in land with the all technological weapons against people fight by old weapons can't make any progress.Then you will know who is the cowered

[ugadawg5]

"If Israel really targeted Hezbollah,so why bombing the bridges,cities and roads"

To cut off the supply lines which Syria and Iran use to transfer weapons, rockets, and supplies to Hezbollah. Not that difficult to figure out. Simple military logic.

[ugadawg5]

"I think Hezbollah not a cowered as you say.Remember who lunched the rockets on civilians first.Remember who doing the massacres.Remember who all his fighting by aircraft but in land with the all technological weapons against people fight by old weapons can't make any progress.Then you will know who is the cowered"

Why don't you document these "massacres", provide evidence to back up your claim. Speaking in generalities will get you nowhere. I have no idea what you are talking about.

So it's unfair that Israel is using technology to fight Hezbollah? Would you rather have one laser-guided bomb targeting Hizbollah locations, or have Israeli planes carpet bomb Lebanon using unguided bombs, greatly increasing collateral damage and civilian casualties? Technology on the battlefield saves civilian lives. You really have no good counter-arguement. I'm betting it is because you are on the wrong side of the moral argument regarding this conflict.

You can't refute that Hizbollah goes after innocent men, women and children, while Israel is targeting Hizbollah forces only. You make general statements about massacres, but provide no evidence to back them up. Hizbollah are cowards and have NO REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE and DO NOT WANT PEACE.

[Maldini]

"If Israel really targeted Hezbollah,so why bombing the bridges,cities and roads"

To cut off the supply lines which Syria and Iran use to transfer weapons, rockets, and supplies to Hezbollah. Not that difficult to figure out. Simple military logic.


So, supplies convoy for the displaced include that military logic

Destroying houses of civilians people include that military logic

Killing 950 civilians and injured 3400 include that military logic

[ugadawg5]

So, supplies convoy for the displaced include that military logic

Destroying houses of civilians people include that military logic

Killing 950 civilians and injured 3400 include that military logic

Taking out supply lines that Syria and Iran use to resupply Hizbollah will shorten this war by weakening Hizbollah so that they can be destroyed before they kill any more innocent men, women, and children, which they are targeting.

Just remember Maldini, if Hizbollah had not abducted Israeli soldiers who were minding their own business, there would be no war and no civilian casualties.

[Maldini]

Why don't you document these "massacres", provide evidence to back up your claim. Speaking in generalities will get you nowhere. I have no idea what you are talking about.

So it's unfair that Israel is using technology to fight Hezbollah? Would you rather have one laser-guided bomb targeting Hizbollah locations, or have Israeli planes carpet bomb Lebanon using unguided bombs, greatly increasing collateral damage and civilian casualties? Technology on the battlefield saves civilian lives. You really have no good counter-arguement. I'm betting it is because you are on the wrong side of the moral argument regarding this conflict.

You can't refute that Hizbollah goes after innocent men, women and children, while Israel is targeting Hizbollah forces only. You make general statements about massacres, but provide no evidence to back them up. Hizbollah are cowards and have NO REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE and DO NOT WANT PEACE.[/quote]


At first,it's a debate so there is no counter-argument.I just explain my point of view.If you want to consider it like a counter-argument,as you like but I will not

About documents as a proof for what I say.It's everywhere and you can find it [ just if you want to find it ] and I think you didn't want see it,maybe you see it but you ignore it

If Hezbollah targeting Israeli civilians,just take a look and see how many civilians died each side and you will know

[ugadawg5]

"I think you didn't want see it,maybe you see it but you ignore it"

I asked for the documentation and I'm still waiting.

"If Hezbollah targeting Israeli civilians,just take a look and see how many civilians died each side and you will know"

The intent of each side is the important factor. I would deduce from this little back-and-forth that you are less than a celebrant of Israel and Jews in general, thus it does not bother you that Hizbollah wants every one of them dead.

Maybe you should make your way up to Lebanon and help your friends in Hizbollah. I hear they are looking for new recruits to fire rockets into Israel.

[Maldini]

Taking out supply lines that Syria and Iran use to resupply Hizbollah will shorten this war by weakening Hizbollah so that they can be destroyed before they kill any more innocent men, women, and children, which they are targeting.

Just remember Maldini, if Hizbollah had not abducted Israeli soldiers who were minding their own business, there would be no war and no civilian casualties.

Yes,Israel kill civilians people and say [ there was Hezbollah fighers among them ]

Destroy supplies convoy and say [ It's a supplies for Hezbollah]

Always laying

Are you kidding me,those soldiers captured no abducted

The proplem not from month ago,it from more than 20 years ago
Just take a looke the history again

[MrLick]

If Israel really targeted Hezbollah,so why bombing the bridges,cities and roads

I think Hezbollah not a cowered as you say.Remember who lunched the rockets on civilians first.Remember who doing the massacres.Remember who all his fighting by aircraft but in land with the all technological weapons against people fight by old weapons can't make any progress.Then you will know who is the cowered

because iran and syria are supplying them, so they must take out the supply routes.

[ugadawg5]

"Are you kidding me,those soldiers captured no abducted"

captured? Hizbollah dug a tunnel INTO Israel and abducted the soldiers, took them OUT of Israel through the tunnel. What part of that is not abducted?

[MrLick]

Yes,Israel kill civilians people and say [ there was Hezbollah fighers among them ]

Destroy supplies convoy and say [ It's a supplies for Hezbollah]

Always laying

Are you kidding me,those soldiers captured no abducted

The proplem not from month ago,it from more than 20 years ago
Just take a looke the history again

hezbollah started it, they had no need to mess with israel. israel wasnt bothering them until they attacked...the brought this war upon themselves and are the ones hiding in civilian population so that israel kills more innocent people so they can hurt israel politicaly.they are the true enemies of the lebanese, without them lebanon would be in peace right now.

[Maldini]

"I think you didn't want see it,maybe you see it but you ignore it"

I asked for the documentation and I'm still waiting.

"If Hezbollah targeting Israeli civilians,just take a look and see how many civilians died each side and you will know"

The intent of each side is the important factor. I would deduce from this little back-and-forth that you are less than a celebrant of Israel and Jews in general, thus it does not bother you that Hizbollah wants every one of them dead.

Maybe you should make your way up to Lebanon and help your friends in Hizbollah. I hear they are looking for new recruits to fire rockets into Israel.

About the documents,I told you can find it and I'm not responsible to bring it to you

Heabollah wants everyone of them dead........No,they just want their rights

[MrLick]

About the documents,I told you can find it and I'm not responsible to bring it to you

Heabollah wants everyone of them dead........No,they just want their rights

hezbollah has said and so has iran it wants to kill jews and to destroy israel...... thats ok to you?

hezbollah was fine in lebanon, enjoying its freedom without israel messing with them, they provoked an attack by attacking first. if they simply wanted their rights they would have left israel alone and they would have their rights. so they dont want to enjoy their "rights" they want israel gone. otherwise they wouldnt have attacked.

[Maldini]

hezbollah started it, they had no need to mess with israel. israel wasnt bothering them until they attacked...the brought this war upon themselves and are the ones hiding in civilian population so that israel kills more innocent people so they can hurt israel politicaly.they are the true enemies of the lebanese, without them lebanon would be in peace right now.


