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[MrLick]

Main Entry: 1Chris·tian


1 a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ

how can they be christian if they do not follow the teachings of jesus christ?

alot of people believe in jesus, but are not christians. its been proven historically that jesus existed, but just because you believe in him does not mean you are a christian.

[green eyes88]

sadly you will never realize how much ww2 relates to today....its not a different situation at all. and people who think so are only hurting themselves.

i cant belive you would say that
from all your responses u seem to have a wide knowledge of current affairs and history. And u still think that something somewhat like the holocoast is being done to the arabs in israel?
How could u possibly compare???

i really wanna know where u ppl get these ideas

[Bijeli_Miš]

Main Entry: 1Chris·tian


1 a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ

how can they be christian if they do not follow the teachings of jesus christ?

alot of people believe in jesus, but are not christians. its been proven historically that jesus existed, but just because you believe in him does not mean you are a christian.What are you then,duh!
I'll make this reply the last one, becasue we are digressing from the topic.
Of course there are difference between Catholics, Protestans, and other denominations, why do you think they separated?Most of the world's big religions have different denominations.
Btw "false religion", that totally makes no sense.Every religion claims to be the right one, and the only true way to salvation(or enlighment in some asian cases).Besides there is a difference between what Jesus thought, and Bible in general, old testament doesn't contain any of the Jesus' teaching at all, but is still considered important because Christianity started of as a Jewish sect.
And infant baptism isn't exclusively Catholic practice, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, Metodists, and Presbyterians do it as well.

[berrywoman]

Main Entry: 1Chris·tian


1 a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ

how can they be christian if they do not follow the teachings of jesus christ?

alot of people believe in jesus, but are not christians. its been proven historically that jesus existed, but just because you believe in him does not mean you are a christian.


I TAKE PERSONAL OFFENSE TO THIS COMMENT! HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A NON-CHRISITIAN... I AM TOO! I BELIEVE IN CHRIST AND THAT IS ALL THAT DEFINES A CHRISTIAN! ALBEIT I AM NOT A HARD CORE CATHOLIC, BUT I DO BELIEVE IN CHRIST AND THE HOLY TRINITY. I DON'T NEED TO GO TO CHURCH EVERY WEEK OR 7 DAYS A WEEK TO BE ONE WITH MY GOD, I CAN PRAY IN MY CLOSET IF I WANT TO AND JESUS WILL STILL LOVE ME!!

Watch what you say.... this is your 3RD warning from me... you're walking a thin line defying others of their beliefs and faith. WHO THE HELL are you to tell someone that they aren't Christian?? There is no physical hard core proof that He exisited.... we BELIEVE that He did... thats what faith is all about... believing!!!!

prick.

[bart]

More evidence of threads of this nature should be closed....

[Bijeli_Miš]

More evidence of threads of this nature should be closed....
You know, it won't solve the problem.

[Mimixxx]

Well it's not up to you is it Daryl, so if you don't like it, don't come in.

[berrywoman]

Amen sistah!! AMEN! ;)

[MrLick]

i cant belive you would say that
from all your responses u seem to have a wide knowledge of current affairs and history. And u still think that something somewhat like the holocoast is being done to the arabs in israel?
How could u possibly compare???

i really wanna know where u ppl get these ideas


i never said that. the arabs are trying to do a holocaust on the jews.

[MrLick]

I TAKE PERSONAL OFFENSE TO THIS COMMENT! HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A NON-CHRISITIAN... I AM TOO! I BELIEVE IN CHRIST AND THAT IS ALL THAT DEFINES A CHRISTIAN! ALBEIT I AM NOT A HARD CORE CATHOLIC, BUT I DO BELIEVE IN CHRIST AND THE HOLY TRINITY. I DON'T NEED TO GO TO CHURCH EVERY WEEK OR 7 DAYS A WEEK TO BE ONE WITH MY GOD, I CAN PRAY IN MY CLOSET IF I WANT TO AND JESUS WILL STILL LOVE ME!!

Watch what you say.... this is your 3RD warning from me... you're walking a thin line defying others of their beliefs and faith. WHO THE HELL are you to tell someone that they aren't Christian?? There is no physical hard core proof that He exisited.... we BELIEVE that He did... thats what faith is all about... believing!!!!

prick.

i simply showed evidence that the catholic church does not truly follow what jesus preached and in fact in many cases goes against it. dont be mad at me for pointing out simple facts and backing them up with evidence. if you are going to be mad at anyone, be mad at the catholic church for misleading people, when they clearly go agaisnt the bible.

p.s. jesus was proven to existed through historical records. its a fact he existed just as much as we knew joan of arc existed or julius ceaser.

[Ergf]

i simply showed evidence that the catholic church does not truly follow what jesus preached and in fact in many cases goes against it. dont be mad at me for pointing out simple facts and backing them up with evidence. if you are going to be mad at anyone, be mad at the catholic church for misleading people, when they clearly go agaisnt the bible.

p.s. jesus was proven to existed through historical records. its a fact he existed just as much as we knew joan of arc existed or julius ceaser.


is there anybody following what jesus preached all the way ? i don't think so. perhaps you think you do but if i'd hit you, would you turn around so i can hit your other side ? i don't think so. Now you'll probably say its all about how you interpret the bible. Well indeed, that's what its all about. The catholic church interprets the bible in an other way than you do.


P.S. I'm baptised and all that but I don't believe in God and stuff ... but even i think that saying Catholics aren't christians is just stupid.

And yes, Jesus exists but does his existance prove that he is the son of God ? Its also proven that Mohammed exists, should we all turn muslim now ?

[berrywoman]

^ exactly!! and Thank YOU! ;)


Nick: you're treading a very thin line here... The Church and being Catholic are two TOTALLY different things.... I don't agree with a lot of what the Church does.. but that doesn't make me a non-Christian. YOU have no right to talk to people like that and tell them what they are and aren't... THATS JUST RUDE AND INCONSIDERATE OF THEIR BELIEFS...

What are you? A born again??

[berrywoman]

BACK TO TOPIC:


Mideast conference fails to reach truce deal
Rice: Region can't return to ‘status quo’, nations urge restraint for Israel


Rome- U.S., European and Arab officials holding crisis talks on Lebanon failed to agree Wednesday on an immediate plan to halt the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah guerrillas.

Although officials called for an end to the violence, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said there cannot be a return to a “status quo” of political uncertainty and instability in Lebanon. She said any cease-fire must be “sustainable.”

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said the solution to the Mideast crisis should involve Iran and Syria. He also called for the formation of a multinational force to help Lebanon assert its authority and implement U.N. resolutions that would disarm Hezbollah.

READ MORE: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14035942/?GT1=8307

[MrLick]

is there anybody following what jesus preached all the way ? i don't think so. perhaps you think you do but if i'd hit you, would you turn around so i can hit your other side ? i don't think so. Now you'll probably say its all about how you interpret the bible. Well indeed, that's what its all about. The catholic church interprets the bible in an other way than you do.


P.S. I'm baptised and all that but I don't believe in God and stuff ... but even i think that saying Catholics aren't christians is just stupid.

And yes, Jesus exists but does his existance prove that he is the son of God ? Its also proven that Mohammed exists, should we all turn muslim now ?


true, but theres a difference between messing up and going against core teachings of jesus.

[MrLick]

^ exactly!! and Thank YOU! ;)


Nick: you're treading a very thin line here... The Church and being Catholic are two TOTALLY different things.... I don't agree with a lot of what the Church does.. but that doesn't make me a non-Christian. YOU have no right to talk to people like that and tell them what they are and aren't... THATS JUST RUDE AND INCONSIDERATE OF THEIR BELIEFS...

What are you? A born again??

How are you catholic then? if you dont agree with alot of the catholic church why be catholic? the key teaching of the catholic church go agaisnt key teaching of jesus.

Im non denominational, thats the difference between us and most other church's we dont follow mans rule for religion, but the bible and what jesus taught and nothing else. catholicism is loosely based on christianity, it may be similar but its very different.

[berrywoman]

here's the difference...


I would never dogg you out for what YOU believe. You believe what you believe.. cool. YOU on the other hand go around spewing hate and disrespect towards others' beliefs....


thats whats real here....


now fuck off on this issue.. it isnt what the thread is about.... or deal with Ian. You have offended me for the last time...

good day.

[MrLick]

here's the difference...


I would never dogg you out for what YOU believe. You believe what you believe.. cool. YOU on the other hand go around spewing hate and disrespect towards others' beliefs....


thats whats real here....


now fuck off on this issue.. it isnt what the thread is about.... or deal with Ian. You have offended me for the last time...

good day.

I never hated anyones religion or them for it. you added that one in. i just said it does not follow key teaching of jesus but infact goes agaisnt them, i POINTED out a simple fact and backed it up with evidence. no hatred, just plain evidence to back up what i said. you added in me hating because you did not agree with what i said. quite typical of you.

[berrywoman]

aahh but you are disrespecting me and my beliefs.... now, I'll ask you one last time politely... fuck off the topic of religion, and get back to the issue of the thread....

[MrLick]

aahh but you are disrespecting me and my beliefs.... now, I'll ask you one last time politely... fuck off the topic of religion, and get back to the issue of the thread....

you disrespect my beliefs aswell. but we shall go back on topic.

[GazeboflossUK]

I will...

Good article:


http://infowars.net/pictures/july2006/260706bombing2.jpg

WWIII and the New Status Quo Ante Agenda
Long term three world war agenda unfolding in the here and now

Steve Watson / Infowars | July 26 2006 (http://infowars.net/index.html)

Condoleeza Rice's statement today that a return to the 'political Status Quo Ante' is not an option is very revealing in terms of what we are to expect in the coming weeks months and years.

Despite the fact that every nation on the planet, barring the two globalist control centres of the US and the UK wants an immediate ceasefire and an end to the killing, a ceasefire is not what we are going to get.

What does this reveal about who is in control of modern political events? The elite few and not the many are running the entire show and what they say goes because they have the international bankers and their long established financial systems of enslavement onside to ply them with endless wealth to fund the killing and reap back the profits.

The political world is going to be changed for ever by a totally staged managed escalation of violence that will foment a pre-scripted third world war.

http://infowars.net/pictures/july2006/260706Independent.jpg

The US media is for the most part hideously spewing out what will inevitably be written in the history books. Today's Chicago Times editorial (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0607260064jul26,1,4389591.story?coll=chi-opinionfront-hed) succinctly sums up the total falsehood that may become known as the catalytic event after 9/11 that started World War Three:

Hezbollah started this conflict by invading Israel and killing and kidnapping soldiers...

In reality it is the exact opposite that is the case. Israel sent troops over the Lebanese border into the South of the country and then claimed the captured invaders were "kidnap victims" and launched their attacks.

The Associated press (http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/12/ap2873051.html) reported this, The AFP (http://fr.news.yahoo.com/12072006/202/liban-le-hezbollah-capture-deux-soldats-israeliens-sept-autres-tues.html) reported this, the Hindustan Times (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers.html) reported this, the Bahrain News Agency (http://english.bna.bh/?ID=47348) reported this, The Deutsche Presse-Agentur (http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1180404.php/Hezbollah_back_in_the_spotlight_after_capturing_so ldiers) reported this, The Asia Times (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html) reported this, voltairenet (http://www.voltairenet.org/article142056.html) reported this. in fact every foreign media outlet reported this, yet the US media reports that the exact opposite happened.

It has also now been revealed that Israeli spy networks, long in operation in Lebanon, were on alert, scoping out targets to be destroyed four days before (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/260706Spy.htm) the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanon.

The Jeruslaem post (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1150885978380&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull) reported on the 12th of July that only weeks ago, an entire reserve division was drafted in order to train for the operation along the northern border. In the same report a very high ranking military officer said that if the captured soldiers were not returned in good condition, Israel would turn Lebanon back 20 years by striking its vital infrastructure.

Clearly whether the vital infrastructure of Lebanon was under the control of Hezbollah or not was not an issue for Israel.

"The IDF holds the Lebanese government responsible for any act of terror launched from Lebanon at Israel," a statement released by the IDF spokesperson read.

More from the Chicago Times:

If Hezbollah wants a cease-fire--and there's little evidence of that--it would be simple to accomplish...

Little evidence? What about the fact there was an immediate offer by Hezbollah to release the soldiers, as well as long term hostage and IDF soldier Gilad Shalit, in exchange for thousands of security prisoners? The offer of an immediate truce and talks has again been seemingly snubbed today by Israel.

Simple to accomplish? So what about the indiscriminate wiping out by Israel of Lebanese civilians, (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/240706Villagers.htm) the airport and even United Nations outposts, killing UN observers ON PURPOSE (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/260706Annan.htm) despite repeated warnings. (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1228804,00.html) What about the repeated statements, from the Prime Minister of Israel Ehud Olmert, that the bombing will not stop. (http://infowars.net/articles/july2006/250706Olmert.htm) Is all that a side issue?

The activities of Israel (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/240706worldwarthree.htm) are a fuse that has been lit to ignite the order out of chaos agenda in the middle east that will eventually lead to all out war, the systematic destruction of sovereignty throughout the region and endless globalist occupation and plundering. No one can now deny that the level the violence has been taken to is totally out of all proportion to the events used to justify it. Anyone can see that this has gone beyond a matter of destroying a loosely organized foreign movement. Even State leaders admit (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/160706putinsuspects.htm) the leadership of Israel is pursuing wider agendas.

http://infowars.net/pictures/july2006/260706bombing3.jpg

The globalist agenda for a third world war focused on the middle east has been long spoken of and written about.

In 1826; Captain William Morgan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morgan_(anti-Mason)) published an exposure of the powerful masonic movement that had been long infiltrated at the highest levels by the European Illuminati movement. Morgan decided it was his duty to inform all Masons and the general public what the full proof was regarding the Illuminati, their secret plans, intended objectives, and to reveal the identities of the masterminds of the conspiracy.

Morgan wrote:

World War III is to be fomented, using the so-called controversies; by the agents of the Illuminati operating under whatever new name; that are now being stored up between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world.

That war is to be directed in such a manner that all of Islam and political Zionism will destroy each other while at the same time; the remaining nations, once more divided on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion; physically, mentally, spiritually, and economically.

Zionism at this time was not an established term or movement, it was unheard of yet here we have a Mason writing openly about it as a future force in the world.

The writing of Albert Pike, (http://www.sspx-schism.com/Pike.htm#Three%20World%20Wars) the Grand Commander of American Freemasonry, later in 1871 also reveals the same Masonic/Illuminati agenda. Predicting both the first and second world wars would lead to the break up of Germany, the expansion of Communist Russia and the establishment of the State of Israel. The next 75 years and beyond unfolded exactly as Pike described.

http://infowars.net/pictures/july2006/260706Pike.jpg

Pike wrote:

The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World,

The [third] war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. The rest of the world will be drawn in. "Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion...

Pike stated that after World War III is ended; those who will aspire to undisputed world-domination will provoke the greatest social-cataclysm the world has ever known, an all powerful malevolent unipolar world order. He stated that the agenda was to "unleash the nihilists and the atheists" and bring this about via "a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Essentially Pike foresaw that in order to bring about the Illuminati vision of an all conquering world government, the previously established strong hold religions must be pitted against each other AND against Atheist Communism, exhausting all beliefs and political systems to the point where the world cannot look back to the former Status Quo Ante and must await a new beginning.

The turmoil in the Middle East is the start of this new beginning.

The centre of power amongst the globalists, or "those who will aspire to undisputed world-domination" as Pike put it, may have shifted, evolved, grown and changed over the last century, but it seems that the overall order out of chaos agenda is still as it was.

[amsterdam528]

Wow that's an excellent article. This situation just seems to be getting more sad as more information about pre-emptive planning is revealed and as diplomats enter negotiations with no plans for solving these crises. Sad sad world. :cry:

[Matan_18]

ok I didn't read all the article because I don't have much time..but I did read that sentence!!
"Hezbollah started this conflict by invading Israel and killing and kidnapping soldiers...
In reality it is the exact opposite that is the case. Israel sent troops over the Lebanese border into the South of the country and then claimed the captured invaders were "kidnap victims" and launched their attacks."


Who the hell wrote that???We did not enter Lebanon untill this week!!
How does he write that things and mislead all of the readers!!! It's a lie!! They are a terror organization, who is he(the writer) to write that stuff?? I can promise you people(at least, too bad it was published) that what he wrote is really not true!!! They started it.. and I don't care how childish does it sound..
that part of the article, that I quoted, is like to say that the 11/9/2001 happned as a result of the US attacking in Afganistan.. so I just want to tell you not to believe this article, or at least the part that is saying that Israel entered Lebanon before they attacked us. It's all lies..

[Matan_18]

The more I read this stuiped article, the more I get furious!!
I can see that the writer of this article, and I don't care even if he is a "journalist", he really really doesn't know anything of his life or the situation here!!! I wish "gets to know better" some terrorists where he lives!!
About the "cease-fire"..he is so stupid that he doesn't know that we can never make a cease fire with a terror organization!! He just doesn't know anything on terrorists!!
Maybe he should come live here in Haifa for a week and then write more articles!!
So in my opinion, that article is nothing but bulshit!!(and that's the first time I ever use that word in a forum)

[amsterdam528]

Perhaps he's just being objective, unlike furious emotionally clouded natives.