I will say again [ look back 20 years ago ] and you will know who started it

[Maldini]

hezbollah has said and so has iran it wants to kill jews and to destroy israel...... thats ok to you?

hezbollah was fine in lebanon, enjoying its freedom without israel messing with them, they provoked an attack by attacking first. if they simply wanted their rights they would have left israel alone and they would have their rights

Hezbollah was able to destroy the chemical factories but they didn't because they have a moral knights and this morals I didn't think that Israeli army have it

Iran said that want to destroy Israel if Israel attack Iran and for what Israel doing

[MrLick]

I will say again [ look back 20 years ago ] and you will know who started it


but israel was leaving them ALONE. now not 20 years ago. all would be fine if they didnt attack....they had peace but they broke it so they could destroy israel.

[MrLick]

Hezbollah was able to destroy the chemical factories but they didn't because they have a moral knights and this morals I didn't think that Israeli army have it

Iran said that want to destroy Israel if Israel attack Iran and for what Israel doing


Iran has said it wants israel GONE. not if they attack, but they want them gone no matter what.....you really dont know much about this subject. its not about if israel attacks, they want them gone no matter what if they attack or if they dont, iran has made this quite clear.

[Maldini]

"Are you kidding me,those soldiers captured no abducted"

captured? Hizbollah dug a tunnel INTO Israel and abducted the soldiers, took them OUT of Israel through the tunnel. What part of that is not abducted?

It's still called captured

Abducted for civilians

[Maldini]

but israel was leaving them ALONE. now not 20 years ago. all would be fine if they didnt attack....they had peace but they broke it so they could destroy israel.

What you mean by leaving them alone

[MrLick]

it makes no difference what it is called. its the same thing, they provoked an attack....in a peace time and started this sad war.

[Maldini]

Iran has said it wants israel GONE. not if they attack, but they want them gone no matter what.....you really dont know much about this subject. its not about if israel attacks, they want them gone no matter what if they attack or if they dont, iran has made this quite clear.


Read all what I wright

I said also [ and for what Israel doing ]

[MrLick]

Read all what I wright

I said also [ and for what Israel doing ]


israel tries to mind its own bussiness and keeps getting attacked because all the muslims leaders want all the jews gone and dead....israel has a right to defend itself. even israel doesnt want to wipe iran off the map, even though all the trouble its causing.

[Maldini]

it makes no difference what it is called. its the same thing, they provoked an attack....in a peace time and started this sad war.


No there was a big difference

Hezbollah have a right to captured

Hezbollah haven't a right to abducted or kidnaped a civilians

[ugadawg5]

Mr. Cool, I would advise you to let this go. Maldini is a brainwashed individual who cannot see what a bloodthirsty and cowardly organization Hizbollah is, and it is clear that he has no sympathy for the dignified state of Israel.

[MrLick]

No there was a big difference

Hezbollah have a right to captured

Hezbollah haven't a right to abducted or kidnaped a civilians

they have a right ot go across the border and steal soldiers? in peace time?

[MrLick]

so would israel have the right to sneak into YOUR nation and steal some soldiers?

[Maldini]

israel tries to mind its own bussiness and keeps getting attacked because all the muslims leaders want all the jews gone and dead....israel has a right to defend itself. even israel doesnt want to wipe iran off the map, even though all the trouble its causing.


Did you ask yourself,why the Arabs [ Muslims and Christians ] attacking Israel?


Don't say because the Anti-Semitism
I get bored from this word

[MrLick]

Did you ask yourself,why the Arabs [ Muslims and Christians ] attacking Israel?


Don't say because the Anti-Semitism
I get bored from this word

Yes and its boils down to alot of things. being taught since childbirth that all jews want to drink your blood and steal your land(ive heard so many people who have grown up in arab nations tell stories about htis being taught to them as children) nazism spread like wild fire in the middle east and was never defeated like it was in europe. its boils down to hatred of them because they are jewish. its truly sad, all israel wants is to be left alone, but since DAY FUCKING ONE its been under attack by the arab world, mostly muslims extremist.

[Maldini]

they have a right ot go across the border and steal soldiers? in peace time?

Is there any peace treaty between Hezbollah or Lebanon with Israel

I think,no

Because the proplem didn't solved

[Maldini]

so would israel have the right to sneak into YOUR nation and steal some soldiers?


No,there is a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel

[MrLick]

Is there any peace treaty between Hezbollah or Lebanon with Israel

I think,no

Because the proplem didn't solved


THEY WERENT IN A WAR! there was no war going on. so by your reasoning its ok for anyone to go into a nation and take soldiers? like i said if israel did that to your nation wouldnt you be pissed? would they have a right to do that?

[MrLick]

No,there is a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel

so...in both cases there was no war, israel was no at war with lebanon and hezbollah like its not at war with Egypt....so it would be the same.

[Maldini]

Yes and its boils down to alot of things. being taught since childbirth that all jews want to drink your blood and steal your land(ive heard so many people who have grown up in arab nations tell stories about htis being taught to them as children) nazism spread like wild fire in the middle east and was never defeated like it was in europe. its boils down to hatred of them because they are jewish. its truly sad, all israel wants is to be left alone, but since DAY FUCKING ONE its been under attack by the arab world, mostly muslims extremist.


You always saying Jews and I always saying Israel because there are big difference


See what Israel doing since 1948 and you will know why children tell that about Israel

[Maldini]

THEY WERENT IN A WAR! there was no war going on. so by your reasoning its ok for anyone to go into a nation and take soldiers? like i said if israel did that to your nation wouldnt you be pissed? would they have a right to do that?


No war between Lebanon and Israel

So what about the withdraw of Israel form the south of Lebanon on 2000

[MrLick]

You always saying Jews and I always saying Israel because there are big difference


See what Israel doing since 1948 and you will know children tell that about Israel


israel is the one who keeps getting attacked. like the second day of being a nation they were attacked. arab kids are being brainwashed, being told jews want to drink their blood....C'MON! you know thats bullshit. this only a case of the people being bullied having a chance to fight back. the jews have been bullied by europe and by the muslim world, now they finally have a chance to defend themselves......nothing wrong with that. you've been brainwashed. thinking the jews are the big evil ones here, not true, what are worse is the arab goverments who kill their own people and keep them from freedom......if they would leave israel alone they wouldnt have any problems with them, but they KEEP ATTACKING and provoking attacks...its their own damn fault. if they want peace they could easily have it, but they wont leave israe alone long enough for that.

why? because they want all the jews gone....they've said it many times, the arab leaders.

[MrLick]

this whole conflict boils down to the arab nations and muslim leaders wanting the jews out of their region.....simple hatred.

[Maldini]

so...in both cases there was no war, israel was no at war with lebanon and hezbollah like its not at war with Egypt....so it would be the same.


What you saying,there is no war between Egypt and Israel

You are really didn't read the history

What about occupation of Sinai
What abot October War

[MrLick]

how do you explain this, when jews first started migrating back in the late 1800's BUYING LAND they were under attack by muslims all the time? an intafalda was issued by the grand mufti in the early 1900's to kill the jews.....it boils down to hatred and the muslim leaders wanting the jews gone. thats why when they first start getting their over 100 years ago they were under attack by muslims.

[MrLick]

What you saying,there is no war between Egypt and Israel

You are really didn't read the history

What about occupation of Sinai
What abot October War

THERE IS NO CURRENT war with egypt and israel, like their was no current war with lebanon and hezbollah til they attacked....

there was war in the past but not in recent times......

[Maldini]

israel is the one who keeps getting attacked. like the second day of being a nation they were attacked. arab kids are being brainwashed, being told jews want to drink their blood....C'MON! you know thats bullshit. this only a case of the people being bullied having a chance to fight back. the jews have been bullied by europe and by the muslim world, now they finally have a chance to defend themselves......nothing wrong with that. you've been brainwashed. thinking the jews are the big evil ones here, not true, what are worse is the arab goverments who kill their own people and keep them from freedom......if they would leave israel alone they wouldnt have any problems with them, but they KEEP ATTACKING and provoking attacks...its their own damn fault. if they want peace they could easily have it, but they wont leave israe alone long enough for that.

why? because they want all the jews gone....they've said it many times, the arab leaders.

I will till you again

Did you ask yourself why the Arabs boiling from Israel and why all this hate?

[MrLick]

you see since the jews first started moving back to israel before statehood, when they bought land they were under attack by muslims in that area......this goes back to that. when they first got there they were attacked...they didnt start shit. dont go toe to toe with me on history, i know my shit.

[MrLick]

I will till you again

Did you ask yourself why the Arabs boiling from Israel and why all this hate?

simple hatred....the same reason why they attacked and killed and tried to drive out the jews in the late 1800's and early 1900's. the extremist muslim leaders hate them and dont want them there. otherwise they would have NEVER attacked in the first place.

[Maldini]

this whole conflict boils down to the arab nations and muslim leaders wanting the jews out of their region.....simple hatred.


So,do you think that the Arabs have a right to take the Israel people out of the Arab region?

[MrLick]

So,do you think that the Arabs have a right to take the Israel people out of the Arab region?

no, they dont have a right, just like israel would never have a right to take arabs out of that region...

[Maldini]

how do you explain this, when jews first started migrating back in the late 1800's BUYING LAND they were under attack by muslims all the time? an intafalda was issued by the grand mufti in the early 1900's to kill the jews.....it boils down to hatred and the muslim leaders wanting the jews gone. thats why when they first start getting their over 100 years ago they were under attack by muslims.

Do you know why the grand mufti said that?

Because he figured out the Israel plan to occupation this land

[MrLick]

the grand muftis before israel was formed, called for interfada's(spelling) against the jews...the jews got there and were attacked for no reason.....

[Maldini]

simple hatred....the same reason why they attacked and killed and tried to drive out the jews in the late 1800's and early 1900's. the extremist muslim leaders hate them and dont want them there. otherwise they would have NEVER attacked in the first place.

I told you because the grand mufti figured out the Israeli plan for the occupation

[MrLick]

Do you know why the grand mufti said that?

Because he figured out the Israel plan to occupation this land

you do understand this was in the 1920's WAY before israel was formed or being thought of formed....it had nothing to do with that. there was NO ISRAEL at that time.... so it wasnt because of israel plan to occupy the land.

[MrLick]

it was hatred....because their was no israel or even anyone wanting to create one....at that point in time.

[Maldini]

no, they dont have a right, just like israel would never have a right to take arabs out of that region...


Why,you said by yourself it's a Arab region so there no right to establish a country on the others region,right

[MrLick]

http://www.aynrand.org/site/DocServer/israel_sept_2002.pdf?docID=164

[Maldini]

the grand muftis before israel was formed, called for interfada's(spelling) against the jews...the jews got there and were attacked for no reason.....

No,there are a reason

The Israeli people were make a plan to occupation this land

[MrLick]

Why,you said by yourself it's a Arab region so there no right to establish a country on the others region,right


No, they had a right to legally and moraly. since there was no nation of palestine there. infact untitl the great migration of the jews in the late 1800's. there was hardly anyone in that land, many arabs migrated their after thousands of jews set up towns and set up infrastructure. so many arabs came to that region because of the huge jewish migration brought oppurtunities for work.

[MrLick]

No,there are a reason

The Israeli people were make a plan to occupation this land

Ok understand this, THERE WAS ISRAEL AT THE TIME OR ANY PLANS ON HAVING ISRAEL CONTROL THAT REGION. this was PRE ISRAEL...get that through your head..ok!!!!!!! it has NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL, BECAUSE ISRAEL DID NOT EXIST AT THAT TIME....geez.

[Maldini]

THERE IS NO CURRENT war with egypt and israel, like their was no current war with lebanon and hezbollah til they attacked....

there was war in the past but not in recent times......


Yes, after Israel withdraw from the south of Lebanon the problems didn't solved so there is no peace treaty and it's mean the situation still standing

With Egypt,the problem solved and there was peace treaty

[MrLick]

"palestine" was a barren land before the huge amount of jews migrated their and bought land and brought infrastructure....thats why many arabs migrated their in the early 1900's..before that their werent many people in that region.

[MrLick]

Yes, after Israel withdraw from the south of Lebanon the problems didn't solved so there is no peace treaty and it's mean the situation still standing

With Egypt,the problem solved and there was peace treaty

yes, BUT THEY WERE NOT STILL AT WAR WITH LEBANON OR HEZBOLLAH.... it was peace time......understand that simple fact please, their was no fighting or war at the time they kidnapped the soldiers

[Maldini]

you do understand this was in the 1920's WAY before israel was formed or being thought of formed....it had nothing to do with that. there was NO ISRAEL at that time.... so it wasnt because of israel plan to occupy the land.


The Israel people bought this landing to make it as a base for the war [ War 1948] this is the plan

[MrLick]

ok basic history for you ...jews migrated and bought land legally in the late 1800's and early 1900's and they set up infrastructure and made lots of towns, thus making jobs for arabs to have so they migrated to that region in large numbers....then the grand mufti wanted the jews gone so he declared a holly war on them, TO STEAL THEIR LAND, the jews land that they bought legally. this all goes back to jews coming their peacefuly only to be attacked....they did not start this conflict that has been going on for almost 100 years.

[MrLick]

The Israel people bought this landing to make it as a base for the war [ War 1948] this is the plan


how? because the 1948 WAS STARTED BY ARAB NATIONS! israel didnt attack anyone, they were attacked after becoming a nation. BUT THAT IS BESIDES THE POINT. there WAS NO ISRAEL OR PLANS FOR ISRAEL AT THE TIME A INTAFALDA WAS DECLARED BY THE GRAND MUFTI....SO IT WAS NOT FOR A BASE FOR WAR, THAT IS WHAT YOU'VE BEEN taught to be brainwashed...

[Maldini]

No, they had a right to legally and moraly. since there was no nation of palestine there. infact untitl the great migration of the jews in the late 1800's. there was hardly anyone in that land, many arabs migrated their after thousands of jews set up towns and set up infrastructure. so many arabs came to that region because of the huge jewish migration brought oppurtunities for work.

They had a right leagally and moraly,how?

Are you trying to change the history?

There was an Arab people live thier and there was Palestine

[MrLick]

your goverment, schools and religious leaders have kept history from you....

[MrLick]

They had a right leagally and moraly,how?

Are you trying to change the history?