[GazeboflossUK]

The more I read this stuiped article, the more I get furious!!
I can see that the writer of this article, and I don't care even if he is a "journalist", he really really doesn't know anything of his life or the situation here!!! I wish "gets to know better" some terrorists where he lives!!
About the "cease-fire"..he is so stupid that he doesn't know that we can never make a cease fire with a terror organization!! He just doesn't know anything on terrorists!!
Maybe he should come live here in Haifa for a week and then write more articles!!
So in my opinion, that article is nothing but bulshit!!(and that's the first time I ever use that word in a forum)

Stop telling me to "come and live there" or "come and live life here" rubbish....what a silly comment. Do you think that all the main government leaders from around the world live there?? no - yet they get to make all the decisions.

What you write is "bullshit" as you make so many badly but together arguments in your last posts that it seems it is really you that has no grasp on what really is happening in the world. You just ignore most of my post to make your point....which is not really a point at all.

I'm sorry but you've been led to believe lies.....and probably not for the first or last time.

Your Government (as well as mine and the US) are commiting themselves to a horrible, bloody staged war.

It's tough but true.

[amsterdam528]

Your Government (as well as mine ans the US) are commiting themselves to a horrible, bloody staged war.

It's tough but true.

As an American, I can second this point. It's absolutely true, though my government never told me it was. I wonder why?

[GazeboflossUK]

Israeli forces Slaughter U.N. Observers

Kurt Nimmo | July 25, 2006

After Israel bombed a U.N. shelter near Khiam, Lebanon, killing four observers, Daniel Ayalon, Israeli ambassador to the United States, had the audacity to tell Wolf Blizter of CNN he expects an apology from U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan for complaining.

Of course, this is nothing new, as the Israelis routinely attack the United Nations and little if anything comes of such murderous crimes against humanity.

For instance, on April 18, 1996, in the Lebanese village of Qana, during Israel’s “Operation Grapes of Wrath” invasion, the IOF killed 106 Lebanese refugees seeking protection at a Fijian UNIFIL compound. As usual, the Israeli government expressed regret, but words are cheap, especially considering the fact the IOF consistently issues such meaningless apologies after slaughtering innocents. The Zionist state added insult to injury, or rather mass murder, by not paying compensation to the victims.

A few days earlier, on April 12, an IOF attack helicopter fired a missile at an ambulance in the village of al-Mansuri, killing two women and four young girls. On the same day the Israelis killed refugees at Qana, a “helicopter gunship attack on a house in the village of Upper Nabatiyeh on April 18, 1996 … killed nine civilians, including a newborn baby, six children under thirteen years old, and their mother,” according to Human Rights Watch. (http://hrw.org/reports/1997/isrleb/Isrleb.htm)

No word if Daniel Ayalon or his counterpart at the time expected an apology from the families of the victims.

Israel’s IOF has engaged in numerous massacres in Bint Jbeil, Khan Yunis, Maaraka, Jibaa, Qibya, Saida, Trqumia, Homeen al-Tahta, Seer al-Garbiah, Yohmor, Sabra and Shatila, on and on, ad nauseam, killing thousands of Arabs, massacres so common we rarely hear about them here in America, what with our “fair and balanced” corporate media.

The numbers of United Nations personnel killed by the IOF pales in comparison. However, on 3 December 2002, sixty-four U.N. workers issued a petition demanding the Israeli military stop “beating and killing” them, according to the Memory Hole, (http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/un-petition.htm) an appropriate venue, as the corporate media ignored the petition.

“You might think that such a strongly-worded statement sent by more than five-dozen United Nations workers to the ‘Middle East’s only democracy’ would be highly newsworthy. Apparently not. Among the very few media outlets to cover it were Reuters, the BBC, the Independent (London), Ha’aretz (Jerusalem), and the Jerusalem Post. Notice that all these sources are British or Israeli. Not one American media outlet has covered the story.”

“[F]or two years United Nations staff have been subject to escalating harassment and violence by Israel’s military, so that the protection supposed to be afforded by the blue letters of the UN is being steadily eroded,” the petition explains. “UN staff—international and Palestinian alike—have been verbally abused, stripped, beaten, shot at, and killed by Israeli soldiers.”

Tragically Iain Hook was not the first person working with the UN to die at the hands of the IDF this year. In March, Kamal Hamdan was shot and killed while travelling in a clearly marked UNRWA ambulance in the West Bank. In April, Husni Amer died in Israeli military custody in Jenin after, according to witnesses, receiving a brutal beating by the soldiers at the time of his arrest. From its silence, we presume the Israeli authorities have ignored UN requests for an investigation and report of these two incidents, and have not seen fit to take any disciplinary action against the soldiers involved. To us, this seems to confirm a pattern of utter contempt on the part of the Israeli army for the lost lives of these men, the safety of UN staff or the minimum standards imposed by international law which should protect UN staff and other humanitarian workers.

Again, no word if Daniel Ayalon demanded an apology.

Addendum

It appears the IOF targeted UNIFIL for a very specific reason, namely to send the message the Zionist state doesn’t need no stinkin’ peacekeepers, especially peacekeepers who mostly evacuate citizens from Israel’s killing fields. More specifically, it was a message sent in regard to the prospect of yet another multinational peacekeeping force sent to Lebanon. As Bush, or rather the neocons, tell us, Israel must be left alone to go after Hezbollah, that is to say Lebanese resisting invasion and occupation.

It didn’t take long for the corporate media to shellack the murder of the UN observers with sickening excuses. In addition to excuses, the Chicago Tribune (http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/15120497.htm) felt compelled, as a standard lickspittle for Israeli crimes, to powder puff the invasion:

“The experience for the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon, or UNIFIL, has not been a good one. In place since 1978 and comprising soldiers from France, Poland, India, Italy and a few other countries, UNIFIL was unable to stop the July 12 Hezbollah border raid that resulted in the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers. It was also unable to block retaliating Israeli troops from entering Lebanon a few days later.”

As we know, the Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanon, as reported by Forbes, (http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/12/ap2873051.html) the Associated Press, (http://www.wciv.com/showstory2.hrb?f=n&s=343816&f1=loc) ABC News, (http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0706/343816.html) the Boston Herald, (http://news.bostonherald.com/international/view.bg?articleid=148016) the Hindustan Times, (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers.html) the Bahrain News Agency, (http://english.bna.bh/?ID=47348) Deutsche Presse-Agentur, (http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1180404.php/Hezbollah_back_in_the_spotlight_after_capturing_so ldiers) AFP, (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers2.html) Asia Times, (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html) and others. For more on the ever-morphing story, see this blog (http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2006/07/where-exactly-were-those-israeli.html) entry.

But then, naturally, the Chicago Tribune would be bucking the pro-Israel corporate media stampede if it told the truth. Imagine Winston Smith rewriting historical documents so that they match the current party line, which changes on a daily basis, over at the Ministry of Truth, and you’ll get a good idea of what’s going on here.

One wonders what the response would be if the Palestinians and Lebanese “retaliated” against Israel for kidnapping their citizens, numbering in the hundreds.

Finally, according to the Washington Post, (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/25/AR2006072501091.html) the IOF continued firing on the targeted shelter, even as rescue workers attempted to clear the rubble. But then this should not be surprising, as the surviving members of the USS Liberty, the intelligence ship attacked by Israel on June 8, 1967, will likely tell you. In that instance, our “friends” attacked lifeboats with torpedoes and machine gun fire, a war crime.


It seems the Israeli government are mighty fond of war crimes.

[huntjd]

i'd like to know how someone living can ask for someone to stop killing them... its hypocrisy.

[MrLick]

I will...

Good article:


http://infowars.net/pictures/july2006/260706bombing2.jpg

WWIII and the New Status Quo Ante Agenda
Long term three world war agenda unfolding in the here and now

Steve Watson / Infowars | July 26 2006 (http://infowars.net/index.html)

Condoleeza Rice's statement today that a return to the 'political Status Quo Ante' is not an option is very revealing in terms of what we are to expect in the coming weeks months and years.

Despite the fact that every nation on the planet, barring the two globalist control centres of the US and the UK wants an immediate ceasefire and an end to the killing, a ceasefire is not what we are going to get.

What does this reveal about who is in control of modern political events? The elite few and not the many are running the entire show and what they say goes because they have the international bankers and their long established financial systems of enslavement onside to ply them with endless wealth to fund the killing and reap back the profits.

The political world is going to be changed for ever by a totally staged managed escalation of violence that will foment a pre-scripted third world war.

http://infowars.net/pictures/july2006/260706Independent.jpg

The US media is for the most part hideously spewing out what will inevitably be written in the history books. Today's Chicago Times editorial (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0607260064jul26,1,4389591.story?coll=chi-opinionfront-hed) succinctly sums up the total falsehood that may become known as the catalytic event after 9/11 that started World War Three:

Hezbollah started this conflict by invading Israel and killing and kidnapping soldiers...

In reality it is the exact opposite that is the case. Israel sent troops over the Lebanese border into the South of the country and then claimed the captured invaders were "kidnap victims" and launched their attacks.

The Associated press (http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/12/ap2873051.html) reported this, The AFP (http://fr.news.yahoo.com/12072006/202/liban-le-hezbollah-capture-deux-soldats-israeliens-sept-autres-tues.html) reported this, the Hindustan Times (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers.html) reported this, the Bahrain News Agency (http://english.bna.bh/?ID=47348) reported this, The Deutsche Presse-Agentur (http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1180404.php/Hezbollah_back_in_the_spotlight_after_capturing_so ldiers) reported this, The Asia Times (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html) reported this, voltairenet (http://www.voltairenet.org/article142056.html) reported this. in fact every foreign media outlet reported this, yet the US media reports that the exact opposite happened.

It has also now been revealed that Israeli spy networks, long in operation in Lebanon, were on alert, scoping out targets to be destroyed four days before (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/260706Spy.htm) the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanon.

The Jeruslaem post (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1150885978380&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull) reported on the 12th of July that only weeks ago, an entire reserve division was drafted in order to train for the operation along the northern border. In the same report a very high ranking military officer said that if the captured soldiers were not returned in good condition, Israel would turn Lebanon back 20 years by striking its vital infrastructure.

Clearly whether the vital infrastructure of Lebanon was under the control of Hezbollah or not was not an issue for Israel.

"The IDF holds the Lebanese government responsible for any act of terror launched from Lebanon at Israel," a statement released by the IDF spokesperson read.

More from the Chicago Times:

If Hezbollah wants a cease-fire--and there's little evidence of that--it would be simple to accomplish...

Little evidence? What about the fact there was an immediate offer by Hezbollah to release the soldiers, as well as long term hostage and IDF soldier Gilad Shalit, in exchange for thousands of security prisoners? The offer of an immediate truce and talks has again been seemingly snubbed today by Israel.

Simple to accomplish? So what about the indiscriminate wiping out by Israel of Lebanese civilians, (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/240706Villagers.htm) the airport and even United Nations outposts, killing UN observers ON PURPOSE (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/260706Annan.htm) despite repeated warnings. (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1228804,00.html) What about the repeated statements, from the Prime Minister of Israel Ehud Olmert, that the bombing will not stop. (http://infowars.net/articles/july2006/250706Olmert.htm) Is all that a side issue?

The activities of Israel (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/240706worldwarthree.htm) are a fuse that has been lit to ignite the order out of chaos agenda in the middle east that will eventually lead to all out war, the systematic destruction of sovereignty throughout the region and endless globalist occupation and plundering. No one can now deny that the level the violence has been taken to is totally out of all proportion to the events used to justify it. Anyone can see that this has gone beyond a matter of destroying a loosely organized foreign movement. Even State leaders admit (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/160706putinsuspects.htm) the leadership of Israel is pursuing wider agendas.

http://infowars.net/pictures/july2006/260706bombing3.jpg

The globalist agenda for a third world war focused on the middle east has been long spoken of and written about.

In 1826; Captain William Morgan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morgan_(anti-Mason)) published an exposure of the powerful masonic movement that had been long infiltrated at the highest levels by the European Illuminati movement. Morgan decided it was his duty to inform all Masons and the general public what the full proof was regarding the Illuminati, their secret plans, intended objectives, and to reveal the identities of the masterminds of the conspiracy.

Morgan wrote:

World War III is to be fomented, using the so-called controversies; by the agents of the Illuminati operating under whatever new name; that are now being stored up between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world.

That war is to be directed in such a manner that all of Islam and political Zionism will destroy each other while at the same time; the remaining nations, once more divided on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion; physically, mentally, spiritually, and economically.

Zionism at this time was not an established term or movement, it was unheard of yet here we have a Mason writing openly about it as a future force in the world.

The writing of Albert Pike, (http://www.sspx-schism.com/Pike.htm#Three%20World%20Wars) the Grand Commander of American Freemasonry, later in 1871 also reveals the same Masonic/Illuminati agenda. Predicting both the first and second world wars would lead to the break up of Germany, the expansion of Communist Russia and the establishment of the State of Israel. The next 75 years and beyond unfolded exactly as Pike described.

http://infowars.net/pictures/july2006/260706Pike.jpg

Pike wrote:

The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World,

The [third] war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. The rest of the world will be drawn in. "Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion...

Pike stated that after World War III is ended; those who will aspire to undisputed world-domination will provoke the greatest social-cataclysm the world has ever known, an all powerful malevolent unipolar world order. He stated that the agenda was to "unleash the nihilists and the atheists" and bring this about via "a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Essentially Pike foresaw that in order to bring about the Illuminati vision of an all conquering world government, the previously established strong hold religions must be pitted against each other AND against Atheist Communism, exhausting all beliefs and political systems to the point where the world cannot look back to the former Status Quo Ante and must await a new beginning.

The turmoil in the Middle East is the start of this new beginning.

The centre of power amongst the globalists, or "those who will aspire to undisputed world-domination" as Pike put it, may have shifted, evolved, grown and changed over the last century, but it seems that the overall order out of chaos agenda is still as it was.


typical lefty. a cease fire plays right into the terrorist stratigy. they want ot be able to attack israel anytime and kill people and as soon as israel strikes back they want to hide and beg for a cease fire. this would only help them, they would rebuild and attack israel again. israel has a right AND A DUTY to make sure this doesnt happen again.

im sick of anti semetism, they were attacked first and they respond and are the evil ones? hizabollah is laughing right now because it has the support of the world. truly sad. all hizabollah has to do is play into the middle east and european anti semetism and it wins. but its what i expected, its what europe and the middle east do, and the terrorist know how to play everyone, and sadly europe is full of people like you who buy into their b.s.

[MrLick]

As an American, I can second this point. It's absolutely true, though my government never told me it was. I wonder why?

Oh so bush called up the terrorist and said attack israel?

[green eyes88]

i never said that. the arabs are trying to do a holocaust on the jews.

oh, well u shouldnt say that either.
I live here and i dont think that. After learning so much about it, and having grandparents that are ww2 survivors, i know that there's no way we can even compare

[MrLick]

oh, well u shouldnt say that either.
I live here and i dont think that. After learning so much about it, and having grandparents that are ww2 survivors, i know that there's no way we can even compare

im not saying its like that, but its what many of these extremist want. and wish could happen again and are trying to make it happen, but since israel is so powerful they cant come close.

[green eyes88]

u know gazeboflossUK, u keep acting like you're showing the full picture, like u know everything that's going on and so u made up your opinion about things reading through articles like the ones u present here.
And u claim others are lead by wrong information?!
Half of that article is lies!
And, u only present one side of the story, and u say u know all the information- how come u neglect the fact the 8 isreali soldiers were killed yesterday?

[MrLick]

because to him that does not matter, he's been tricked by the terrorist. they are playing this war brilliantly.

[green eyes88]

Perhaps he's just being objective, unlike furious emotionally clouded natives.

the writer of this article is not objective, I dont believe anyone is objective when it comes to political opinions. Expressing your opinion as an outsider can mean u got all your information from different sources and made up your mind- so u were objective.
Writing an article of lies, that's subjective. And articles like this just show how the media is presenting israel as the evil one in the whole story

and i cant believe someone here once said that the media is pro israel. Whoever said that is obviously not watching enough news.

[green eyes88]

because to him that does not matter, he's been tricked by the terrorist. they are playing this war brilliantly.

that's true... he's the one that's most influenced by the media- and he claims we're the fools?

it's sad really....

[MrLick]

that's true... he's the one that's most influenced by the media- and he claims we're the fools?

it's sad really....

Exactly.

[huntjd]

no one ever said hypocrisy is non-existant. in gareth's case certainly not.

[cplayer]

What GazeboflossUK and most people seem not to understand is, israel didnt start this. they were attacked and attacked back. i could see why people would be mad if israel just went out looking for trouble, but its quite the opposite. trouble came to them and they had no choice but to act. its truly sad when people know this but still want to blame israel for what hizabollah started, this is EXACTLY what they wanted. they KNOW they couldnt do shit agaisnt israel's military, but they can turn the world even more agaisnt them and get support for themselves out of this. the sad part is many people are playing right into their bold stratigy. GazeboflossUK is just a prime example of this. suckered by the real bad guys. but i have to give them that they are playing this war brilliantly. all they had to do was prey on the mid east and europes hatred of the jews and thats exactly what they are doing. and once more the world is trying its best to hurt the jews, but its nothing new, people have been doing this for thousands of years.