There was an Arab people live thier and there was Palestine

Not many, the majority of arabs came there AFTER israel set up a healthy infrastructure which brought lots of work for people......and there was never a palesetinian state.... you dont know history, its been kept from you

[MrLick]

thats what im trying to show, the jew migration brought alot of arabs to that region, the jews came their peacefuly and BOUGHT land and were under constant attack by muslims...because of the grand mufti's of that time....they werent conquering land or stealing it, they were BUYING IT, and they were attacked for being jewish.

[MrLick]

here is my point out of all of this'

the jews came their legally and peacefuly starting in the 1800's and were attacked because they were jewish...they were attacked, thats where this whole mess started.

[Maldini]

Ok understand this, THERE WAS ISRAEL AT THE TIME OR ANY PLANS ON HAVING ISRAEL CONTROL THAT REGION. this was PRE ISRAEL...get that through your head..ok!!!!!!! it has NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL, BECAUSE ISRAEL DID NOT EXIST AT THAT TIME....geez.

I think when you prepare to make something,surely it dosen't exist but after you finish your work.It exist

The same with Israel,they are prepare to estabish it and surely there isn't anything called Israel [ so why they get prepared to establish it ] but after they finished their mission Israel exist.Do you understand

[Maldini]

"palestine" was a barren land before the huge amount of jews migrated their and bought land and brought infrastructure....thats why many arabs migrated their in the early 1900's..before that their werent many people in that region.


No there was many Arab live there at this time

[MrLick]

I think when you prepare to make something,surely it dosen't exist but after you finish your work.It exist

The same with Israel,they are prepare to estabish it and surely there isn't anything called Israel [ so why they get prepared to establish it ] but after they finished their mission Israel exist.Do you understand


They migrated their peacefuly and legally and were attacked because they are jewish. do you understand this? they didnt start an israel in that time or try to, they were buying land away from the anti semetism in europe, LEGALLY and they were attacked and killed for being jewish because the religious leaders said to do it.

are you defending the grand mufti's attacks no them?

[Maldini]

yes, BUT THEY WERE NOT STILL AT WAR WITH LEBANON OR HEZBOLLAH.... it was peace time......understand that simple fact please, their was no fighting or war at the time they kidnapped the soldiers


Who said there was peace time,is there any treaty saying that or agreement

No

The stoped of fighting didn't mean the end of the war

[MrLick]

No there was many Arab live there at this time

british history showed and talked about palestine being very barren in that time period. there was not many people living in that region, but once the jews settled it the population grew and more and more arabs migrated....you cant argue with history...

[Maldini]

ok basic history for you ...jews migrated and bought land legally in the late 1800's and early 1900's and they set up infrastructure and made lots of towns, thus making jobs for arabs to have so they migrated to that region in large numbers....then the grand mufti wanted the jews gone so he declared a holly war on them, TO STEAL THEIR LAND, the jews land that they bought legally. this all goes back to jews coming their peacefuly only to be attacked....they did not start this conflict that has been going on for almost 100 years.


So, why Israeli people if they bought this lands with goodwill

Why they announced the state of Israel

[MrLick]

"Arabs privately owned somewhere between 1% and 22% of the land in Palestine before 1948, depending on the meaning of the word "most" in the sentence above. The other "Arab" land was not owned by them, but was leased conditionally from the British.

In other worlds, it is even possible that Jews owned more land than Arabs did before the 1948 war!

This discounts the fact that the British tried very hard to stop Jews from buying and privatizing land - if it wasn't for that, Jews would undoubtably have come to privately own much more. Even so, it is an illuminating fact amongst the rhetoric."

[MrLick]

So, why Israeli people if they bought this lands with goodwill

Why they announced the state of Israel


israel wasnt a state until way way way after the grand mufti declared war on the jews

[Maldini]

how? because the 1948 WAS STARTED BY ARAB NATIONS! israel didnt attack anyone, they were attacked after becoming a nation. BUT THAT IS BESIDES THE POINT. there WAS NO ISRAEL OR PLANS FOR ISRAEL AT THE TIME A INTAFALDA WAS DECLARED BY THE GRAND MUFTI....SO IT WAS NOT FOR A BASE FOR WAR, THAT IS WHAT YOU'VE BEEN taught to be brainwashed...


The Arab attacked Israel after the announce of the state

[MrLick]

israel was formed legally.....they were again attaked by the arab world for being jewish

[MrLick]

The Arab attacked Israel after the announce of the state

Do you listen? the grand mufti declared war on the jews in the early 1920's way before israel. when it was under british control....they were attacked first by the muslims there because of the grand mufti

[MrLick]

what im showing is the muslim's attacked the jews when alot of them came there back in the 1920's way before israel.....you see to show they were attacked first and when the finaly got their own nation, legally they were attacked again.

[MrLick]

you were taught they stole arab land, when in fact alot of the land they got was british land, arabs only owned between 1% and 22% of the land in Palestine before 1948


In other worlds, it is even possible that Jews owned more land than Arabs did before the 1948 war!

[Maldini]

Not many, the majority of arabs came there AFTER israel set up a healthy infrastructure which brought lots of work for people......and there was never a palesetinian state.... you dont know history, its been kept from you


No,it's not kept from me

Can you tell me,why all Jews choose Palestine to migration to it and make all this infrstructure

All Jews migrated to Palistine [ not normal thing ]

[Maldini]

here is my point out of all of this'

the jews came their legally and peacefuly starting in the 1800's and were attacked because they were jewish...they were attacked, thats where this whole mess started.

No,the Jews came with badwill,so the Arab fighting them

[MrLick]

No,it's not kept from me

Can you tell me,why all Jews choose Palestine to migration to it and make all this infrstructure

All Jews migrated to Palistine [ not normal thing ]


to get away from being killed and hated in europe. some came to go back to the holly land, but like i said, they didnt steal much arab land, they bought most the land. and then when israel was formed, it was legaly because the arabs only owned between 1% and 22% of the land. they did NOTHING illegal or immoral...they were the victims of attacks before they had a nation and after they had one.

[MrLick]

No,the Jews came with badwill,so the Arab fighting them


really? what badwill? they didnt come there and attack anyone...so being peaceful is badwill? they brought infrastructure to that region and lots of work for arabs...so is that the badwill they had??? you have been taught they came with badwill, when they came peacefuly and LEGALLY and brought work for many arabs.....and were in turn attacked because of that.

there could be a palestine right now and peace...but the muslims have attacked them since they got there and wont stop because they want all the jews gone. its their own damn fault they dont have peace. the jews came there peacefuly and were attacked because they were jewish.....its not their fault

[Maldini]

They migrated their peacefuly and legally and were attacked because they are jewish. do you understand this? they didnt start an israel in that time or try to, they were buying land away from the anti semetism in europe, LEGALLY and they were attacked and killed for being jewish because the religious leaders said to do it.

are you defending the grand mufti's attacks no them?


I think it's illegal to establish a country on onther on by force

I think after WW2 there wasn't any Anti-Semitism.It's an idea to support there illegal action

Yes I defending the grand mufti

[MrLick]

IT WASNT BY FORCE! you defend a man who had a holly war done on people who legally move to an area by him? you're sick. truly a pathetic person;

you're a racist.

[MrLick]

if i use your reasoning, i would have the right to kill any muslim or arab that moved by me!

[Maldini]

british history showed and talked about palestine being very barren in that time period. there was not many people living in that region, but once the jews settled it the population grew and more and more arabs migrated....you cant argue with history...


Britain told that to hidden there illegal decleration

[MrLick]

IT WAS THEIR FUCKING LAND. they can help creat a jewish state if they want to. you're a racist.

[MrLick]

its like me supporting the kkk hanging black people...its sick....its no different then that.

[Maldini]

"Arabs privately owned somewhere between 1% and 22% of the land in Palestine before 1948, depending on the meaning of the word "most" in the sentence above. The other "Arab" land was not owned by them, but was leased conditionally from the British.

In other worlds, it is even possible that Jews owned more land than Arabs did before the 1948 war!

This discounts the fact that the British tried very hard to stop Jews from buying and privatizing land - if it wasn't for that, Jews would undoubtably have come to privately own much more. Even so, it is an illuminating fact amongst the rhetoric."


What you talking about?

How Arab owned between 1% and 22% of the land in Palestine?

[MrLick]

What you talking about?

How Arab owned between 1% and 22% of the land in Palestine?


british records show that....... that means up to the other 88% of that land was british and jewish owned land...you dont know your history

[Maldini]

israel wasnt a state until way way way after the grand mufti declared war on the jews

Wrong

You mean after they get ready for the war

[Maldini]

Do you listen? the grand mufti declared war on the jews in the early 1920's way before israel. when it was under british control....they were attacked first by the muslims there because of the grand mufti


And I told you the reason of it

[MrLick]

Wrong

You mean after they get ready for the war

israel was formed in 1948 the grand mufti declared a holly war on jews in that region in early 1920's. THERE WAS NO ISRAEL AT THAT TIME, SO LEAVE ISRAEL OUT OF IT.....geez. it was close to 28 years before israel was formed

[MrLick]

And I told you the reason of it


so i can kill any arab or muslim in my area? i mean if its ok to kill jews like that, then hell if you move to america or any other nation they have a right ot kill you.....you're sick

[Maldini]

what im showing is the muslim's attacked the jews when alot of them came there back in the 1920's way before israel.....you see to show they were attacked first and when the finaly got their own nation, legally they were attacked again.


They attacked first because the plan of occupation
They attacked second because the announce of the state

How they got their nation legally?

[MrLick]

israel didnt steal alot of arab land......so your reasoning for it being ok doesnt work.

[MrLick]

They attacked first because the plan of occupation
They attacked second because the announce of the state

How they got their nation legally?


How is attacking to LEGALLY BUY LAND? that was not an attack. and most of the land for their nation was owned by britian or by jews.....

so if someone moves next to me i have the right to kill them? if you move next to me i can kill you because you moved next to me? even though you did it legally

[Maldini]

you were taught they stole arab land, when in fact alot of the land they got was british land, arabs only owned between 1% and 22% of the land in Palestine before 1948


In other worlds, it is even possible that Jews owned more land than Arabs did before the 1948 war!


When a country being under mandate or occupation it didn't mean it's no longer owned by her nation,so what you call about the people who lives in it

When Egypt was under the occupation from Britain it dosn't mean that the Egyptian didn't own Egypt

[MrLick]

When a country being under mandate or occupation it didn't mean it's no longer owned by her nation,so what you call about the people who lives in it

When Egypt was under the occupation from Britain it dosn't mean that the Egyptian didn't own Egypt


Britian OWNED the land legally, just like other nations at the time legally owned their land.....so they could do what they want with it, since they legally owned it.

you think its ok to kill and start a war because someone legally bought land in that region...thats sick....

[MrLick]

you think murder is ok because they legally bought land...

[MrLick]

im going to bed, no need talking to a racist who thinks its ok to kill people because they bought land in a arab region. thats truly sick. not stolen land but land bought legally from britian in the 1920's.

[Maldini]

to get away from being killed and hated in europe. some came to go back to the holly land, but like i said, they didnt steal much arab land, they bought most the land. and then when israel was formed, it was legaly because the arabs only owned between 1% and 22% of the land. they did NOTHING illegal or immoral...they were the victims of attacks before they had a nation and after they had one.


They didn't steal much Arab land

So you confess that they steal Arab land

How you bought lands in anther country then establish a country on this lands?

[Maldini]

really? what badwill? they didnt come there and attack anyone...so being peaceful is badwill? they brought infrastructure to that region and lots of work for arabs...so is that the badwill they had??? you have been taught they came with badwill, when they came peacefuly and LEGALLY and brought work for many arabs.....and were in turn attacked because of that.

there could be a palestine right now and peace...but the muslims have attacked them since they got there and wont stop because they want all the jews gone. its their own damn fault they dont have peace. the jews came there peacefuly and were attacked because they were jewish.....its not their fault

The badwill is the prepareing of establish Israel on the Arab land

[MrLick]

They didn't steal much Arab land

So you confess that they steal Arab land

How you bought lands in anther country then establish a country on this lands?


No, but the jews didnt do that either, but anyways its not moral to kill people for LEGALY establishing a nation.

[MrLick]

The badwill is the prepareing of establish Israel on the Arab land


LAND THEY BOUGHT OR WERE GIVEN BY THE BRITISH, it wanst arab lands. it was land the arabs WANTED TO STEAL...but was not arab land......you justify murder because they wanted to steal land from the jews, so its ok? you're sick

[Mojo Pin]

^ tell that to the native americans

[Maldini]

IT WASNT BY FORCE! you defend a man who had a holly war done on people who legally move to an area by him? you're sick. truly a pathetic person;

you're a racist.


They move legally in front of the other people but they are hidding a badwill

[Maldini]

if i use your reasoning, i would have the right to kill any muslim or arab that moved by me!


Why?

[MrLick]

^ tell that to the native americans


Ok, i never said what happened to them was right. in fact its was PURE evil...that has nothing to do with this, since israel didnt come in and kill people, they became a nation legaly. the land they got was owned by britian and other jews...

[Maldini]

IT WAS THEIR FUCKING LAND. they can help creat a jewish state if they want to. you're a racist.


Who said it was there land,they was occupation it

[MrLick]

They move legally in front of the other people but they are hidding a badwill

PROVE IT! and even so that is no reason to mass murder them....and support that.

[MrLick]

Who said it was there land,they was occupation it


it was either owned by jews already or british land.........

[Maldini]

its like me supporting the kkk hanging black people...its sick....its no different then that.


The KKK haven't any right to kill black people and there wasn't any reason for that

[MrLick]

learn your fucking history, it was BRITISH land NOT ARAB. so they had no right to kill them.

[Maldini]

british records show that....... that means up to the other 88% of that land was british and jewish owned land...you dont know your history

Palestine was under the British mandate but the Palestinians was still own it [ so how the Jews bought this land from the Palestinians ] if Britain was owned this land so I thin the Jews should bought this land from them

[Maldini]

israel was formed in 1948 the grand mufti declared a holly war on jews in that region in early 1920's. THERE WAS NO ISRAEL AT THAT TIME, SO LEAVE ISRAEL OUT OF IT.....geez. it was close to 28 years before israel was formed

But the grand mufti figured out they will establish their state in the future

[Mojo Pin]

Ok, i never said what happened to them was right. in fact its was PURE evil...that has nothing to do with this, since israel didnt come in and kill people, they became a nation legaly. the land they got was owned by britian and other jews...
Yeah we agree on that it was pure evil though the analogy came to my mind. Biblically israel owns that land not the brits or arabs or anyone but the jews but we all know what happened. Though i dont blame palestina, dont think they'll be able to co-exist.. ever hmm

[Maldini]

so i can kill any arab or muslim in my area? i mean if its ok to kill jews like that, then hell if you move to america or any other nation they have a right ot kill you.....you're sick


If I go to any country I will go with goodwill

I'm wont kill anyon or establish a country on their lands

[Maldini]

israel didnt steal alot of arab land......so your reasoning for it being ok doesnt work.