[huntjd]

What GazeboflossUK and most people seem not to understand is, israel didnt start this. they were attacked and attacked back. i could see why people would be mad if israel just went out looking for trouble, but its quite the opposite. trouble came to them and they had no choice but to act. its truly sad when people know this but still want to blame israel for what hizabollah started, this is EXACTLY what they wanted. they KNOW they couldnt do shit agaisnt israel's military, but they can turn the world even more agaisnt them and get support for themselves out of this. the sad part is many people are playing right into their bold stratigy. GazeboflossUK is just a prime example of this. suckered by the real bad guys. but i have to give them that they are playing this war brilliantly. all they had to do was prey on the mid east and europes hatred of the jews and thats exactly what they are doing. and once more the world is trying its best to hurt the jews, but its nothing new, people have been doing this for thousands of years.

yeah. too true. welcome to the site by the way! good to see not everyone is against israel.

[cplayer]

Israel has some supporters, albeit a small amount, but its better then none.

[bart]

What GazeboflossUK and most people seem not to understand is, israel didnt start this. they were attacked and attacked back. i could see why people would be mad if israel just went out looking for trouble, but its quite the opposite. .
There is something very important missing here...
what about going into someones country and telling the people that have lived there for 1000's of years... 'its ours now'. As that part seems to be missing.... :rolleyes:

[huntjd]

There is something very important missing here...
what about going into someones country and telling the people that have lived there for 1000's of years... 'its ours now'. As that part seems to be missing.... :rolleyes:

whose country? surely you don't mean jews in israel?

[bart]

Yes.... they chose to dessert the place and go to europe and fruther a field......its was no longer rightlfully theres...
I suggest you read the bible, its very well documented in there espically around the old testement...

Also their recent actions seems to reflect old testament practices...
and they can not speak about suicide bombers, one of the most celebrated heros in the bible was sansom, where its written he killed over 3000 people... when he died...

[huntjd]

u are a fool. bart the jews went to europe because the babylonians exiled them from israel. know ur facts dude. and besides muslims came after jews. jews were there first ( before muhammed)

[bart]

Have u read the bible ??
you poorly educated redneck....

I think not as you will know, they rejected the land... and thats why the bobalyons moved in read the book of Daniel !
Oh I guess that would be too close to the truth, something of which you have trouble in grasping.. !

[bart]

also you are wrong on the bit about the israelis being their first, they were in eygpt before coming to isreal formally known as Canan and they eliminated the people from there... just like they did 50 years ago !

[huntjd]

i'm a poorly educated redneck? how can you judge that. i go to the best non selective school in victoria, and duxed my year level during end of year exams. Not to mention a mark of 92 in biblical studies, so know who ur talking to.

i guess ur palestinian, to say the jew rejected the land. speaking of rejection i'm not sure if my memory is correct but if i'm correct the palestinians rejected the '48 UN mandate as well as the 2000 Barak offer, which gave them control over jerusalem as well as about 40% of israel.

please know your facts dude, you only insult yourself not others being a pseudointellectual.

[bart]

OK then please point out the errors I have made that are written in the bible...
I am not palestinian but I strongly belive they should be treated better.... as humans not near humans as they currently are

[huntjd]

no. you tell me where it says we 'rejected' the land we were given after slavery in egypt ? because i cannot find a skeric of information hinting to such a conclusion. maybe you have missinterperetted information incorrectly.

[bart]

OK I might have used the wrong word slightly...
they sinned agaisnt god again and again.. and again...
all written in the books espically the book of kings and the books of the prophets that come after those books..

I have read the bible from start to finish each and every chapter in my time... they also killed jesus... but never comes out init ! that seems a bit of a rejection to me.....

[GazeboflossUK]

"half of that article is lies" , "you don't know what is going on" "ceasefire is playing into the hands of the terrorists"

What rubbish, utter horse shit.

1) You can't just SAY that all the news reports of the Isreali soldiers getting taken while in Lebanon isn't true without showing me otherwise. And I don't mean all the bullshit articles from lying corporate media that say it started with Hezbollah.

2) All these 'terrorists' are creations of the globalist western governments....be it from funding or actually taking over part of a country and then calling the resistance to it "terrorist groups". I'm sure Al-CIA-da will have something to say on the matter.....when they recieve the script from the US.

3) All this talk of "typical lefty" is nonsense. I'm not "right wing", I'm not "left wing".....I am for the truth...

4) and anybody talking about anti-semitism in regards to me is an idiot - not even worth the effort.

[bart]

well said !

[Jenjie]

Ladies & gentlemen, a reminder that debating the subject is fine, insulting each other is not.

[bart]

I still think these threads should be closed as the insults will continue... to many people feel to strongly about this issue...
Yes its all very intresting... however in the end it will end in tears... p

[Jenjie]

and there was me thinking the members of this board were grown up enough to hold a debate without resorting to personal insults. they usually manage it, so why should this time be any different?

[bart]

I dont know.... it goes back 1000's of years...

[huntjd]

bart, how dare you say 'the jews killed jesus' for gods sake he was a jew! jews dont kill jews.

[GazeboflossUK]

No, no you can't close this thread....I'm not harshly insulting people. I'm trying to inform/debate the current situation and what led up to this staged war but others seem to want to argue about religion and hide behind anti-semitism everytime a comment is made against the Isreali (US/UK) government.

People seem to be just ignoring the stacks of evidence that shows the initial 'trigger pull' for this conflict.

[Matan_18]

Ok my opinion from this thread is that
GazeboflossUK and Bart, you too are very pro-arabic and anti-semetic...
You just don't know what terror is, I am sure if that stuff happened in your countries you would never say "Hizbolla is not a terror organization", "it is all made up by your governments"
WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT???
Do you know that in the past 2 weeks they killed more than 50 Israeli civillians??? And don't write to me that we killed more Lebanese we only defend ourselves!!
And another tip: Check your sources again please..urgently!!

[GazeboflossUK]

Go, go away. Please.

I can't stand your "don't say that" "your not right" comments.

It's annoying.

I would say you should check your sources but no, you just choose to close your eyes and shout "no, no, no...your wrong" and don't supply a source. You believe what you want and I will continue to learn.....and I doubt this will change.


I said want to debate but not with you who actually called me "pro-arabic" (what?? Annoying!!) as well as "anti-semitic" again........



Infact, don't really want you to go. I just get really pissed at such oppertunism. I call an anti-semitism name called ban.

[Mimixxx]

No, no you can't close this thread....

We won't be... ;)

[GazeboflossUK]

We won't be... ;)

Thanks. Although sometimes I doubt it's even worth it.

[Matan_18]

Go, go away. Please.

I can't stand your "don't say that" "your not right" comments.

It's annoying.

I would say you should check your sources but no, you just choose to close your eyes and shout "no, no, no...your wrong" and don't supply a source. You believe what you want and I will continue to learn.....and I doubt this will change.


I said want to debate but not with you who actually called me "pro-arabic" (what?? Annoying!!) as well as "anti-semitic" again........




Ok I am sorry..
But I live in this country and please believe me that I know what's going on better than you.. You are saying Hizbolla is not a terror organization.. You said that we entered Lebanon and then they attacked us!! Those are lies!! I can assure you, I can't give you my sources ok? I have friends in the army who were there when it happened!!! So that's why what you say make me furious!! You just don't know, what makes you so sure that what you hear is so true?? I know it from the people who are there!!! and you don't believe me, you think we started attacking for no reason... that's why I call you that, sorry if you see that as an insult

[bart]

bart, how dare you say 'the jews killed jesus' for gods sake he was a jew! jews dont kill jews.
pretty much the reponse of denial I expected one that has been going on for 2000 years...
have u read the first 4 books of the new testiment ?

[huntjd]

im jewish. yeah sure i'll read them but to me they are null.

[bart]

Ok my opinion from this thread is that
GazeboflossUK and Bart, you too are very pro-arabic and anti-semetic...
You just don't know what terror is, I am sure if that stuff happened in your countries you would never say "Hizbolla is not a terror organization", "it is all made up by your governments"
WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT???
Do you know that in the past 2 weeks they killed more than 50 Israeli civillians??? And don't write to me that we killed more Lebanese we only defend ourselves!!
And another tip: Check your sources again please..urgently!!

how many inocent lebonise, palistians syaians, moslems, christains have been killed.
I am not anti- jew. I am of mixed heritage, that may be why I see two sides of a story as I have recently added to my signature....

I cant really blame the desperate acts of freedom of what people are doing out there, as its quite aparent they dont have a democratic or even human right to state otherwise...

oh yes... my news source is the bbc and the bbc only !

Source BBC.
At least 423 Lebanese and 51 Israelis have died in the violence since Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid on 12 July.

I remember reading in Genisis when Cain killed abel. God said to him if anyone harms you they will be paid back 7 fold. Its plain and simple to see this is whats happening...

[GazeboflossUK]

Ok I am sorry..
But I live in this country and please believe me that I know what's going on better than you.. You are saying Hizbolla is not a terror organization.. You said that we entered Lebanon and then they attacked us!! Those are lies!! I can assure you, I can't give you my sources ok? I have friends in the army who were there when it happened!!! So that's why what you say make me furious!! You just don't know, what makes you so sure that what you hear is so true?? I know it from the people who are there!!! and you don't believe me, you think we started attacking for no reason... that's why I call you that, sorry if you see that as an insult

I'm not accepting that you "know better than me".

I know hezbollah are killing aswell but the details about the start of this "war" aren't being told truthfully. This war is part of a greater agenda.

[Matan_18]

I'm not accepting that you "know better than me".



Where do you live??Where do I live?? You should accept it..
I am telling you I know what I know not only by the media!!! you do...
so If you say we started that war before the Hizballa even attacked us...(what I guess we should've done anyways), than your sources are not so true.
And even the anywhere I saw the news in the media, it's not as you are saying. Not on CNN or Skynews at least..
So anyway, if you choose not to accept that fact that I know better than you, or just the fact that Hizballa is a terror organization... it's your choise.

[GazeboflossUK]

Saying that you live there doesn't mean that know what is right.
I don't need to live there to read government documents about the need to have "large wars" for example.

I think that another "terror attack" will be created by the US/UK and then blamed on Hezbollah or on Al-'CIA'-da and then even more War and needless bloodshed can begin. Sad.


Liars..
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1042.shtml

[Matan_18]

Saying that you live there doesn't mean that know what is right.
I don't need to live there to read government documents about the need to have "large wars" for example.

I think that another "terror attack" will be created by the US/UK and then blamed on Hezbollah or on Al-'CIA'-da and then even more War and needless bloodshed can begin. Sad.


Liars..
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1042.shtml



But the problem is, in my opinion, that you just can't see the need for that war. I'll try to explain it to you, but don't get angry on me.
We know that Hizballa and the palestinian terror groups don't want us here, and they will do anything so we get away from here.
That's why we had to enter that war, to destroy the Hizballa somehow so they will stop shooting more than 100 missles on us everyday!! That's our need to that war, if we could avoid it we would do it in a second.
If you have any suggestions, you're welcomed to tell us, but please remember that we cannot(!!!) speak with them or make any agreements because they're not a country or so. If you find a better way say so..
thank you for reading..

[bart]

I have a suggestion.... someone like the Russians need to go in and inforce a buffer zone....
however they would be allowed to take direct action against anyone that fights.... I reckon they are the only army capable of not having a conflict of intrest and the brut force to stop this...
or someone bigger than us all needs to step in and say I AM IN CHARGE.... !

[berrywoman]

this thread has gone tits up!! :rolleyes:

--I'm still waiting for the US response to the UN bombing..

question: How does a cease fire play into the terrorists hands???

2) if a cease fire is so bad, why was Condi trying to work one out between Israel and Lebanon??

3) The Bible can't be taken for fact literally.... its been translated so many times, and they are only stories written by those who interpreted them differently from one another... right?

--I'm speaking factually here.. NOT what one 'believes' is true...... because that plays into faith and belief...AND for the record, I'm a Catholic. Doesn't mean I take everything in the Bible so literally and allow to be spoon fed by the Church either.

[GazeboflossUK]

Edited version below...

[berrywoman]

we're all living in the Matrix!!!!

[bart]

this thread has gone tits up!! :rolleyes:

--I'm still waiting for the US response to the UN bombing..


.
you will be waiting for a very long time....

[Matan_18]

Hello.
Ok....well.....I am actually not a very aggressive person at all so I will just say this: I think that this war is "staged" and is going to be used to start a war with Iran (the "October Suprise") - then onto World War III. I think what I have posted is accurate and correct....so I don't know what you want me to say.

I think that the US and the other global crime syndicate members saw this as great chance to aggravate and create a situation where they could lead the middle-east to a bloody warzone. Making Geoge Bush the "Wartime President" again....the wannabe dictator. This is a president who has changed the intent of law bills 800 times in 5 years. Which is many times more then previous presidents put together.
He's always protecting himself when he does this too.....changing the laws to keep himself less accountable.

I believe that they have lied about how and where these Isreali soldiers were caputred - it is very well documented that the Isreali troops were inside Lebanon.

So I don't know where this debate between us will go....it's a dead-end at present.

But I urge you to please look into it in a greater depth......it's all been thought of and organised in previous weeks and months. There is a small section of criminal "black-op" governmental people who are so money/power driven that they love this war and destruction as they are using it to organise complete control of the region - including the resources.



I don't really understand what you're trying to say, but I have never heard of any evidence that our forces were inside Lebanon when the Hizballa attacked 2 weeks ago.. They attacked, and that I know and I saw a video, inside the Israeli territory, this I promise you!!

and for berrywoman,
The ceace-fire that Condolisa Rice was up to, includes Hizballa to be an unarmed organization as a condition for a ceasefire..

[berrywoman]

you will be waiting for a very long time....


:rolleyes: it was a rhetorical question..


they know it doesn't look good for a precision missle to hit a clearly marked UN bunker.... I think it was deliberate... either that, or someone had their map backwards.

[berrywoman]

and for berrywoman,
The ceace-fire that Condolisa Rice was up to, includes Hizballa to be an unarmed organization as a condition for a ceasefire..



ahhhh so this condition would recognize the organization but with out arms? hmmm I'm surprised she even considered this...

[Matan_18]

ahhhh so this condition would recognize the organization but with out arms? hmmm I'm surprised she even considered this...



Ok the Hizballa is a political organization in Syria, and a terror organization in Lebanon. So if they want, they can continue to be there but unarmed.
Or just disappear that could be a better idea:rolleyes:

[amsterdam528]

I don't really understand what you're trying to say, but I have never heard of any evidence that our forces were inside Lebanon when the Hizballa attacked 2 weeks ago.. They attacked, and that I know and I saw a video, inside the Israeli territory, this I promise you!!

Just cause you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it's not there. Yes, we all know Hezbollah is attacking you too, so what will a video prove?

[Matan_18]

Just cause you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it's not there. Yes, we all know Hezbollah is attacking you too, so what will a video prove?


It does mean it's there because I have proof that they attacked us inside Israel..
ok I am got sick from this..

[bart]

:rolleyes: it was a rhetorical question..


they know it doesn't look good for a precision missle to hit a clearly marked UN bunker.... I think it was deliberate... either that, or someone had their map backwards.
Come on give me some credit my fellow coldplaying.com sister....

[amsterdam528]

It does mean it's there because I have proof that they attacked us inside Israel..
ok I am got sick from this..

I was referring to the evidence of Israeli soldiers inside Lebanon 2 weeks prior to the start of the conflict.

I know they attacked you inside Israel. I see it all the time on the news. It just doesn't mean that particular attack was the catalyst of everything.

[GazeboflossUK]

EDITED: I had some weird stuff going on when trying to edit the original.

But the problem is, in my opinion, that you just can't see the need for that war. I'll try to explain it to you, but don't get angry on me.
We know that Hizballa and the palestinian terror groups don't want us here, and they will do anything so we get away from here.
That's why we had to enter that war, to destroy the Hizballa somehow so they will stop shooting more than 100 missles on us everyday!! That's our need to that war, if we could avoid it we would do it in a second.
If you have any suggestions, you're welcomed to tell us, but please remember that we cannot(!!!) speak with them or make any agreements because they're not a country or so. If you find a better way say so..
thank you for reading..

Hello.
Ok....well.....I am actually not a very aggressive person at all so I will just say this: I think that this war is "staged" and is going to be used to start a war with Iran (the "October Suprise") - then onto World War III. I think what I have posted is accurate and correct....so I don't know what you want me to say.

I think that the US and the other global crime syndicate members saw this as great chance to aggravate and create a situation where they could lead the middle-east to a bloody warzone. Making Geoge Bush the "Wartime President" again....the wannabe dictator. This is a president who has changed the intent of law bills 800 times in 5 years. Which is many times more then previous presidents put together.
He's always protecting himself when he does this too.....changing the laws to keep himself less accountable. These are things that we haven't seen in a so-called "free society" until now.
America are using Isreal as the "thug" to do the things that he (Bush, more 'Dick' Cheney actually) couldn't quite get away with yet.