Dosn't work

Are you aware about what you right?

You confess that they steal Arab lands

[MrLick]

If I go to any country I will go with goodwill

I'm wont kill anyon or establish a country on their lands

it doesnt matter what will you'll have....its not about will...until you actually do something illegal, which israel didnt do until they attacked...you seem to think its ok to kill if they come close to someones land. and its sick

[Maldini]

How is attacking to LEGALLY BUY LAND? that was not an attack. and most of the land for their nation was owned by britian or by jews.....

so if someone moves next to me i have the right to kill them? if you move next to me i can kill you because you moved next to me? even though you did it legally

Britain was occupation this land,so you can't called they owned it

Jews bought this land but you can't called they owned it

There is a big difference between you bought the land and you control it

[MrLick]

Dosn't work

Are you aware about what you right?

You confess that they steal Arab lands

not when they first came their. the land they stole was during arab israeli wars, land they took in battle.

[Maldini]

Britian OWNED the land legally, just like other nations at the time legally owned their land.....so they could do what they want with it, since they legally owned it.

you think its ok to kill and start a war because someone legally bought land in that region...thats sick....

How Britain owned it legally by the occupation [ it's not called owned it]

There is a bid difference between you legally bought a land and legally control the land

[Maldini]

you think murder is ok because they legally bought land...

No

When you bought a land it doesn't mean do anything you want in it

You just doing the legal things

But when you control it
You do what you want

[MrLick]

the land was legally britians....they owned it. its just as much theirs as modern day egypt land is egyptian land......

[Maldini]

im going to bed, no need talking to a racist who thinks its ok to kill people because they bought land in a arab region. thats truly sick. not stolen land but land bought legally from britian in the 1920's.

All what you say wrong

[Maldini]

No, but the jews didnt do that either, but anyways its not moral to kill people for LEGALY establishing a nation.

Good evasive reply

[Maldini]

LAND THEY BOUGHT OR WERE GIVEN BY THE BRITISH, it wanst arab lands. it was land the arabs WANTED TO STEAL...but was not arab land......you justify murder because they wanted to steal land from the jews, so its ok? you're sick

If this land wasn't Arab land,so why the Jews bought it from the Arab

[MrLick]

If this land wasn't Arab land,so why the Jews bought it from the Arab

they got it from britian.

[Maldini]

PROVE IT! and even so that is no reason to mass murder them....and support that.

I will prove it

Is that normal that all Jews go to Palestine and live there and bought many lands even it expensive and from where the get that money they are a migration people

[MrLick]

huh?

[Maldini]

learn your fucking history, it was BRITISH land NOT ARAB. so they had no right to kill them.


No,it wasn't

[MrLick]

thats the problem, you've been taught all your life it was someone elses land. when it was not

[Maldini]

it doesnt matter what will you'll have....its not about will...until you actually do something illegal, which israel didnt do until they attacked...you seem to think its ok to kill if they come close to someones land. and its sick


You always make evasive reply

[MrLick]

evasive? its not about people's intentions..because you cant prove their intentions...not until they actually do something.

[Maldini]

the land was legally britians....they owned it. its just as much theirs as modern day egypt land is egyptian land......

How Britain own it


The Egyptians own Egypt because they lived on it more than 7000 years

[MrLick]

so if you move next to someone and they think you have bad intentions, by your reasoning htey have a right to declare a holly war on you?

[Maldini]

they got it from britian.


I mean when the Jews bought this lands

[Maldini]

thats the problem, you've been taught all your life it was someone elses land. when it was not


I think you describe yourself not me

[Maldini]

evasive? its not about people's intentions..because you cant prove their intentions...not until they actually do something.


I can prove people intentions by ther actions

[Maldini]

so if you move next to someone and they think you have bad intentions, by your reasoning htey have a right to declare a holly war on you?


They must see a strong remark on my action to know my intention

[MrLick]

They must see a strong remark on my action to know my intention


so if they lived over 60 years before you, how can you say you know their intention?

[Maldini]

so if they lived over 60 years before you, how can you say you know their intention?

What you mean? I didn't get it

[manc_ill_kid]

I read that more people in Israel die in car accidents than as a result of Hezbollah rockets, but I'm struggling to find any statistics on this.

Any ideas?

[manc_ill_kid]

oh, hang on, I've found it, well, half of it
http://www.cbs.gov.il/publications/acci03/tablch.shtml
stats from the Isreali Central Bureau of Statistics
about 450 deaths due to car accidents per year

Now looking for deaths due to Hezbollah rocket attacks

You do realise if there are fewer deaths I'm going to demand that Israel declares war on the motor car and bombs all civilian locations that they operate from.

[General Smut]

Theres been more car related deaths than there were deaths in world war 2.

Your point being?

[manc_ill_kid]

The perceived threat from Hezbollah to Israel and from global terrorism to the rest of the world is actually miniscule and not worth starting wars over.

If Israel feels it has a right and I guess a duty to defend itself from Hezbollah, then the same right applied to them defending themselves against car related deaths. The Israel government has duty to protect their citizens from cars, but instead, they are piling far more money into attacking other nations.

Assuming that the percentage of car related deaths is the same in Lebanon, with a population half the size, that'll be 225 deaths per year. Then the current conflict has killed 750 (approx), four times as many people have been killed by Israeli attacks than by cars. So I reckon Lebanon has a bigger right to self-defence and should be attacking Israel now.

Terrorism has always been around, and its not going to go away any time soon, but in context cars are far greater threat.

[MrLick]

What you mean? I didn't get it


those people lived before you, how do you know their intention?

[Maldini]

those people lived before you, how do you know their intention?


By studing their actions

[GazeboflossUK]

'Dayside' Audience Laughs at Lebanese Deaths

News Hounds | August 8 2006 (http://www.newshounds.us/2006/08/08/dayside_audience_laughs_at_lebanese_deaths.php)

The audience for Fox News' "Dayside" sank to a new low on Tuesday (August 8, 2006) during discussion of the fighting along the Israeli-Lebanese border.

Watch the video Here (http://www.newshounds.us/2006/08/08/dayside_audience_laughs_at_lebanese_deaths.php)

Egged on by substitute host Steve Doocy (or Doocey as the chyron spelled it at one point), the audience literally laughed at the suffering of Lebanese civilians caught between Hezbollah and Israeli bombs.

Doocy was interviewing Tania Mehanna, a senior war correspondent for Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation, when he chided Lebanese civilians for not standing up to Hezbollah fighters whom he said are positioning rockets in front of their homes. 'I think I'd be angry as Hezbollah," Doocy said.

Listen to Mehanna's answer and to the audience response.

Later, a man in the audience claimed that Arabs have made up the idea that Israel is bombing Lebanon.

Chilling.



There's something deeply disturbing about this. I keep thinking about what that last man said and it really has me worried on many levels.

[MrLick]

By studing their actions

and so anyone that buys land legally has the intention of making a nation and taking over a region? because those are the only action they did.....so by your reasoning anyone who buys land is trying to steal more land and create a nation.

[Maldini]

and so anyone that buys land legally has the intention of making a nation and taking over a region? because those are the only action they did.....so by your reasoning anyone who buys land is trying to steal more land and create a nation.


No of course, but in Israel case.Jews migration in hight number [ exactly Palestine ] and it's not normal thing.Don't forget the Britain decleration too

Don't forget also Theodor Herzl when he founded the Zionist Movement and called to establish the Jewish State

Jews make many aliyah to Palestine in order way

[MrLick]

No of course, but in Israel case.Jews migration in hight number [ exactly Palestine ] and it's not normal thing.Don't forget the Britain decleration too

Don't forget also Theodor Herzl when he founded the Zionist Movement and called to establish the Jewish State

Jews make many aliyah to Palestine in order way

they didnt conquer or steal land, they did it peacefuly and legally. so if someone does it peacefuly and legally should they be killed for that? if you move somewhere peacefuly and legally should you be murdered because of that?

[Maldini]

they didnt conquer or steal land, they did it peacefuly and legally. so if someone does it peacefuly and legally should they be killed for that? if you move somewhere peacefuly and legally should you be murdered because of that?


Legally yes,peacefuly no

I showed you their bad intention by shoing you their actions

[MrLick]

Legally yes,peacefuly no

I showed you their bad intention by shoing you their actions


they had no bad intentions, they set up a nation legally and peacefuly....how is that bad intentions? they did it all legally and peacefuly and were attacked because of that....

[Si Jenius]

I'm a moslem, so i hate israel.
GO TO HELL ISRAEL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel

[MrLick]

gee i wonder why you hate them...

[Maldini]

they had no bad intentions, they set up a nation legally and peacefuly....how is that bad intentions? they did it all legally and peacefuly and were attacked because of that....


How they set up a nation legally?

How you bought lands in other country and set up a state?

So, now I can go any country and buy a land then I set up my nation on it

Are you talking with nut?

Don't let the others laught at you

[MrLick]

How they set up a nation legally?

How you bought lands in other country and set up a state?

So, now I can go any country and buy a land then I set up my nation on it

Are you talking with nut?

Don't let the others laught at you

IF YOU BUY THE LAND OR GET IT LEGALLY then you can set up a nation....its your fucking land....

they didnt steal arab land, they got land that was already owned by jews and britian.

so if you go get land from your country and the international community lets you set up your own nation, then you have a right too.

[Maldini]

IF YOU BUY THE LAND OR GET IT LEGALLY then you can set up a nation....its your fucking land....

they didnt steal arab land, they got land that was already owned by jews and britian.

so if you go get land from your country and the international community lets you set up your own nation, then you have a right too.


I wonder,which Law you talking about

I studing Law and this forbiden in the International Law and Civil Law too

Maybe this law which you talking about in Mars but not in this planet

[MrLick]

it may not be legal in YOUR country, but it was britians land, so they could do what they please with it and it would be legal....

[MrLick]

Maldini if egypt decided to give you 100 miles of land and told you, you could make your own nation, then your nation would be legal.....you see if it was britians land and they gave and sold it to the jews, they could make a nation with that and it would be legal

what part dont you get?

it was britians land given/sold to the jews to make a nation..no one elses. so they can legally make a nation if they damn well pleased nothing immoral when ITS THEIR LAND LEGALLy

[Maldini]

it may not be legal in YOUR country, but it was britians land, so they could do what they please with it and it would be legal....


Who said that it was Britain land.It just was under mandate and it's not mean owned to Britain

[MrLick]

Who said that it was Britain land.It just was under mandate and it's not mean owned to Britain


they owned the land....or leased it to people. it was their land just as much as the island of england was their land.....just as much as egyptian land is owned by egypt

what make egypt owned by egypt? your people stole the land from someone else along time ago....you have no right to say its not israel land

[Maldini]

Maldini if egypt decided to give you 100 miles of land and told you, you could make your own nation, then your nation would be legal.....you see if it was britians land and they gave and sold it to the jews, they could make a nation with that and it would be legal

what part dont you get?

it was britians land given/sold to the jews to make a nation..no one elses. so they can legally make a nation if they damn well pleased nothing immoral when ITS THEIR LAND LEGALLy


I will say again,it's not owned to Britain

[Maldini]

they owned the land....or leased it to people. it was their land just as much as the island of england was their land.....just as much as egyptian land is owned by egypt

what make egypt owned by egypt? your people stole the land from someone else along time ago....you have no right to say its not israel land


Palestine occupied by Britain and it's didn't mean they owned it

Like when Britain occupied Egypt.Is that mean Britain own Egypt?

[MrLick]

Ok egypt is not owned by egypt....what makes it legal and moral for you to be on your land and for your nation to be a nation then?

[MrLick]

Palestine occupied by Britain and it's didn't mean they owned it

Like when Britain occupied Egypt.Is that mean Britain own Egypt?

they owned palestine, but occupied egypt.

[Maldini]

Ok egypt is not owned by egypt....what makes it legal and moral for you to be on your land and for your nation to be a nation then?


No the Egyptian own Egypt because they live in it since Adam & Eve and if you know anyone lived before them in this land tell me

[Maldini]

they owned palestine, but occupied egypt.


How they owned Palestine?

[MrLick]

No the Egyptian own Egypt because they live in it since Adam & Eve and if you know anyone lived before them in this land tell me


Yeah? prove it to me?

not to mention if you wanna go back that far, then israel was owned by the jews thousands of years ago for thousands of years..so if we go back that far its THEIR land. so your theory works agaisnt you!:P

[MrLick]

cat got your tongue eh?

[Maldini]

Yeah? prove it to me?

not to mention if you wanna go back that far, then israel was owned by the jews thousands of years ago for thousands of years..so if we go back that far its THEIR land. so your theory works agaisnt you!:P


Don't laugh so quick

Of course I know that the Jews lived in Palestine thousands years ago

But they lived in it as a part of the nation with Christians and Muslime and all of them called Palestinians

The Jews lived in Palestine as individuals from nation called Palestine [ they didn't called Israeli ]

They also lived in Egypt but they called Egyptian not Israeli


But now the Jews came from every nation and called themselves Israel

Did you get it?
I mean who live now in Israel not [ Palestinian jew ] maybe came from other country

[MrLick]

How they owned Palestine?

they owned it, and controlled it. like how egypt owns egypt....no difference. or how america owns its land, how germany owns its nation legally.

[MrLick]

Don't laugh so quick

Of course I know that the Jews lived in Palestine thousands years ago

But they left in it as a part of the nation with Christians and Muslime and all of them called Palestinians

The Jews lived in Palestine as individuals from nation called Palestine [ they didn't called Israeli ]

They also lived in Egypt but they called Egyptian not Israeli


But now the Jews came from every nation and called themselves Israel

Did you get it?
I mean who live now in Israel not [ Palestinian jew ] maybe came from other country


the jews owned israel, the nation of israel for thousands of years thousands of years ago. by useing YOUR reasoning they own the land now, if egypt owns its land because it owned it thousands of years ago, it is no different with israel.