Bush told Iran months ago that if you don't let us stop you making nuclear power then we will have to use possible force. SO right on queue....here is Isreal blowing everything out of proportion to blame hezbollah and Iran.......It's so blatent.

I believe that they have lied about how and where these Isreali soldiers were caputred - it is very well documented that the Isreali troops were inside Lebanon.

So I don't know where this debate between us will go....it's a dead-end at present.

But I urge you to please look into it in a greater depth......it's all been thought of and organised in previous weeks and months. There is a small section of criminal "black-op" governmental people who are so money/power driven that they love this war and destruction as they are using it to organise complete control of the region - including the resources.

[cplayer]

There is something very important missing here...
what about going into someones country and telling the people that have lived there for 1000's of years... 'its ours now'. As that part seems to be missing.... :rolleyes:

Yeah except the fact there were more jews already living there then any other people. not to mention not many people lived their. They did not just walk in a steal the land, most of it was already owned by jews in that area. you seem to not know this. But we all can learn someting new everyday!:cool:

[cplayer]

Have u read the bible ??
you poorly educated redneck....

I think not as you will know, they rejected the land... and thats why the bobalyons moved in read the book of Daniel !
Oh I guess that would be too close to the truth, something of which you have trouble in grasping.. !

so he's a redneck because he does not agree with you? real mature.:rolleyes:

[cplayer]

OK then please point out the errors I have made that are written in the bible...
I am not palestinian but I strongly belive they should be treated better.... as humans not near humans as they currently are

You, really need to learn about this subject before you talk. The palestinians were second class citizens in the arab world and still are. They are treated just as bad by the other arab nations.

[cplayer]

Go, go away. Please.

I can't stand your "don't say that" "your not right" comments.

It's annoying.

I would say you should check your sources but no, you just choose to close your eyes and shout "no, no, no...your wrong" and don't supply a source. You believe what you want and I will continue to learn.....and I doubt this will change.


I said want to debate but not with you who actually called me "pro-arabic" (what?? Annoying!!) as well as "anti-semitic" again........



Infact, don't really want you to go. I just get really pissed at such oppertunism. I call an anti-semitism name called ban.

I seem to be reading many post you have made like that.

[cplayer]

how many inocent lebonise, palistians syaians, moslems, christains have been killed.
I am not anti- jew. I am of mixed heritage, that may be why I see two sides of a story as I have recently added to my signature....

I cant really blame the desperate acts of freedom of what people are doing out there, as its quite aparent they dont have a democratic or even human right to state otherwise...

oh yes... my news source is the bbc and the bbc only !

Source BBC.
At least 423 Lebanese and 51 Israelis have died in the violence since Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid on 12 July.

I remember reading in Genisis when Cain killed abel. God said to him if anyone harms you they will be paid back 7 fold. Its plain and simple to see this is whats happening...

No, Israel is going after Hizahollah for the last time. They are trying to destroy them forever. It has nothing to do with revenge, they keep getting attacked by the same people. So they are trying for the last time to completely destroy them. Something any nation has a right to and should do. Whenver a sovereign nation is attacked they have a right to defend themselves.

[amsterdam528]

Does anyone think that maybe by supporting the Lebanese government and making it stronger, they will be able to disband Hezbollah by other means? The majority of writers in the Op-Ed section of my newspaper seem to think so.

[Matan_18]

Does anyone think that maybe by supporting the Lebanese government and making it stronger, they will be able to disband Hezbollah by other means? The majority of writers in the Op-Ed section of my newspaper seem to think so.


Do you know they are not trying to disband Hizballa and they won't try that either...

[GazeboflossUK]

I seem to be reading many post you have made like that.

Well, when you deal with people who don't present any kind of decent argument without any supporting evidence and just called me anti-semitic then I kinda get a little bit defensive.....you nazi.














....see - I bet you felt a little angry when I said "you nazi".......I was just using it as an example of how easy it is to just call people "anti" <whatever>, hiding behind it, without any actual research shown.

[amsterdam528]

Do you know they are not trying to disband Hizballa and they won't try that either...

I didn't ask if they would try it, I asked if maybe it would work.

ugh I've almost had it with you people. :veryangry:

[Jenjie]

come on guys! lets leave the personal insults out of this. I know you're all capable of debating this without calling each other names.

[GazeboflossUK]

I really hope that people will.......but it's the constant "your anti-semitic" comments that really are offensive....especially after I have quite clearly stated otherwise on multiple occasions - that my problems are with their lying, criminal Government sections.
I was even called "Anti Jew, Pro Arab" at one point - I mean it's ridiculous.

Here I am trying to get to the truth of matters and people just shout out the "anti semitic" line at any opportunity.

I'll state for the last time....I am not Anti Jew or Anti American....but Anti Lies, Pro Truth.

I'm SO interested into showing people the real story that I couldn't ever become anti-semitic (or whatever) as it would cloud ability to see what actually is going on.
For spending a lot of time reading long offical government documents - that not many people I know do - and finding out that we are in this current state because of their own policies/agendas, I am called names....??? This is the world we live in today....where the real thinkers are pushed aside. (not saying I'm a genius for reading)

[cplayer]

Does anyone think that maybe by supporting the Lebanese government and making it stronger, they will be able to disband Hezbollah by other means? The majority of writers in the Op-Ed section of my newspaper seem to think so.

Considering about 1/5 of the lebanese goverment are in the terrorrist group and to most the people they are hero's. That would never work.

[cplayer]

Well, when you deal with people who don't present any kind of decent argument without any supporting evidence and just called me anti-semitic then I kinda get a little bit defensive.....you nazi.














....see - I bet you felt a little angry when I said "you nazi".......I was just using it as an example of how easy it is to just call people "anti" <whatever>, hiding behind it, without any actual research shown.

No, my first thought was how typical that was for you. I havent been around for long, but anyone can go read through the forum and see both sides equally attack each other like kids, you are not the only one, but you still do it.

[amsterdam528]

Considering about 1/5 of the lebanese goverment are in the terrorrist group and to most the people they are hero's. That would never work.

Fair enough. At least you gave me an answer, and I'm not educated enough on international politics to argue with it, so I won't.

[GazeboflossUK]

No, my first thought was how typical that was for you. I havent been around for long, but anyone can go read through the forum and see both sides equally attack each other like kids, you are not the only one, but you still do it.

I really try not to....if you were around when I started posting you would see nothing of the sort from me.....I wasn't the one who started the fighting......honestly I try not to bicker....I know it's not productive.

[LiquidSky]

All this crap really gives me a headache. It makes me feel that the end of the World is getting closer.. althought that has been said for years. All these wars never seem to end...ever.

[amsterdam528]

All this crap really gives me a headache. It makes me feel that the end of the World is getting closer.. althought that has been said for years. All these wars never seem to end...ever.


Ha, you'd think the people actually fighting the wars would get tired too... :\ Has there ever been one day of complete peace on this planet. Just one? :thinking:

[berrywoman]

No, my first thought was how typical that was for you. I havent been around for long, but anyone can go read through the forum and see both sides equally attack each other like kids, you are not the only one, but you still do it.


.. seeing as you just got here.. you seem to jump to conclusions rather quickly bout people who have been posting for years here.... :thinking:


What say you on this UN bombing?

[berrywoman]

I really try not to....if you were around when I started posting you would see nothing of the sort from me.....I wasn't the one who started the fighting......honestly I try not to bicker....I know it's not productive.

we all know who the 'kid' is on this forum... :rolleyes: Thank goodness he hasn't weighed in on much lately.

[Matan_18]

We are getting way off the topic here...

[MrLick]

I really try not to....if you were around when I started posting you would see nothing of the sort from me.....I wasn't the one who started the fighting......honestly I try not to bicker....I know it's not productive.

Once again you dont seem to know much about history.

[cplayer]

.. seeing as you just got here.. you seem to jump to conclusions rather quickly bout people who have been posting for years here.... :thinking:


What say you on this UN bombing?

I can easily jump to those conclusions because of every one of them is out there to read. All you had to do is do some research and you can see what is going on.

Israel fucked up big time, they got cocky and messed up. They will pay for their mistake.

[MrLick]

we all know who the 'kid' is on this forum... :rolleyes: Thank goodness he hasn't weighed in on much lately.

You're a funny kid. you try to use your age thing on me, yet you act like a kid. yes we all do know who the kid is on the forum, and she is the one who tries to use age to help her arguement.....you're a real mess.

[amsterdam528]

You're a funny kid. you try to use your age thing on me, yet you act like a kid. yes we all do know who the kid is on the forum, and she is the one who tries to use age to help her arguement.....you're a real mess.

Ahem!

come on guys! lets leave the personal insults out of this. I know you're all capable of debating this without calling each other names.

[LiquidSky]

No, my first thought was how typical that was for you. I havent been around for long, but anyone can go read through the forum and see both sides equally attack each other like kids, you are not the only one, but you still do it.

He didn't really use to do it before, but he is just annoyed right now because after making these type of threads there's always someone who starts insulting people just because they don't agree with them. It annoys you after a while.. plus, he just appologized for it. So give him a break.

[LiquidSky]

Ha, you'd think the people actually fighting the wars would get tired too... :\ Has there ever been one day of complete peace on this planet. Just one? :thinking:

Hmm that's a good question, but I doubt it.

[LiquidSky]

You're a funny kid. you try to use your age thing on me, yet you act like a kid. yes we all do know who the kid is on the forum, and she is the one who tries to use age to help her arguement.....you're a real mess.


You know.. She never gave out a name.

[chuck kottke]

I wonder about these wars.. If we could feel what the others involved feel, and cared enough not to cause such pain... So many times it looked like the fighting would end in the Holy Lands, and yet, here we go again..
Any end in sight?
It looks like not being careful in how one deals with matters can lead to more conflict in the long run. Being as careful as possible takes away the bad actor's ability to propagandize poor decisions, and most importantly, does a lot less harm to the innocent. Nothing's perfect, no matter how hard we try - but it helps to minimize the hurt to those innocent of wrongdoing.
If you win the will of the people, the bad actors won't be so welcome in familiar turf! A harsh and frequently forgotten lesson from the war in Iraq.
One Jewish writer recently remarked on a PBS TV program that he felt both the State of Israel and Palestine had become the modern analog to the Story of the Biblical Sampson. In trying to win the struggle against the Philistines, Sampson tore down the Temple, killing both Philistine and Jew alike. I hope it doesn't come to that!
Anyhow, looking for solutions to a tough problem, and hoping for the best.
With Sincerity,
-Chuck

[green eyes88]

pretty much the reponse of denial I expected one that has been going on for 2000 years...
have u read the first 4 books of the new testiment ?

u saying the jews killed jesus, 2000 years ago- even if it's true, doesnt make it right for ppl to go kill jews by millions, or say they dont deserve a country. It's neither here nor there...

[green eyes88]

how many inocent lebonise, palistians syaians, moslems, christains have been killed.
I am not anti- jew. I am of mixed heritage, that may be why I see two sides of a story as I have recently added to my signature....

I cant really blame the desperate acts of freedom of what people are doing out there, as its quite aparent they dont have a democratic or even human right to state otherwise...

oh yes... my news source is the bbc and the bbc only !

Source BBC.
At least 423 Lebanese and 51 Israelis have died in the violence since Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid on 12 July.

I remember reading in Genisis when Cain killed abel. God said to him if anyone harms you they will be paid back 7 fold. Its plain and simple to see this is whats happening...

u make israel sound like such a primitive country that goes by bible laws. We think the suicide bombers are the worst thing that could have ever happenned- just because the same thing happenned in the bible with Simson doesnt mean we accept it, or think it's right. I personally dont believe in the bible. And just becuase Simson happenned, doesnt mean a jew is gonna go on a bus and kill himself and kill arabs with him.

when israel attacks, it's simply to protect itself. Just because they were stupid enough to attack us when they have no shelter,, doesnt make it our fault

[green eyes88]

Well, when you deal with people who don't present any kind of decent argument without any supporting evidence and just called me anti-semitic then I kinda get a little bit defensive.....you nazi.














....see - I bet you felt a little angry when I said "you nazi".......I was just using it as an example of how easy it is to just call people "anti" <whatever>, hiding behind it, without any actual research shown.

i never said u were antisemetic, I'm just sick of u feeling like you're above everyone and think that governments are trying to hide everything from everyone and everything is just one big propagnda and u think you're the one that knows the truth and everyone else is a fool because they believe what they hear. When in fact, you're the one that seems to be influenced by the media the most. Which is trying to make israel seem like the big monster in all of this

[green eyes88]

Ha, you'd think the people actually fighting the wars would get tired too... :\ Has there ever been one day of complete peace on this planet. Just one? :thinking:

u think we're not sick of fighting??!
If there's something everyone wants here is peace- no parent wants to see their son go out to war, but sadly we have to defend ourselves.

[GazeboflossUK]

i never said u were antisemetic, I'm just sick of u feeling like you're above everyone and think that governments are trying to hide everything from everyone and everything is just one big propagnda and u think you're the one that knows the truth and everyone else is a fool because they believe what they hear. When in fact, you're the one that seems to be influenced by the media the most. Which is trying to make israel seem like the big monster in all of this

They ARE hiding most things and I'm not the only one who knows this, trust me there are millions of people who know.

I feel sorry for people who haven't yet realised what a terrible situation we are all in......if that makes me sound "above everyone" to you, so be it.....I don't care if it makes me come across this way - I know I'm not like that so I'll keep doing it until more people realise the truth.

Things I have been writing and reading about for many years have already turned out to be true and have happened already - so I know I'm on the right path.

Just stop saying that you 'think' I am the only one who knows the truth and go and find it out for yourself. Only by yourself can you really do it.

Who's to say you are right anymore than I am?? The thing is - I've seen and posted SO much documented evidence to support what I say.....

Don't argue with me, go away and look for yourself....and not just on this issue.

[bart]

u make israel sound like such a primitive country that goes by bible laws.


show me recent prof it hasnt !

[huntjd]

well first of all they have elections, unlike saudi arabia or syria. they give full rights to arabs who chose to be citizens, namely israeli arabs. they have only ever killed one person under the law and that was eichmann who was a nazi. but yes... i'm sure israel is living under bible laws... pffft

[green eyes88]

They ARE hiding most things and I'm not the only one who knows this, trust me there are millions of people who know.

I feel sorry for people who haven't yet realised what a terrible situation we are all in......if that makes me sound "above everyone" to you, so be it.....I don't care if it makes me come across this way - I know I'm not like that so I'll keep doing it until more people realise the truth.

Things I have been writing and reading about for many years have already turned out to be true and have happened already - so I know I'm on the right path.

Just stop saying that you 'think' I am the only one who knows the truth and go and find it out for yourself. Only by yourself can you really do it.

Who's to say you are right anymore than I am?? The thing is - I've seen and posted SO much documented evidence to support what I say.....

Don't argue with me, go away and look for yourself....and not just on this issue.

i'm not trying to argue with u, i know what i think and what i know so nothing u say will make me feel less for my country, it's just that sometimes u can across as having abit of an attitude with the way u say it

and, i'm not saying that i'm sute 100% that what i think is right. If i did than i wouldnt have been reading all the things that other ppl have to say. So when someone says something that is different from what i feel i dont start calling them fools....

[GazeboflossUK]

i'm not trying to argue with u, i know what i think and what i know so nothing u say will make me feel less for my country, it's just that sometimes u can across as having abit of an attitude with the way u say it

and, i'm not saying that i'm sute 100% that what i think is right. If i did than i wouldnt have been reading all the things that other ppl have to say. So when someone says something that is different from what i feel i dont start calling them fools....

Yeah...ok...fair enough.

Just some things I feel 100% on.

And I'm not trying to make you hate your country.....far from it. It's those in control of it.

Sorry to 'seem' like a bastard sometimes....but as I say, honestly I'm not.

[green eyes88]

show me recent prof it hasnt !

i once talked to a 12 year old girl from England was i was in austria at a ski trip (i was 14), and I told her that i was from israel. And when i was away it snowed in israel- that hardly ever happens. So when it snows we dont go to school and I was bumbed that I was missing jerusalem in the snow because it's really beautiful. Anyways, I told her school was cancelled because transprotasion stops when it snows because the cars arent equipped for snow conditions. And then she asked "Oh, u have cars in Israel?"
I was actually very offended by that, and by what u just said. Israel is a devolped country, is like the western countries. It's very advanced when it comes to all that comes to the democracy and is very different from the countried surrounding her. I think ppl have a picture of biblical times stuck in their head and see israel like this. Get that picture out of your head.

Again, it seems like you're throwing points out without showing proof of their exsistence. You did the same when u said that Israel is doing to the arabs what the nazis did to the jews in WW2. And when I asked for proof u said "I'll show u when I have time."
Now show me proof that israel is a primitive country that goes by biblical laws.

[berrywoman]

You know.. She never gave out a name.


:smug: thank you..... :kiss:

[GazeboflossUK]

He didn't really use to do it before, but he is just annoyed right now because after making these type of threads there's always someone who starts insulting people just because they don't agree with them. It annoys you after a while.. plus, he just appologized for it. So give him a break.

Thank you,

I mean it.

[berrywoman]

how many inocent lebonise, palistians syaians, moslems, christains have been killed.
I am not anti- jew. I am of mixed heritage, that may be why I see two sides of a story as I have recently added to my signature....

I cant really blame the desperate acts of freedom of what people are doing out there, as its quite aparent they dont have a democratic or even human right to state otherwise...

oh yes... my news source is the bbc and the bbc only !

Source BBC.
At least 423 Lebanese and 51 Israelis have died in the violence since Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid on 12 July.

I remember reading in Genisis when Cain killed abel. God said to him if anyone harms you they will be paid back 7 fold. Its plain and simple to see this is whats happening...

again I ask...

why do you take the Bible so literally?? Its not 'law' you know... lol The Bible also says that you should marry only once in your lifetime.. and that divorce is against all the religious beliefs set forth by the faith and henceforth those divorced shall never receive the Body of Christ again... HOWEVER... the Vatican now says its ok to be divorced now and receive Holy Communion!! ---so why do you still take the Bible as gold??


--ANYHOO... this thread is suppose to be about the Middle Eastern conflict, not religion.... step back Daryl!! I thought you weren't interested in this debate? :thinking:

[green eyes88]

Yeah...ok...fair enough.

Just some things I feel 100% on.

And I'm not trying to make you hate your country.....far from it. It's those in control of it.

Sorry to 'seem' like a bastard sometimes....but as I say, honestly I'm not.

i know you're not... i actually respect the fact that u do care and read about things and know what's going in the world (unlike some ppl who post things here when they barely have any background information)

and ppl always tend to come off as bustards when debating about politics. It's only natural ;)

[GazeboflossUK]

*Deleted*

(Would have caused to much arguing)

[huntjd]

i can understand what you are saying gareth. its people like bart who act totally irrational that make threads like this heated. at least you have sources and aren't prejudiced against the whole situation. besides anti globalism. if you know what i mean... at least you present them, whether or not i or others choose to take notice of them is our loss/gain.

[GazeboflossUK]

Good.

Yes, Indeed.

[huntjd]

*Deleted*

(Would have caused to much arguing)

hahaha. but now the argument will be why we would have argued in the first place any why you can show us it.... how dare you!? :P

[green eyes88]

did anyone see what was written? Is your response (huntjd) to what was written? :rolleyes:

[GazeboflossUK]

hahaha. but now the argument will be why we would have argued in the first place any why you can show us it.... how dare you!? :P

Haha, well it was a quote from Menachem Begin (Leader of the opposition in Isreal From 1948 to 1977)

It would have annoyed some people too much.

I didn't know how accurate it was so I dropped it.

[huntjd]

nah i didnt see. but i'm gonna go looking for Begin quotes on the net...

[GazeboflossUK]

Well, I saw it as part of a video.

[green eyes88]

i think i know more or less what you're talking about...

[berrywoman]

i can understand what you are saying gareth. its people like bart who act totally irrational that make threads like this heated. at least you have sources and aren't prejudiced against the whole situation. besides anti globalism. if you know what i mean... at least you present them, whether or not i or others choose to take notice of them is our loss/gain.


I think Daryl just wants to 'fit in' somewhere.... lol

--I for one appreciate Gareth's efforts, he's allowed me to further question certain events that have taken place in my own backyard.. and perhaps allowed me to see truths that I didn't want to see...

[huntjd]

daryl?

[Matan_18]

I don't want to ruin this "happy ending" for this thread, but there are still some things I don't agree with you GazeboflossUK...sorry

[amsterdam528]

I don't want to ruin this "happy ending" for this thread, but there are still some things I don't agree with you GazeboflossUK...sorry

I don't think anyone expected you to agree with him on everything, so I don't get how that could possibly be ruining a happy ending. :)

[MrLick]

You know.. She never gave out a name.

And your point is? She didnt have to. But it all remains the same, she tries to use her age to better her arguments and use my age against me, when she acts like a child.

[berrywoman]

^I wasn't referring to you Einstein.... :dozey: but if the shoe fits..... :nice:


huntjd: Daryl is 'bart'.. ;) which by the way Nick.. could very well be the person whom I was referring to..... OR not.. :P lol you're the one with 'crazy kid' on their user profile!! :lol:

carry on...

[MrLick]

^I wasn't referring to you Einstein.... :dozey: but if the shoe fits..... :nice:


huntjd: Daryl is 'bart'.. ;) which by the way Nick.. could very well be the person whom I was referring to..... OR not.. :P lol you're the one with 'crazy kid' on their user profile!! :lol:

carry on...

Yes and he happens to be awesome, not crazy. bit goofy but not crazy. but anyone with a mind could tell who you were talking about....

[berrywoman]

you think bart is awesome??? :stunned: I am sure he'll be chuffed to know you feel that way... lol

[amsterdam528]

Hezbollah politicians back peace package

By SAM F. GHATTAS, Associated Press Writer 27 minutes ago

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Hezbollah politicians, while expressing reservations, have joined their critics in the government in agreeing to a peace package that includes strengthening an international force in south Lebanon and disarming the guerrillas, the government said.

The agreement — reached after a heated six-hour Cabinet meeting — was the first time that Hezbollah has signed onto a proposal for ending the crisis that includes the deploying of international forces.

The package falls short of American and Israeli demands in that it calls for an immediate cease-fire before working out details of a force and includes other conditions.

But European Union officials said Friday the proposals form a basis for an agreement, increasing the pressure on the United States to call for a cease-fire.

President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair said Friday they too want an international force dispatched quickly to the Mideast but said any plan to end the fighting — to have a lasting effect — must address long-running regional disputes.

"This is a moment of intense conflict in the Middle East," Bush said after his meeting with Blair in Washington. "Yet our aim is to turn it into a moment of opportunity and a chance for broader change in the region."

By signing onto the peace proposals, Hezbollah gave Western-backed Prime Minister Fuad Saniora a boost in future negotiations.

Going into Thursday night's Cabinet session, Hezbollah's two ministers expressed deep reservations about the force and its mandate, fearing it could turn against their guerrillas.

"Will the international force be a deterrent one and used against who?" officials who attended the Cabinet meeting said in summing up Hezbollah cabinet ministers concerns. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the debate.

But afterward, Information Minister Ghazi Aridi announced that the package had been agreed on by consensus in a rare show of unity by a divided administration.

While all sides seemed to be looking for a way to stop the fighting, details of plans taking shape on all sides were still fuzzy. And it was not at all certain Hezbollah would really follow through on the Lebanese government plan that would effectively abolish the militants' military wing. It may have signed on to the deal convinced that
Israel would reject it.

But the agreement presents Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice with a package she might find hard to ignore when she returns to the region.

The plan approved by the Cabinet was an outline that Saniora presented at an international conference in Rome on Wednesday.

It starts out with an immediate cease-fire. Following that would come:

• the release of Lebanese and Israeli prisoners; Israeli withdrawal behind the border; the return of Lebanese displaced by the fighting.

• moves to resolve the status of Chebaa Farms, a small piece of land held by Israel and claimed by Lebanon. The proposal calls for the U.N. Security Council to commit to putting the area under U.N. control until a final demarcation of the border.

• the provision by Israel of maps of minefields laid during its 18-year occupation of the south.

• "the spreading of Lebanese government authority over the entire country," meaning the deployment of the Lebanese army in the south, with the strengthening and increasing of the small, lightly armed U.N. peacekeeping force currently there.

The provisions do not spell out the order in which the steps must take place, but Saniora has said the government cannot spread its authority in the south unless the Chebaa farms issue is resolved. Israel's hold on Chebaa has provided Hezbollah with a rationale to maintain its arsenal and its "resistance" against Israel.

U.N. experts have previously determined that the territory is part of
Syria's Golan Heights, now held by Israel. But Syria has said the patch of land is Lebanon's.

Also left undetermined is the contentious issue of the size and mandate of a peacekeeping force in the south. The current nearly 2,000-member force, deployed since 1978, is virtually ineffectual and its main task now is to patrol the Blue Line, monitor and report violations and deliver aid. Four U.N. border observers were killed in an Israeli airstrike this week.

The Lebanese government has previously rejected international demands that it disarm Hezbollah and move the army into the south. Without Hezbollah consent, the move could tear the country apart due to the movement's deep support among Shiite Muslims.

The rare united stand between Hezbollah and anti-Syrian politicians who dominate the government could give Lebanon a stronger say in any resolution of the conflict. A divided government may encourage unilateral U.N. Security Council action on the Lebanon crisis without consulting Beirut.

Visiting EU envoys, led by Finnish Foreign Minister Erkki Tuomioja, whose country currently holds the EU presidency, met Friday with Saniora and parliament speaker Nabih Berri, the de facto negotiator for Hezbollah.

Tuomioja, representing the EU Finnish presidency, said the troika appreciated the Lebanese government's plan which "we think forms a good basis for a regional agreement."




Terrorists want peace huh? Looks like someone deserves an apology.

[berrywoman]

hmmm I don't know.... this all seems so 'out of the ordinary'.. something just doesn't seem right.. but I hope its not all a ploy...

[amsterdam528]

Eh this whole conflict's been nothing but a ploy...:\ I really hope this is true. I really do; I WANT it to be.

[MrLick]

you think bart is awesome??? :stunned: I am sure he'll be chuffed to know you feel that way... lol

Who doesnt think he's awesome?

[chuck kottke]

Hello YamiMarik 528!
And, in synopsis, where do we stand? The Golan Heights might be a bit contentious, as it's a high spot whereby Hezbollah's rockets and mortars can rain down from (and have!). And, I think revolutionaries will always be revolutionaries. I wish I could believe we could obtain lasting peace in the region, but I would be happy with just a lot less severe warfare. 650,000 refugees - that's a lot for so small an area! And, I don't know if the US is willing to commit troops. Public opinion's against it, and the mid-terms are just around the corner. If what's here can be believed, it sounds encouraging.
What is your read on this??
Sincerely,
-Chuck

[MrLick]

Hello YamiMarik 528!
And, in synopsis, where do we stand? The Golan Heights might be a bit contentious, as it's a high spot whereby Hezbollah's rockets and mortars can rain down from (and have!). And, I think revolutionaries will always be revolutionaries. I wish I could believe we could obtain lasting peace in the region, but I would be happy with just a lot less severe warfare. 650,000 refugees - that's a lot for so small an area! And, I don't know if the US is willing to commit troops. Public opinion's against it, and the mid-terms are just around the corner. If what's here can be believed, it sounds encouraging.
What is your read on this??
Sincerely,
-Chuck

Its refreshing to see such an articulate person around here.

[cplayer]

I will...

Good article:


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WWIII and the New Status Quo Ante Agenda
Long term three world war agenda unfolding in the here and now

Steve Watson / Infowars | July 26 2006 (http://infowars.net/index.html)

Condoleeza Rice's statement today that a return to the 'political Status Quo Ante' is not an option is very revealing in terms of what we are to expect in the coming weeks months and years.

Despite the fact that every nation on the planet, barring the two globalist control centres of the US and the UK wants an immediate ceasefire and an end to the killing, a ceasefire is not what we are going to get.

What does this reveal about who is in control of modern political events? The elite few and not the many are running the entire show and what they say goes because they have the international bankers and their long established financial systems of enslavement onside to ply them with endless wealth to fund the killing and reap back the profits.

The political world is going to be changed for ever by a totally staged managed escalation of violence that will foment a pre-scripted third world war.

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The US media is for the most part hideously spewing out what will inevitably be written in the history books. Today's Chicago Times editorial (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0607260064jul26,1,4389591.story?coll=chi-opinionfront-hed) succinctly sums up the total falsehood that may become known as the catalytic event after 9/11 that started World War Three:

Hezbollah started this conflict by invading Israel and killing and kidnapping soldiers...

In reality it is the exact opposite that is the case. Israel sent troops over the Lebanese border into the South of the country and then claimed the captured invaders were "kidnap victims" and launched their attacks.

The Associated press (http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/12/ap2873051.html) reported this, The AFP (http://fr.news.yahoo.com/12072006/202/liban-le-hezbollah-capture-deux-soldats-israeliens-sept-autres-tues.html) reported this, the Hindustan Times (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hezbollah_soldiers.html) reported this, the Bahrain News Agency (http://english.bna.bh/?ID=47348) reported this, The Deutsche Presse-Agentur (http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/article_1180404.php/Hezbollah_back_in_the_spotlight_after_capturing_so ldiers) reported this, The Asia Times (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG15Ak02.html) reported this, voltairenet (http://www.voltairenet.org/article142056.html) reported this. in fact every foreign media outlet reported this, yet the US media reports that the exact opposite happened.

It has also now been revealed that Israeli spy networks, long in operation in Lebanon, were on alert, scoping out targets to be destroyed four days before (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/260706Spy.htm) the two Israeli soldiers were captured in Lebanon.

The Jeruslaem post (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1150885978380&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull) reported on the 12th of July that only weeks ago, an entire reserve division was drafted in order to train for the operation along the northern border. In the same report a very high ranking military officer said that if the captured soldiers were not returned in good condition, Israel would turn Lebanon back 20 years by striking its vital infrastructure.

Clearly whether the vital infrastructure of Lebanon was under the control of Hezbollah or not was not an issue for Israel.

"The IDF holds the Lebanese government responsible for any act of terror launched from Lebanon at Israel," a statement released by the IDF spokesperson read.

More from the Chicago Times:

If Hezbollah wants a cease-fire--and there's little evidence of that--it would be simple to accomplish...

Little evidence? What about the fact there was an immediate offer by Hezbollah to release the soldiers, as well as long term hostage and IDF soldier Gilad Shalit, in exchange for thousands of security prisoners? The offer of an immediate truce and talks has again been seemingly snubbed today by Israel.

Simple to accomplish? So what about the indiscriminate wiping out by Israel of Lebanese civilians, (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/240706Villagers.htm) the airport and even United Nations outposts, killing UN observers ON PURPOSE (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/260706Annan.htm) despite repeated warnings. (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1228804,00.html) What about the repeated statements, from the Prime Minister of Israel Ehud Olmert, that the bombing will not stop. (http://infowars.net/articles/july2006/250706Olmert.htm) Is all that a side issue?

The activities of Israel (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/240706worldwarthree.htm) are a fuse that has been lit to ignite the order out of chaos agenda in the middle east that will eventually lead to all out war, the systematic destruction of sovereignty throughout the region and endless globalist occupation and plundering. No one can now deny that the level the violence has been taken to is totally out of all proportion to the events used to justify it. Anyone can see that this has gone beyond a matter of destroying a loosely organized foreign movement. Even State leaders admit (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/160706putinsuspects.htm) the leadership of Israel is pursuing wider agendas.

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The globalist agenda for a third world war focused on the middle east has been long spoken of and written about.

In 1826; Captain William Morgan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morgan_(anti-Mason)) published an exposure of the powerful masonic movement that had been long infiltrated at the highest levels by the European Illuminati movement. Morgan decided it was his duty to inform all Masons and the general public what the full proof was regarding the Illuminati, their secret plans, intended objectives, and to reveal the identities of the masterminds of the conspiracy.

Morgan wrote:

World War III is to be fomented, using the so-called controversies; by the agents of the Illuminati operating under whatever new name; that are now being stored up between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world.

That war is to be directed in such a manner that all of Islam and political Zionism will destroy each other while at the same time; the remaining nations, once more divided on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion; physically, mentally, spiritually, and economically.

Zionism at this time was not an established term or movement, it was unheard of yet here we have a Mason writing openly about it as a future force in the world.

The writing of Albert Pike, (http://www.sspx-schism.com/Pike.htm#Three%20World%20Wars) the Grand Commander of American Freemasonry, later in 1871 also reveals the same Masonic/Illuminati agenda. Predicting both the first and second world wars would lead to the break up of Germany, the expansion of Communist Russia and the establishment of the State of Israel. The next 75 years and beyond unfolded exactly as Pike described.

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Pike wrote:

The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World,

The [third] war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. The rest of the world will be drawn in. "Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion...

Pike stated that after World War III is ended; those who will aspire to undisputed world-domination will provoke the greatest social-cataclysm the world has ever known, an all powerful malevolent unipolar world order. He stated that the agenda was to "unleash the nihilists and the atheists" and bring this about via "a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Essentially Pike foresaw that in order to bring about the Illuminati vision of an all conquering world government, the previously established strong hold religions must be pitted against each other AND against Atheist Communism, exhausting all beliefs and political systems to the point where the world cannot look back to the former Status Quo Ante and must await a new beginning.

The turmoil in the Middle East is the start of this new beginning.

The centre of power amongst the globalists, or "those who will aspire to undisputed world-domination" as Pike put it, may have shifted, evolved, grown and changed over the last century, but it seems that the overall order out of chaos agenda is still as it was.


There is something very intriguing about that picture you have. A few of those nations that "support" the cease fire are only saying that in the public. When in fact many Arab nations are secretly wanting Israel to continue and to win. Many countries the middle east do no want Iran to come out on top of this. This is a move by Iran to gain more power in the region and it scares many Sunni leader in that region. So behind the scenes nations like Saudi Arabia and other sunni ones are rooting for Israel. That is something most people do no know.

[Matan_18]

There is something very intriguing about that picture you have. A few of those nations that "support" the cease fire are only saying that in the public. When in fact many Arab nations are secretly wanting Israel to continue and to win. Many countries the middle east do no want Iran to come out on top of this. This is a move by Iran to gain more power in the region and it scares many Sunni leader in that region. So behind the scenes nations like Saudi Arabia and other sunni ones are rooting for Israel. That is something most people do no know.



You are right.. it was said here (in Israel) a couple of times..
Why can't they help us a bit???they let Israel do the "dirty work" in this conflict..
Ohh I have just heard what the Australian president said:
"Hizbolla is a terror group".. Glad to see there are other countries that know that!!

[cuteness]

R.I.P xXx L.E.B.A.N.O.N xXx

[berrywoman]

There is something very intriguing about that picture you have. A few of those nations that "support" the cease fire are only saying that in the public. When in fact many Arab nations are secretly wanting Israel to continue and to win. Many countries the middle east do no want Iran to come out on top of this. This is a move by Iran to gain more power in the region and it scares many Sunni leader in that region. So behind the scenes nations like Saudi Arabia and other sunni ones are rooting for Israel. That is something most people do no know.

where's Nick when you need him???... see this^^^^ is propaanda.. how do you know these countries are only saying this in public??? Are you some 'young prodical genius as well that knows all in the land??? God.. all we need now is a two faced Tampa boy running amuck...


please tell me you live in FL as well...... :uhoh: its Bizarro Nick!:stunned:(you never said your name btw)

[till-kingdom-come]

every1 is blaming hezbalah fgor this war as they kidnapped the two israley soldiers.. but how contradicting can one get.. israle have thousands of prisoners and lebanon or "HEZBALLAH" havent done anything against israle and also israle r willing to kill hundredes of their own civilians and lebanese civilians for these two soldiers.. and as a fact terrorism started in isral with jews if u study history you will kno that but yet we call the western islamic race terrorist so please im sick of people who do not kno history making stupid comments about this issue...........................

[till-kingdom-come]

GOD PROTECT LEBANON

[cuteness]

every1 is blaming hezbalah fgor this war as they kidnapped the two israley soldiers.. but how contradicting can one get.. israle have thousands of prisoners and lebanon or "HEZBALLAH" havent done anything against israle and also israle r willing to kill hundredes of their own civilians and lebanese civilians for these two soldiers.. and as a fact terrorism started in isral with jews if u study history you will kno that but yet we call the western islamic race terrorist so please im sick of people who do not kno history making stupid comments about this issue...........................

YEAHH EVERYONE GOO SUCK A FAT ONEEE
:smug: :smug: :smug:

[berrywoman]

:stunned:

[till-kingdom-come]

america didnt make al qaida muslim extremist did.....the conlfict with iran is irans fault, for being the BIGGEST state sponser of terrorist and wanting nukes.




sry mate but america did make al qaida george bush Snr was the one who gave bin laden weapons and he was gud friends with him,,, and he also gave soddum hussan weapons to attak other countries so the real terrosrist is AMERICA

[cuteness]

onceupon a time america was a good countryy *tsk*tsk*:dozey:

[till-kingdom-come]

thats possible. but i believe the biggest reason we are helping israel is because they have the same enemies as us...and were one of the nations that doesnt hate them because they are jewish. lets face the facts, the jews have been the most hated race, from thousands of years ago to today....its nothing new.



ur a ded set idoit ur country doesnt hate jews because it is run by jews and your blind if u dnt relize that.. ur poof president dsnt run america d jews do he wrks for them .. he culd have agreed to sign the UN treaty to allow the UN to get involved with the issue and begin peace talk but he sed no and then says u cant go against the UN decision when bak in 2000 or 2001 when he went into iraq he went against the UN decision.. and what does he do now that the UN where goin to go against his decision? he kills them using israle fire arms and they claim it to be an accident BULLSHIT

[berrywoman]

some one got served...... :uhoh:

[green eyes88]

1 woman was killed and 5 were injured in shootings in the jewish area in seattle.

I dont get it- just because ppl disagree with what's going on in israel doesnt mean jews around the globe need to be punished for it.
They say it was only one man that was insane that shot the ppl, and he wasnt connected to any organization, but the news reporter said it seems that they're saying that just to calm the ppl down....
i dunno...

[GazeboflossUK]

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Israelis Rain Down Deadly DU On Lebanese Civilians
Esteemed expert and whistleblower highlights US sale of GBU 28 weapons

Paul Joseph Watson | July 28 2006

Esteemed depleted uranium expert Dr. Doug Rokke is pointing the finger at Israel for using deadly and illegal depleted uranium munitions against the Lebanese people which were sold to them by the U.S. government - and calls for an immediate halt to the practice.

Dr. Doug Rokke's military career spanned four decades before he was appointed as the head of the US Army's investigative team into the assessment and teaching of the dangers of depleted uranium.

Dr. Rokke has been called upon as an advisor for the Centers of Disease Control, Department of Defense, National Academy of Sciences, Institute of Medicine, U.S Senate, U.S. House of Representatives, U.S. Department of Transportation, FAA, U.S. Department of Defense. U.S. General Accounting Office, Department of Veterans Affairs, British Royal Society, British House of Lords and House of Commons, United Nations, and Presidential Special Oversight Board.

Depleted uranium is a radioactive toxic poison - according to Wikipedia, "Depleted uranium is a byproduct of the enriching of natural uranium for use in nuclear reactors. When most of the fissile radioactive isotopes of uranium are removed from natural uranium, the residue is called depleted uranium."

Depleted uranium is indiscriminate in who it targets. During an appearance on the Alex Jones Show, Dr. Rokke described some of the effects of depleted uranium - a battlefield weapon that once used can never be cleaned up and remains in the atmosphere for eternity.

WATCH THE EXPERT SPEAK IN THIS VIDEO HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-8PlJVhogs&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eprisonplanet%2Ecom%2Fartic les%2Fjuly2006%2F290706deadlydu%2Ehtm)

"What we know from first hand experience and what happened to those of us in Gulf War I and when we did our research for the US Army - the first thing that hits you is respiratory problems, then you have the rashes, then you start having permanent lung damage within a few months because of radiation and chemical toxicity, then you have neurological problems, then you have gastrointestinal problems."

"You have decalcification of the bones and the teeth - then you have all the eye problems due to the alpha and beta damage to the eyes - and then the cancers, the leukemia and everything else," said Rokke.

"It's catastrophic, the US Army briefing the Pentagon leaders prior to Gulf War II in 2002 flat out acknowledged all of the problems yet they disregard them and say that they don't exist in public."

Following the bombing of Afghanistan a scientific study by British scientists (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/070306poison.htm) Dr. Chris Busby and Saoirse Morgan concluded that high levels of depleted uranium had contaminated Europe, having drifted on air currents from the Middle East and Central Asia.

Rokke said the Israelis first used depleted uranium munitions against the Egyptians during the Arab-Israeli war in 1973-74.

He outlined the path to the Israeli use of depleted uranium munitions, the 'civilized world's' dirty bombs, in Lebanon over the last two weeks.

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Extreme birth deformities across Iraq and the Balkans are attributed to indiscriminate use of depleted uranium.

"The US Army confirmed they had used over 500 tons of uranium munitions just in the first two months in Iraq - that's the shock and awe - the US Army thoroughly confirmed in that the GBU 28 - which is a precision guided bomb if you will - 5,000 pounds of explosives contains a uranium warhead - again these are the bunker busters," said Rokke.

"Well low and behold last week guess what the United States delivered to Israel - over 100 GBU 28's to use against targets in Lebanon."

"The Army thoroughly confirmed that its a radioactive bomb and the shrapnel is there after its use and it's a problem and everything else so it's all there."

"So now we have photographic confirmation - and I want to repeat - photographic confirmation of Israeli tankers loading uranium rounds into Israeli tanks and using them in Lebanon," Rokke told Jones.

"What we have now is deliberate use of radioactive munitions, depleted uranium munitions, which are illegal according to the United Nations."

"We've got all the Lebanese being effected, all the women and children being affected, all the Israelis being effected, and the areas over there are so small you're going to have the whole region effected and contaminated."

"We knew about the GBU 28 delivery, we knew that was a given thing - now we were looking at the damage that's being done to Lebanon and all the damage indicates DU but until we actually got the full photograph of the DU round being loaded by an Israeli tank gunner we didn't have that and that came in yesterday," said Rokke.

The photographs of Israeli soldiers loading DU munitions were strangely deleted from numerous different news websites shortly after they were published but we were able to retrieve these smaller versions from the Getty archive which are captioned below.

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LEBANESE BORDER, ISRAEL - JULY 14: An Israeli army soldier carries armor-piercing ammunition as he loads his tank ahead of possible action against Hezbollah militants July 14, 2006 on Israel's northern border with Lebanon. Israel has stepped up its action against Hezbollah targets in an effort to drive the Islamic militants from the border and to force the return of two soldiers captured by the group in a cross-border attack two days ago on July 12. (Photo by David Silverman/Getty Images)

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LEBANESE BORDER, ISRAEL - JULY 14: Israeli army tank crew load their Merkeva tanks with armor-piercing ammunition as they prepare for possible action against Hezbollah militants July 14, 2006 on Israel's northern border with Lebanon. Israel has stepped up its action against Hezbollah targets in an effort to drive the Islamic militants from the border and to force the return of two soldiers captured by the group in a cross-border attack two days ago on July 12.

Rokke expands on Israeli use of depleted uranium mission in an article in which he states that, "the use of uranium weapons is absolutely unacceptable, and a crime against humanity. Consequently the citizens of the world and all governments must force cessation of uranium weapons use. I must demand that Israel now provide medical care to all DU casualties in Lebanon and clean up all DU contamination."

On Tuesday we carried a video of Lebanese doctors (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/250706ethniccleansers.htm) describing injuries to children as showing all the hallmarks of phosphorous - a chemical weapon also highly contentious in battlefield use.

In a related development, former NSA official Wayne Madsen was told by his sources (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2006/290706deadlydu.htm) that the Israelis deliberately targeted and killed four UN observers because they had obtained knowledge of Israeli atrocities being perpetrated against the Lebanese population.

[GazeboflossUK]

1 woman was killed and 5 were injured in shootings in the jewish area in seattle.

I dont get it- just because ppl disagree with what's going on in israel doesnt mean jews around the globe need to be punished for it.
They say it was only one man that was insane that shot the ppl, and he wasnt connected to any organization, but the news reporter said it seems that they're saying that just to calm the ppl down....
i dunno...

Of course, your right.

But that's just one uneducated man.

[GazeboflossUK]

Lebanese Die as Condi Plays Piano in Malaysia

Kurt Nimmo | July 28 2006

It is certainly a myth that Nero played a fiddle while Rome burned—since the violin was not invented for a full fifteen centuries after his rule—but it is true Condi Rice, Bush’s Secretary of State, played the piano in Kuala Lumpur as Lebanese continue to die under a hard rain of Israeli bombs and apparently chemical weapons, a situation allowed to continue after Condi nixed the “false promise” of a cease-fire and thumbed her nose at the Syrians and Hezbollah.

“In keeping with her ’serious’ mood the Secretary of State performed two pieces from the brooding repertoire of Johannes Brahms—a solo Intermezzo number two, and Brahms Sonata for violin and piano, opus 108, with a Malaysian guest soloist,” reports the Gulf Times. “She arrived at the Istana hotel in downtown Kuala Lumpur for the annual gala dinner wearing a glamorous red dress and red jacket made of traditional Malaysian batik material…. Regional ministers swooned over the performance as they left the dinner. ‘Oh, beautiful, beautiful. She’s a great pianist. She’s a concert pianist,’ said Philippines Foreign Secretary Alberto Romulo, who insisted that despite the geopolitical realities a good time was had by all.”

How utterly disgusting.

Of course, the Lebanese, facing “the geopolitical realities” of Israeli aggression and indiscriminate murder, are not having a good time, but then they hardly matter, as became obvious the moment Rice’s plane touched down and she engaged in “discussions” with the Israelis, talks designed to do little more than provide the Israelis with more time to kill Lebanese civilians.

Once upon a time, U.S. officials at least put on a somber face when engaging in peace talks during international crises, but Condi simply could not be bothered—she smiled and joked at every turn, even yucked it up during photo ops with Kofi Annan.

Meanwhile, over at the New York Times, the terror transformation is in full swing. According to Neil MacFarquhar, so-called analysts believe “by taking on Israel, Hezbollah had instantly eclipsed Al Qaeda,” in other words, the two groups—or one legitimate resistance group, since “al-Qaeda” is a black op designed to scare the pants of weak-kneed and half-witted Americans—are in a race of sorts to see who is the baddest terrorist.

Over at Fox, they are involved in race of their own—to blur the lines between Hezbollah and “al-Qaeda,” the terrorist group nobody can demonstrate actually exists.

“The latest dispatch from the Al Qaeda killers urges all Islamic fascists to travel to the Middle East and kill Jews. Bin Laden’s second in command, Zawahiri, issued that order on videotape yesterday,” avers Fox News loudmouth Bill O’Reilly, who has “been telling you all along that these jihadists are joined together by hatred of Jews and Americans. The World War III concept is that Islamic fascism has to be confronted in all its forms.”

Problem is, though, most Americans are not onboard with this “Islam as fascism” paradigm—more accurately a crude and absurd propaganda device—trotted out like a gaudy frat house float during a homecoming parade now that Hezbollah is kicking IOF tail.

“But many Americans do not yet get that, as the CBS poll demonstrated,” continues the arrogant one, puffed up grotesquely with poisonous neocon hubris. “If anybody thinks we can sit out the jihad, they’re wrong. Right now, Israel is doing us a favor by attacking Hezbollah. We Americans are fortunate we have an ocean between us and the Islamic killers. If we didn’t, we’d be facing this in the good old USA…. So bottom line, whoever is fighting the terrorists is our friend. Whoever is helping them is our enemy.”

Need he say more?

[Maldini]

thanks alot, that's very respectful of u... (-_-)


I'm sorry if you fell that like an insult and I'm really sorry
But it's the fact and it's like when the Israely Hakhams allowed the army to kill Civilians people in Lebanon

[Maldini]

you're just ignorant. And it's easy to speak when you're not the one that may be affected.
Plus, I dont think we need an excuse to have out own county, I think it's our right as a nationality. And the UN ageed, so your words dont mean much to me


I'm not ignorant and I think I'm very affected by what happened.My country sufered so much with Israel.I think you fell now [ How people fell when their houses get bombing by Israel since 1948

If every race have a right to make there own country then there will be more than 1000 countries

[Maldini]

Jews now not a race it just a religion

There are jews from every country so how you bring Jews from Russia,Europe.Africa and Arabic country and say those people are a race

[green eyes88]

I'm not ignorant and I think I'm very affected by what happened.My country sufered so much with Israel.I think you fell now [ How people fell when their houses get bombing by Israel since 1948

If every race have a right to make there own country then there will be more than 1000 countries

it's not just now- i've been feeling hurt all my life...

maybe u dont know, but ever since israel was founded in 1948 we've been at was and being attacked. I think we only survived because we have a strong army. I believe that if we have reacted otherwise israel would have been long gone by now. I do critisise some of the things that my government decided, especially after being open to alot of other ppl's opinions in the last few weeks, but still, i'm gonna stand by my country and its decisions, because we are still here. So they must be doing something right...

[green eyes88]

Jews now not a race it just a religion

There are jews from every country so how you bring Jews from Russia,Europe.Africa and Arabic country and say those people are a race

i agree judaism is a relgion- claiming it's a race is what the nazis did.

But i think we've come to being a nationality- the isreali nation, which is a jewish nation. So that's how I see it...

[Maldini]

Ok 2 things:
1. The jews around the world do suffer from anti-semitic!! I hear a lot of times of burnings Temples(of the jews), jews graveyards...
2. Who spoke about not having the jew country-Israel. It's a fact and accept it!!
We want to live in peace with our Arab neighbours but they(and you people) don't understand it...


1-It's not a reason to occupation a land and establish a country

2- it's like as you take a apartment in violence and ask who own this apartment to live together

[Maldini]

it's not just now- i've been feeling hurt all my life...

maybe u dont know, but ever since israel was founded in 1948 we've been at was and being attacked. I think we only survived because we have a strong army. I believe that if we have reacted otherwise israel would have been long gone by now. I do critisise some of the things that my government decided, especially after being open to alot of other ppl's opinions in the last few weeks, but still, i'm gonna stand by my country and its decisions, because we are still here. So they must be doing something right...


Israel not attacked by no reason.Israel attacked because the occupation

[green eyes88]

Israel not attacked by no reason.Israel attacked because the occupation

ok, offer me a sollution

give me a raional sollution that would stop the attacks.

[Maldini]

i agree judaism is a relgion- claiming it's a race is what the nazis did.

But i think we've come to being a nationality- the isreali nation, which is a jewish nation. So that's how I see it...


What's established on nullity base became a nullity thing

[green eyes88]

What's established on nullity base became a nullity thing

what are u implying?

[Maldini]

ok, offer me a sollution

give me a raional sollution that would stop the attacks.


The Palestinians get back Jerusalem as a capital and I will not say Palestinians make a country and Israelians make acountry

I will say the both of them live together on the same land

[green eyes88]

we do live together in the same country. They dont accept us, they want us out and thats why they keep attacking

the only way to stop the war, as i see it, is by the destruction of israel, and that aint gonna happen. ]

so this really does feel like a dead end situation. :(

[Maldini]

what are u implying?

When Israel established on occupied land it was wrong so the nationality which came from the Israel state became wrong to

[green eyes88]

When Israel established on occupied land it was wrong so the nationality which came from the Israel state became wrong to

what do u mean?

how can a nationality be "wrong"?

[Maldini]

we do live together in the same country. They dont accept us, they want us out and thats why they keep attacking

the only way to stop the war, as i see it, is by the destruction of israel, and that aint gonna happen. ]

so this really does feel like a dead end situation. :(

No,they still attacking Israel because they still didn't get back what was stolen since 1948

If they get back Jeursalem I'm sure they will not fight again

[Maldini]

what do u mean?

how can a nationality be "wrong"?


Nationality can be wrong IF the establishing of the state was wrong

[green eyes88]

getting back what they had before 1948 would be giving up the whole of israel!!

i think you're confusing '67 with '48

[green eyes88]

Nationality can be wrong IF the establishing of the state was wrong

how is it your place to determine whether the establishment of a state was wrong or right??

[Maldini]

getting back what they had before 1948 would be giving up the whole of israel!!

i think you're confusing '67 with '48


I don't mean it exactly I mean Just Jerusalem

[green eyes88]

I don't mean it exactly I mean Just Jerusalem

there are paletinians in jerusalem, lots of them. Along side with jews.

I would know, I live in jerusalem.

[Maldini]

how is it your place to determine whether the establishment of a state was wrong or right??

When I tack an emty place to establish a country it's ok
When I make a revoloution and make a new system it's ok

But when I occupied land and establish a country it's wrong

[green eyes88]

why are u so fixed on jerusalem?

and rest assured that even if parts of the jerusalem are given back, i'm positive the attacks wont stop until they get it all back

[green eyes88]

When I tack an emty place to establish a country it's ok
When I make a revoloution and make a new system it's ok

But when I occupied land and establish a country it's wrong

so u think it was wrong of the americans to take the land from the native americans?
No land was ever completly empty, almost all the countries were conquered and maybe established over a minority that may have been there before. That's no reason to stay at war for half a century.

[green eyes88]

oh, and what u just said has nothing to do with the fact that i see judaism as part of the israeli nationality

[Matan_18]

1-It's not a reason to occupation a land and establish a country

2- it's like as you take a apartment in violence and ask who own this apartment to live together





1. We had that country first, but I'm not going to get into that.
2. It's our country, if we want to live with them but they do not want it!!
And about Jerusalem, we give them a finger, and they want the whole hand..

[horizon]

I'm sure that if middle east were a peaceful land (where Iran don't threat Israel with atomic bomb), Israel would stand within its borders. Until estremists will be so influent, Israel will never be certain of its safety.

It's necessary to marginalize estremists (hezbollah, hamas, Ahmadinejad), even with strenght if it needs. But unilateral action is wrong and against international law. The international community should act to disarm terrorists and estremist. And I wish, in particoular, the involvement of islamic and arabian democracies. Waiting for the international action, I admit that it's hard for Israel to be stuck watching that your neighbours threat you!


p.s. surely Jerusalem, Nazareth were israel land first

[cplayer]

where's Nick when you need him???... see this^^^^ is propaanda.. how do you know these countries are only saying this in public??? Are you some 'young prodical genius as well that knows all in the land??? God.. all we need now is a two faced Tampa boy running amuck...


please tell me you live in FL as well...... :uhoh: its Bizarro Nick!:stunned:(you never said your name btw)

Its Sunni vs Shiite in the middle east. The Sunni controlled nations are worried about a Shiite nation being on top. But anything is propaganda, its just how you look at it. Dont get me wrong, they all hate Israel, but they are more worried about a Shiite nation getting on top. This isnt just my opinion though, this is well known by many scholars. This is a example of people looking at the news and not knowing what is going on behind the scenes, it happens way too often. Who said i was young? Im not. But that has nothing to do with this. I live in Denver and my name Clay. And who are you? Just some advice for you, don't assume things about people, it will only come back to bite you in the ass.

[cplayer]

sry mate but america did make al qaida george bush Snr was the one who gave bin laden weapons and he was gud friends with him,,, and he also gave soddum hussan weapons to attak other countries so the real terrosrist is AMERICA

America armed the Taliban.

[horizon]

America armed the Taliban.

they armed even Saddam, during the war between Iraq and Iran (1980-1988)

[berrywoman]

Its Sunni vs Shiite in the middle east. The Sunni controlled nations are worried about a Shiite nation being on top. But anything is propaganda, its just how you look at it. Dont get me wrong, they all hate Israel, but they are more worried about a Shiite nation getting on top. This isnt just my opinion though, this is well known by many scholars. This is a example of people looking at the news and not knowing what is going on behind the scenes, it happens way too often. Who said i was young? Im not. But that has nothing to do with this. I live in Denver and my name Clay. And who are you? Just some advice for you, don't assume things about people, it will only come back to bite you in the ass.

how is this relevant to my question??? I simply asked how you 'know' this and you return with 'its a fact and everyone knows this' .... if everyone knows this, then why is it news????

furthermore....one could same the same for you... assuming I don't know who YOU are "Clay".... :rolleyes: I wasn't aware there was a city named Tampa in Colorado....

did something just bite YOU in the ass......?????

[Matan_18]

[quote=horizon]I'm sure that if middle east were a peaceful land (where Iran don't threat Israel with atomic bomb), Israel would stand within its borders. Until estremists will be so influent, Israel will never be certain of its safety.

It's necessary to marginalize estremists (hezbollah, hamas, Ahmadinejad), even with strenght if it needs. But unilateral action is wrong and against international law. The international community should act to disarm terrorists and estremist. And I wish, in particoular, the involvement of islamic and arabian democracies. Waiting for the international action, I admit that it's hard for Israel to be stuck watching that your neighbours threat you!



YOU ARE ABSOLUTLEY RIGHT!!!
(By the way I am going to Italy tomorrow so I won't be here for a few weeks..)

[cplayer]

how is this relevant to my question??? I simply asked how you 'know' this and you return with 'its a fact and everyone knows this' .... if everyone knows this, then why is it news????

furthermore....one could same the same for you... assuming I don't know who YOU are "Clay".... :rolleyes: I wasn't aware there was a city named Tampa in Colorado....

did something just bite YOU in the ass......?????

I guess you are not big on manners. I said nothing about Tampa. I said i live in Live in Denver Colorado. How I know this is because of research, and looking behind the scenes. Ive taken classes on the Middle East and rely on scholars for my info. You seem to be taking all this at face value, when the majority of what is going on is behind the scenes. I never said everyone knows this, because the majority of people do not, this type of knowledge is held by people who spend alot of time studying this type of stuff. I suggest you go back and read better. I dont know why you are so hostile towards me. Where i come from manners are very important. But we are not all raised the same. I do however you find funny how you doubt my name? Do you think you know more about my name then I do? I would suggest you grow up, this hostility is not how adults should be acting. Did i say something to upset you?

[cplayer]

they armed even Saddam, during the war between Iraq and Iran (1980-1988)

Yes America did.:veryangry2:

[GazeboflossUK]

Yep, it's always the case, arming countries - then making them the enemy and then demanding that they be disarmed by force.....which in turn destroys the country and has all of it's money assets (oil etc..) stolen.

At the same time making the Bush/Bin Laden family millions on construction contracts through the Carlyle Group (from building of bases etc)

[GazeboflossUK]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/middle_east_enl_1154266225/img/laun.jpg

Dozens killed in Lebanon air raid

More than 54 civilians, at least 34 of them children, have been killed in a town in south Lebanon in the deadliest Israeli strike of the conflict so far.
Displaced families had been sheltering in the basement of a house in Qana, which was crushed after a direct hit.

Lebanon's prime minister denounced "Israeli war criminals" and cancelled talks with the US secretary of state.

......the story contimues here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5228224.stm

[berrywoman]

I guess you are not big on manners. I said nothing about Tampa. I said i live in Live in Denver Colorado. How I know this is because of research, and looking behind the scenes. Ive taken classes on the Middle East and rely on scholars for my info. You seem to be taking all this at face value, when the majority of what is going on is behind the scenes. I never said everyone knows this, because the majority of people do not, this type of knowledge is held by people who spend alot of time studying this type of stuff. I suggest you go back and read better. I dont know why you are so hostile towards me. Where i come from manners are very important. But we are not all raised the same. I do however you find funny how you doubt my name? Do you think you know more about my name then I do? I would suggest you grow up, this hostility is not how adults should be acting. Did i say something to upset you?

:lol: you always seem to think I am upset NICK..... you have really bad insincts lol you're totally off the mark here...

give it up.. we know you are using multiple user names just to stir the pot here. Intentionally playing on the emotions of others on such a sensitive topic is definitely frowned upon here.... pick a username and a side and stick to it.

Let it be known people..... don't be fooled by this character... we all know that multiple users is also prohibted in this forum when used in a malicious manner... I would say this is one of them.
We're all watching you... we've been watching you... and now you've had your warning. There's no need to try and deny it.... we have all the proof we need.

thank you.. and good day.

:nice:

[Maldini]

why are u so fixed on jerusalem?

and rest assured that even if parts of the jerusalem are given back, i'm positive the attacks wont stop until they get it all back


If you give back all lands without Jerusalem they will keep fighting because Jerusalem have a special place in our hearts

[Maldini]

there are paletinians in jerusalem, lots of them. Along side with jews.

I would know, I live in jerusalem.

There are many Palestinians live in Jerusalem but they aren't control it

I mean they bring it back if they ruled it

[Maldini]

so u think it was wrong of the americans to take the land from the native americans?
No land was ever completly empty, almost all the countries were conquered and maybe established over a minority that may have been there before. That's no reason to stay at war for half a century.


At first who took the land you can't call them Americans because they are Europeans people and I think what they do consider to me [ from my point of view ] as an invasion but it was before the UN.I mean before enforced the laws of Intrnational Law

When country invasion other country,it was from old times not now

[Maldini]

oh, and what u just said has nothing to do with the fact that i see judaism as part of the israeli nationality


Ok,I respect your point of view

[Maldini]

1. We had that country first, but I'm not going to get into that.
2. It's our country, if we want to live with them but they do not want it!!
And about Jerusalem, we give them a finger, and they want the whole hand..


1- I don't think you had it first [ as history say ]

2- you must upside down this situation if you want from them to live with you

[Maldini]

34 CHIDLDREN AMONG 56 DEAD IN ISRAELI STRIKE

QANA, Lebanon - Israeli missiles hit several buildings in a southern Lebanon village as people slept Sunday, killing at least 56, most of them children, in the deadliest attack in 19 days of fighting. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert expressed "great sorrow" for the airstrikes but blamed Hezbollah guerrillas for using the area to launch rockets at Israel, and said he would not halt the army's operation

[GazeboflossUK]

Yeah, I posted that on the last page.

Olmert said he needs another 16 days of attacks. Terrorist.

[Maldini]

Do you know something GazeboflossUK?

With Israel you must waiting any dirty works

[wille]

israel is bad gay in this mess. im a pacifist
im not saying that what lebanon does would be right but
i thin this on there side becouse israel attact to lebanon becouse usa has know a reason to attact iran and other contrys in midel east

[Ergf]

34 CHIDLDREN AMONG 56 DEAD IN ISRAELI STRIKE

QANA, Lebanon - Israeli missiles hit several buildings in a southern Lebanon village as people slept Sunday, killing at least 56, most of them children, in the deadliest attack in 19 days of fighting. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert expressed "great sorrow" for the airstrikes but blamed Hezbollah guerrillas for using the area to launch rockets at Israel, and said he would not halt the army's operation

whow ... olmert is sorry ... lets all forget about this and forgive the israelic army.


this is yet another sick assault like we always have in wars.:disappointed:

[Matan_18]

ISRAEL IS VERY SORRY FOR THOSE LEBANESE PEOPLE WHO DIED... yes we are sorry, we are not aiming on the civillians on purpose!!
And I can really understand the sorrow of the Lebanese people..they are very poor now..
but WHAT CAN WE DO THAT THOSE FUCKING HIZBOLLA TERRORISTS ARE HIDING AND SHOOTING MISSILES FROM THOSE VILLAGES?!?!?!?!?! Those civillians let them shoot missles from their homes!!!!! I am not saying that they should die for that, but still, we only want to kill those terrorists and I guess that the missles that hit those civillians today wasn't aimed there anyway..
BUT YOU PEOPLE JUST CAN'T SEE THE POINT THAT THE HIZBOLLA IS USING THE CIVILLIANS AS HUMAN SHIELDS??? HOW CAN'T YOU SEE IT?!?!? What they are doing is a "crime against humanity"..
Yes and I really don't agree or happy with that mistake that happened today, it was a terrible thing..

[Ergf]

ISRAEL IS VERY SORRY FOR THOSE LEBANESE PEOPLE WHO DIED... yes we are sorry, we are not aiming on the civillians on purpose!!
And I can really understand the sorrow of the Lebanese people..they are very poor now..
but WHAT CAN WE DO THAT THOSE FUCKING HIZBOLLA TERRORISTS ARE HIDING AND SHOOTING MISSILES FROM THOSE VILLAGES?!?!?!?!?! Those civillians let them shoot missles from their homes!!!!! I am not saying that they should die for that, but still, we only want to kill those terrorists and I guess that the missles that hit those civillians today wasn't aimed there anyway..
BUT YOU PEOPLE JUST CAN'T SEE THE POINT THAT THE HIZBOLLA IS USING THE CIVILLIANS AS HUMAN SHIELDS??? HOW CAN'T YOU SEE IT?!?!? What they are doing is a "crime against humanity"..
Yes and I really don't agree or happy with that mistake that happened today, it was a terrible thing..



if the hizbolla is in that village then how come none of them got killed ? I can believe that it is a mistake but I can't believe that they are bombing a town which contains lots of civillians to get one or two hizbolla warriors.
I can see hizbolla is using civillians as a human shield but I can't see reasons why that human shield should be totally destroyed (the 56 casualties) without hitting their target :confused:

[Matan_18]

if the hizbolla is in that village then how come none of them got killed ? I can believe that it is a mistake but I can't believe that they are bombing a town which contains lots of civillians to get one or two hizbolla warriors.
I can see hizbolla is using civillians as a human shield but I can't see reasons why that human shield should be totally destroyed (the 56 casualties) without hitting their target :confused:



Ok I know it's wasn't right.. it's a really big mistake and we're very sorry..
But yes, there are air views that show they do shoot from those towns and run away into the buildings!! there are pictures that show that!!

[cplayer]

:lol: you always seem to think I am upset NICK..... you have really bad insincts lol you're totally off the mark here...

give it up.. we know you are using multiple user names just to stir the pot here. Intentionally playing on the emotions of others on such a sensitive topic is definitely frowned upon here.... pick a username and a side and stick to it.

Let it be known people..... don't be fooled by this character... we all know that multiple users is also prohibted in this forum when used in a malicious manner... I would say this is one of them.
We're all watching you... we've been watching you... and now you've had your warning. There's no need to try and deny it.... we have all the proof we need.

thank you.. and good day.

:nice:


Who is Nick? Anyways i dont have to deal with you, you seem to not know how to treat new people. I can only hope one day you learn some manners. What proof do you have at such a audacious accusation? I came here and wanted to talk about current events, you seem want to make everything person and go on a wild goose chase. If this is how you try to debate politics, then i am truly sorry.

[berrywoman]

Who is Nick? Anyways i dont have to deal with you, you seem to not know how to treat new people. I can only hope one day you learn some manners. What proof do you have at such a audacious accusation? I came here and wanted to talk about current events, you seem want to make everything person and go on a wild goose chase. If this is how you try to debate politics, then i am truly sorry.


I really don't see where my manners have failed?? I've been nothing but nice to you since you first appeared on here posing as someone else. Now you decide to post under a psuedoname in a weak attempt to stir up emotions...

would you like me to embarass you here in a thread for all the board to see or would you prefer a pm from the admin?

[cplayer]

I really don't see where my manners have failed?? I've been nothing but nice to you since you first appeared on here posing as someone else. Now you decide to post under a psuedoname in a weak attempt to stir up emotions...

would you like me to embarass you here in a thread for all the board to see or would you prefer a pm from the admin?

Do as you wish. You can lie all you want, i came hear to debate but if you want to make things personal, then be my guest. I know what you are going to say though. This should be fun. But first of all, please inform me on who Nick is?

[berrywoman]

you've only replied to 'yourself' like 20x in this very thread lol the jokes on you... lol and I for one have been more than calm with you.. lol no one has anything bad to say about me... and if they do, then they're all as chicken shit as you because they can't be arsed into telling me how they really feel... so why bother??????


You are in direct violation of the forum rules.. I suggest you go to greater lengths to either mask your IP or use a proxy... which by the way would cause you an immediate ban.. :nice:

[cplayer]

you've only replied to 'yourself' like 20x in this very thread lol the jokes on you... lol and I for one have been more than calm with you.. lol no one has anything bad to say about me... and if they do, then they're all as chicken shit as you because they can't be arsed into telling me how they really feel... so why bother??????


You are in direct violation of the forum rules.. I suggest you go to greater lengths to either mask your IP or use a proxy... which by the way would cause you an immediate ban.. :nice:

Im not alowd to post from Ryans computer? Is the rule one username per computer? He was right about you.

[horizon]

If you give back all lands without Jerusalem they will keep fighting because Jerusalem have a special place in our hearts

for jews and christian is the same!

[cplayer]

If you give back all lands without Jerusalem they will keep fighting because Jerusalem have a special place in our hearts

You can give all the land back you want. It would make no difference.

[GazeboflossUK]

ISRAEL IS VERY SORRY FOR THOSE LEBANESE PEOPLE WHO DIED... yes we are sorry, we are not aiming on the civillians on purpose!!
And I can really understand the sorrow of the Lebanese people..they are very poor now..
but WHAT CAN WE DO THAT THOSE FUCKING HIZBOLLA TERRORISTS ARE HIDING AND SHOOTING MISSILES FROM THOSE VILLAGES?!?!?!?!?! Those civillians let them shoot missles from their homes!!!!! I am not saying that they should die for that, but still, we only want to kill those terrorists and I guess that the missles that hit those civillians today wasn't aimed there anyway..
BUT YOU PEOPLE JUST CAN'T SEE THE POINT THAT THE HIZBOLLA IS USING THE CIVILLIANS AS HUMAN SHIELDS??? HOW CAN'T YOU SEE IT?!?!? What they are doing is a "crime against humanity"..
Yes and I really don't agree or happy with that mistake that happened today, it was a terrible thing..

Hey, I'm sorry that my government is supporting Isreal.....your sorry about what Isreal has done today........I'm sure the Isreali people are mostly upset about this situation....but the fact is Olmert, Bush and Blair are not interested in making all out peace. They need fighting and destruction so that they have an excuse to go into these countries and take control - as well as eventually pulling Iran into this, one way or another.

The Isreali army have been far more guiltly of acts of "terrorism". And as I say it's the army and government....not the people of Isreal.

By simply called Hizbollah "terrorists" that you need to kill isn't looking at the situation correctly.

[cplayer]

Hey, I'm sorry that my government is supporting Isreal.....your sorry about what Isreal has done today........I'm sure the Isreali people are mostly upset about this situation....but the fact is Olmert, Bush and Blair are not interested in making all out peace. They need fighting and destruction so that they have an excuse to go into these countries and take control - as well as eventually pulling Iran into this, one way or another.

The Isreali army have been far more guiltly of acts of "terrorism". And as I say it's the army and government....not the people of Isreal.

By simply called Hizbollah "terrorists" that you need to kill isn't looking at the situation correctly.

I agree with you about most of that, but America had nothing to do with this, except they are making money by selling weapons. This was just a lucky break for the U.S. but for Israel this was a needed war that israel had not choice. As for Iraq and other wars they are money makers for the corrupt people in power.

[Matan_18]

Hey, I'm sorry that my government is supporting Isreal.....your sorry about what Isreal has done today........I'm sure the Isreali people are mostly upset about this situation....but the fact is Olmert, Bush and Blair are not interested in making all out peace. They need fighting and destruction so that they have an excuse to go into these countries and take control - as well as eventually pulling Iran into this, one way or another.

The Isreali army have been far more guiltly of acts of "terrorism". And as I say it's the army and government....not the people of Isreal.

By simply called Hizbollah "terrorists" that you need to kill isn't looking at the situation correctly.


I am not mad at you or anything, but how can you call the acts of Israel "terrorism"??? We attacked Lebanon in order to stop the shooting on the Israeli civillians.. it's not that we decided one day: "Hey, we're bored, let's go out for a war it should be fun..."
We do that only to defend our country, if we didn't do it, we wouldn't be here today or in the near future...

P.S. I am flying to Italy now, in a few hours from now, so I won't be here in the next 2 weeks!! hehe I guess you won't miss me too much..
Anyway I wish that war would be over soon and the hizbolla would stop shooting those missles on us!!(I wish they just would stop being an armed organization but that's a big wish)

[GazeboflossUK]

I am not mad at you or anything, but how can you call the acts of Israel "terrorism"??? We attacked Lebanon in order to stop the shooting on the Israeli civillians.. it's not that we decided one day: "Hey, we're bored, let's go out for a war it should be fun..."

I call Isreali government actions "terrorism" because I believe that this war isn't about just going after Hizbollah, it's a perfectly crafted pyscological operation in which the criminal elements within the American and UK governments have been instrumental in planning/sustaining.

I heard experts talk about this conflicts imminence weeks before it started. And I still can't believe people are still being told that this WHOLE thing started because of the capture of 2 soldiers.

[amsterdam528]

How isn't it terrorism? You're killing innocent Lebanese civilians (and children dammit) in hopes that you will force Hezbollah into submission. That is the very DEFINITION of terrorism.

Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion

http://m-w.com/dictionary/terrorism

[General Smut]

I call Isreali government actions "terrorism" because I believe that this war isn't about just going after Hizbollah, it's a perfectly crafted pyscological operation in which the criminal elements within the American and UK governments have been instrumental in planning/sustaining.

I heard experts talk about this conflicts imminence weeks before it started. And I still can't believe people are still being told that this WHOLE thing started because of the capture of 2 soldiers.

You've seen too many Hollywood movies.

you do realise that Hisbollah are firing rockets at Israel? And they started it? What do you think Israel is gonna do? Just sit on its arse?

Israel has special forces which make the SAS look like a bunch of pansy's. They could easily go in and rescue the soliders. FACT

What Israel wants however is for Hisbollah to stop firing rockets into Israel. And if Hisbollah dont stop then the Israeli's have a right as a soverign nation to defend itself. Hence their response. War creates innocent civillians deaths. Sad but true.

I see people are dying in Israel as well but no-ones cares. Why? Because Lebabon is where the media attention is.

[General Smut]

How isn't it terrorism? You're killing innocent Lebanese civilians (and children dammit) in hopes that you will force Hezbollah into submission. That is the very DEFINITION of terrorism.


http://m-w.com/dictionary/terrorism

So you expect Israel to do what? Do nothing while Hisbollah kidnap more soldiers and fire more rockets into Israel?

[bart]

I passed though a rally in Manchester on Saturday, some intresting people was there !

[bart]

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[green eyes88]

i figured what had happenned yesterday would bring the debate back up again here, I dont have time to read all of the replies but this is what i'll say.

I think israel is put in a very bad situation, because the only way to insure the end of this war, which is with a terror organization, is by killing the leaders of the organization.
Yesterday i was very very upset about what had happenned. It made me feel like our army are just killing them one by one and it did start to make me wonder. However, i talked with my friend's dad about it- because we all watched the news and started saying that it seems our army is just making one mistake after another. And he said that what they do is check the listings of all properties that are written under hizballa's name and attack them.
That's why we're put in a difficult situation- we dont know where the hizballa ppl are hiding, we only have speculations about their where abouts. And sadly, this is the only way to do it. That's one it was a very specific attack on the one building.
I believe that if the lebanonese ppl were abit more open to what was going on theyd realise that the hizballa are only making their life a living hell by hiding amongst them, and getting them into this war when they dont even have the right shelter to defend themselves. And instead of seeing that, the ppl there attacked the UN building and praised the hizballa. So maybe some eyes need to be opened.

Plus, the israeli air force admitted to attacking that building. However it only collpased 7 hours after the attack. That's why ppl say, and i'm not saying this is true but there is room to believe it, that there was an inside attack later that day by the hizballa to get lots of casualties and make the lebanonese ppl to be for this war, and to want the destruction of israel even more. If it seemed to have worked. When i watched the news yesterday all i saw was ppl shouting "Hizballa destoy Tel Aviv".

and this is what i think sucks on our side of this story. I think by this war we're just creating the next generation of arabs that hate us... however, i also see them hating us without any wars because they just want us out of here....

[green eyes88]

Yeah, I posted that on the last page.

Olmert said he needs another 16 days of attacks. Terrorist.

if u dont want ppl to think you're a bastard, refrain from comments like that. Israel made some bad decisions, but dont go saying we are terrorists. This is a democracy, that has to make quick vital decisions during war, and this is what happenned. Every military makes bad moves during war, it happens.

[green eyes88]

You've seen too many Hollywood movies.

you do realise that Hisbollah are firing rockets at Israel? And they started it? What do you think Israel is gonna do? Just sit on its arse?

Israel has special forces which make the SAS look like a bunch of pansy's. They could easily go in and rescue the soliders. FACT

What Israel wants however is for Hisbollah to stop firing rockets into Israel. And if Hisbollah dont stop then the Israeli's have a right as a soverign nation to defend itself. Hence their response. War creates innocent civillians deaths. Sad but true.

I see people are dying in Israel as well but no-ones cares. Why? Because Lebabon is where the media attention is.

THANK YOU

[green eyes88]

israel is bad gay in this mess. im a pacifist
im not saying that what lebanon does would be right but
i thin this on there side becouse israel attact to lebanon becouse usa has know a reason to attact iran and other contrys in midel east

this is a classic example of someone who comes in here without having any background information, posts one post with statements that have no basis just to make some ppl mad or upset and then leaves...

makes me sick...............

[bart]

After walking though Manchester this weekend and seeing both protests.... for and agasint this. and also reading the posts on this forum... You guys really believe you are right...

Firstly I am sorry if I have upset or offended anyone on here.
However in my defence.... my opinion on the whole affair is based on what I have seen in the news.... nothing else.

I used parts of the bible to use a explanation to advise in what's going on, however I will admit using parts of the bible to possibly what could be seen, as a wind up. However my entrants were based on what was written...

But to the people who see the Israeli stance as correct.. please check your news sources...
I was almost in tears when watching as a experiment both BBC NEWS 24 Vs Sky News... Same story told from a completely different angle... and your understanding and opinion of the stories would have been so different... and all I can say its most likely its News Corp...that could have helped you get the understanding you have got.
Its not you guys faults... its the people in charge... especially the media.... in my book it goes down as the ultimate crime to tell a story as a truth as you see it, even though its all fabricated, exaggerated in order to change others feelings and opinions on the issue

[huntjd]

it is true that different news stations present different sides. but how can one be so bouyed by the media? have we forgotten what the media is?
it is a business just like a supermarket or ebay. the buyer has a desire and the business delivers on that desire. news stations and newspapers are there to make money above all else. their stories are delivered for a certain group of people, who want a side of the story. yet many of us find that the media is the sole ocular proof for any current world issue. the fact is thats its just not. hey and i'm not being biased saying this. fox news it marketed to the capitalist, pro globalisation extreme right wing, while other news sources cater for the more left wing. we need to open our eyes more to see the true dynamics of the world however unfortunate it may be.
i say this is done by speaking to those on both sides who are affected and are actually a citizen of that country etc.
print is not enough to convince and is not the final say.... for either side

[berrywoman]

Home pages on clearerchannel -
http://clearerchannel.org/schnews/

Media RSS / video podcast link
http://clearerchannel.org/schnews/video.rss

Democracy player - good video podcast player and
channel guide- try it out!
http://www.getdemocracy.org

Schmovies home page
http://schnews.org.uk/schmovies

Help for using media rss to get good video content.
http://clearerchannel.org/wtfisrss.html


clearchannel ???!! The FCC has them in their back pocket!!!

[berrywoman]

Unfortunately.. thats the beauty of the media.. (as a former journalism major) --the media is all about sparkin the intrest of different people to make up their own minds.. there's never going to be 100% truth in a story because its all about perception...

the same can be said about what you read on forum such as this one.. its all perception.

[huntjd]

yeah i guess so. we were at a uni today for a biology excursion and once it finished we were able to walk around and explore the uni. one of the guys at my school in the year above me is israeli. and he went up to some of the people who were anti-israel and handing out flyers etc at uni. all he wanted was to talk and the minute he said he was israeli they told him to fuck off. hes anti war too. and they couldn't even talk to him on the issue. rather no opposition or mediation on the issue. it was really poor manners both as it is hypocritical. i just hope not all people are like that. it was really cruel. hes pro democracy and free speech and listens to both sides but when he just went to initiate a conversation he was told to procreate with himslef. just disgusting...

[berrywoman]

^ thats so messed up!!!

I've always listened to the 'other side' before I make up my mind.. how can people be so ignorant?

what was his response?

[GazeboflossUK]

That's the sad thing....people have to realise that it should not be an attack on the people. It's political agenda that is driving this.

I was at a big-ish (well, bigger than expected) S.T.W.C public demonstration outside Downing Street on friday afternoon where an Immediate Cease Fire petition was being handed to Government heads. Within the crowd I saw a few "Olmert does not speak for us" banners and some T-Shirts too.....people should understand that there are peace lovers on both sides......but it's just some people are pretty stupid and can't quite grasp this.

There were some Hizbollah flags that appeared after everyone had turned up and the chants were in full flow.....it was a bit suspicious as half the people with those flags (there were only about 6 of them) didn't seem to understand who Hizbollah were.
And we think we saw someone (agent provocateurs) sneak down the front and hand them to people who obviously had no clue and started waving them about. Everyone else just over powered them with "cease fire now!" shouting, which actually was started by my friend and I as it WAS a cease fire demo after all.

Also, we wanted to get the crowd to move away from the "DOWN, DOWN, ISREAL!!" chants beacuse although it wasn't being said in an 'anti-Isreali' tone, it did sometimes feel as if the thousands of people passing by might be getting the wrong idea. The "down. down, Isreal" chant was really a stab at Olmert so many people chose to focus on that aspect, rather than simply rubbing more dirt into the 'Isreali Peoples' name.

[huntjd]

yeah. and its unfortunate when some of these people are at the front of the sides who are like that
berrywoman (sorry i dunno ur first name), in regards to the story i'll tell u more about it tomorrow. i have to go to bed now. got a maths test first thing tomorrow.

[berrywoman]

yeah. and its unfortunate when some of these people are at the front of the sides who are like that
berrywoman (sorry i dunno ur first name), in regards to the story i'll tell u more about it tomorrow. i have to go to bed now. got a maths test first thing tomorrow.


sure thing.. oh and its Camille.. :nice: nite! x

[GazeboflossUK]

The Qana Massacre

You Tube | July 31 2006 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl3W_8Ya6RU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Finfowars%2Enet%2Farticles%2Fjuly 2006%2F310706Qana%2Ehtm)

Another ADE video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl3W_8Ya6RU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Finfowars%2Enet%2Farticles%2Fjuly 2006%2F310706Qana%2Ehtm) Please note: the video contains disturbing images of dead children.

Here are the victims of a war we are told was started by Hezbollah, despite the fact that it was Israeli soldiers who entered Lebanon illegally before they were captured. Israel's policy of deliberately targeting the weakest and most innocent members of humanity proves that they are desperately trying to provoke a major terrorist attack within Israel to justify their agenda to completely subjegate the middle east.

[amsterdam528]

So you expect Israel to do what? Do nothing while Hisbollah kidnap more soldiers and fire more rockets into Israel?

No, but you don't kill innocent children, dammit! How can this massacre sit well with you as an effort to stop Hezbollah? I'm sure none of the 37 or so who were killed had NOTHING to do with the war at all. What you do, I hate to say, is take out the fighters, not the civilians.

[Maldini]

whow ... olmert is sorry ... lets all forget about this and forgive the israelic army.


this is yet another sick assault like we always have in wars.:disappointed:


No,we will not forget it

[Maldini]

ISRAEL IS VERY SORRY FOR THOSE LEBANESE PEOPLE WHO DIED... yes we are sorry, we are not aiming on the civillians on purpose!!
And I can really understand the sorrow of the Lebanese people..they are very poor now..
but WHAT CAN WE DO THAT THOSE FUCKING HIZBOLLA TERRORISTS ARE HIDING AND SHOOTING MISSILES FROM THOSE VILLAGES?!?!?!?!?! Those civillians let them shoot missles from their homes!!!!! I am not saying that they should die for that, but still, we only want to kill those terrorists and I guess that the missles that hit those civillians today wasn't aimed there anyway..
BUT YOU PEOPLE JUST CAN'T SEE THE POINT THAT THE HIZBOLLA IS USING THE CIVILLIANS AS HUMAN SHIELDS??? HOW CAN'T YOU SEE IT?!?!? What they are doing is a "crime against humanity"..
Yes and I really don't agree or happy with that mistake that happened today, it was a terrible thing..

Really,Israel is verry sorry

It's up to them to feel sorry,but everyone know it was aiming even anyone said anything else


Hozbella didn't shoot or hide among the civilians they are not cowered as Israeli soldiers

The easiest thing to hide this crime [ just say '' there was terrorists in there'' ]

Shame

[Maldini]

Ok I know it's wasn't right.. it's a really big mistake and we're very sorry..
But yes, there are air views that show they do shoot from those towns and run away into the buildings!! there are pictures that show that!!


The easiest thing to hide the truth

[Maldini]

for jews and christian is the same!

Ofcurse,I know it