[Maldini]

they owned it, and controlled it. like how egypt owns egypt....no difference. or how america owns its land, how germany owns its nation legally.


Britain controlled it by occupied it and it's didn't give the permission to Britain to owned it in counter Egypt or Germany

[Maldini]

the jews owned israel, the nation of israel for thousands of years thousands of years ago. by useing YOUR reasoning they own the land now, if egypt owns its land because it owned it thousands of years ago, it is no different with israel.

No,Palestinians who owned Palestine [ Palestinians contain Jews,Muslims,Christians and any religion else ]


Who live now in occupied Palestine not those who owned it thousands years ago,they are from many country]

It's like,if Asian Muslims come to Egypt to establish a new state in Egypt [ of course we will not allow them to do that

Yes that Muslims living in Egypt many years but they live in Egypt like an Egyptian not like a Muslims

[MrLick]

But what im showing you is, they owned it just as much as egypt owns its land, or as germany owns it lands or as america owns it land.....they all legally own it. germany is legaly germany's land, like egypt is legally egypt's land. that is what im showing you.

[MrLick]

britian owned the land just as much as egypt or russia owns it land....you see.

[Maldini]

But what im showing you is, they owned it just as much as egypt owns its land, or as germany owns it lands or as america owns it land.....they all legally own it. germany is legaly germany's land, like egypt is legally egypt's land. that is what im showing you.

Surely no

[MrLick]

Believe what you wish, the earth is flat if you want to believe it. you have been brainwashed and not taught history...i suggest you leave the middle east if you can and get a true education.

[Maldini]

britian owned the land just as much as egypt or russia owns it land....you see.

What you say? Britain make Palestine under the mandate 1916
and make the decleration 1917 is this long time

[Maldini]

Believe what you wish, the earth is flat if you want to believe it. you have been brainwashed and not taught history...i suggest you leave the middle east if you can and get a true education.


Don't insult me please

[MrLick]

Don't insult me please

your education is biased....you dont even know history of the middle east. im just saying if you want a true education move out of that region where the goverment controls it and puts into your head what it wants.

[Maldini]

your education is biased....you dont even know history of the middle east. im just saying if you want a true education move out of that region where the goverment controls it and puts into your head what it wants.

If I don't know the history of the Middle East prove the counter

If I saying something wrong prove the counter

[MrLick]

i just did.

you dont realize that britian legaly owned palestine and the land it gave to israel...that is history. you dont know that simple history.

[Maldini]

i just did.

you dont realize that britian legaly owned palestine and the land it gave to israel...that is history. you dont know that simple history.


And I told you before that Palestine was just under the British mandate and it's didn't mean that Britain own it

[MrLick]

yes and using your reasoning most natons of this world dont own their land....

[huntjd]

I'm a moslem, so i hate israel.
GO TO HELL ISRAEL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel
i hate israel

PLEASE BAN DICKHEADS LIKE THIS!! OR AT THE VERY MINIMUM A WARNING!

[manc_ill_kid]

In Lebanon didn't Muslims, Jews and Christians live together in peace?

[MrLick]

Yes....the muslim extremist had bigger fish to fry then killing them, they have israel to destroy.

[manc_ill_kid]

They weren't really a credible threat to Israel though. They were killing very few people compared to the other major killers in Israel such as cars, cancer, aids, etc.

Not worth either the war or the environmental impact, or the bad PR that Israel is getting.

Not all Muslims are extremeists, its only a minority of them, like in any religion, there are crazy nutjobs and there are all the rest. What you ought to do is ignore the nutjobs, give them as little time as possible, and get on with your lives.

[MrLick]

They are a threat, first of all they have thousands of figters and huge amounts of rockets. and hten if iran goes nucluear thy will too

[manc_ill_kid]

You still haven't come up with any statistics for how many people they've killed per year for the last few years, unless its on some other thread.

And still, compared with cars, who kill on average 450 people a year in Israel, and the numbers go up every year. And there are thousands of cars in Israel already. Cars are a greater threat to Israeli lives.

And Israel already has far more nuclear weapons than Iran. Israel is a bigger threat to its neighbours than they are to it.

And now I think about it. Israel has thousands of fighters and rockets and tanks and guns. And if everyone between the ages of 17 and 45 there has to serve as an army reservist for 30 days a year, that's like an army of hundreds of thousands.

What was your point?

[manc_ill_kid]

I was just flicking through the past few pages of this thread and another thought came to me. It was this, how in the bible the old testamanet, the jews are like promised Israel. Everyone in the area was an Arab of one tribe or another, but they all live there. By my reckoning of religions, and I'm no religious scholar, it wasn't until 2000 years ago that there were any Christians at all, everyone who lived there was still an arab. and the Muslim religion didn't come about as koran followers until a bit later aftr that. All the same everyone who lived round that neck of the woods was an arab.

Everyone who lived round there, Jew, Christian or Muslim, they were all pretty much arabs.

The distinction between jews and arabs is only a more recent phenomenom brought on by mass migrations of people.




Ooh, MrCool, I hope you haven't scared away Maldini, we could have spread a bit of peace and understanding there.

[huntjd]

It doesn't matter how many people they have killed... the wounded is the real toll of terrorism.
people with schrapnel wounds, amputations and the like still have to live theoir life after terror attacks. that is the real toll for israel.

[Maldini]

In Lebanon didn't Muslims, Jews and Christians live together in peace?


It's not true,all Lebanon live in peace.No one care about the religion of the others,all there Lebanese


Do you know something,Israel thought they can make a civil war in Lebanon by hit the Muslim regions and leave the Christian region [ Divide and Rule ].Do you know what happened.All Christians opened their houses for their brothers Muslims.Hezbollah a Muslim Orgnization but all Christian Lebanese support Hezbollah

So,Israel get disappointed

[manc_ill_kid]

It doesn't matter how many people they have killed... the wounded is the real toll of terrorism.
people with schrapnel wounds, amputations and the like still have to live their life after terror attacks. that is the real toll for israel.
Sorry I don't buy that either. According to the Israeli Bureau of Statistics causes of death document http://www1.cbs.gov.il/shnaton56/st03_27x.pdf I'm still reading it but it looks like heart disease is quite a killer - 53 deaths per 100,000 per year, (population 7,000,000) so thats about 3,700 deaths a year due to heart disease.

Lets say that going on the current conflict, the number of people injurred is, I'm being generous, twice the number killed, so for a month's full on war, that's about 200 so if this went on for a year, that would be 2000 injurred. Still means twice as many people have died from heart disease per year.

[manc_ill_kid]

Maldini, is Giza the same as Gaza?

[Maldini]

Maldini, is Giza the same as Gaza?


What you mean?

[Maldini]

yes and using your reasoning most natons of this world dont own their land....


No,of course

[manc_ill_kid]

in your user details
<----------

It says your location is Giza, where is that?

[Maldini]

in your user details
<----------

It says your location is Giza, where is that?


Where is Giza?:shocked2:

[manc_ill_kid]

oh, hang on, I've found it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giza

Hey I'm English, what do I know? :)

[Maldini]

oh, hang on, I've found it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giza

Hey I'm English, what do I know? :)


Do you know the Egyptian Pyramids? I live 5 KM from it:wink3: